XMPP Council - 2010-06-14

Evening.

Thanks for the poke.

hi

Matt's on his way, and Remko's online.

And now Remko's on his way.

Sorry, had my head down in a release :)

Congrats, Matt.

Know what that feels like.

Well, betas anyway.

Full house!

hi all!

powerrr!

:)

Shiny new JID, Matt?

so, when're we upgrading xmpp:xmpp.org?

1) Roll call. All present.

I've been using this for some time, it depends which Gajim decides to use to join the a new MUC :)

2) Agenda bashing?

None here

I've poked Peter in case he'd like to join.

nodda

He doesn't seem to be about on his public account though, so I imagine he's head-down with something, and his presence isn't mandatory :)

I confess I've not reviewed much for Council today, and'll be voting on list.

3) XEP-0124: BOSH http://xmpp.org/extensions/tmp/xep-0124-1.10.html Diff: http://xmpp.org/extensions/diff/api/xep/0124/diff/1.9/vs/1.10rc1

Accept new version?

same here, i'll vote on list

I'll vote on list

+1

looks like it's just jabber.org -> example.com

and scram instead of DIGEST-MD5

+1

I see other changes.

But they seem to be wordsmithing.

4) XEP-0206: XMPP Over BOSH http://xmpp.org/extensions/tmp/xep-0206-1.3.html Diff: http://xmpp.org/extensions/diff/api/xep/0206/diff/1.2/vs/1.3rc1 Accept new version?

Hmm, there was meant to be a 'restartlogic' attribute somewhere, I don't see it

yeah, the changelog only mentions restartlogic stuff

Maybe next version :)

see section 4

The diff shows no changes in section 4

in 206

Whoops :P

they are just released together

+1 by the way

Matt, Remko, Fritzy?

list on this as well

dito

I'll go through it today.

I'd like to say I don't find 'restartlogic' an explanatory name, but +1

5) http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/sxe.html Accept as Experimental?

I have some notes on this

I need to read this again.

it's been awhile

I wonder why it doesn't establish a more generic p2p stream, like the xep we have for that

I need to read it again, but I looked at it not long ago

i ned to read it too, but i don't -1 against making it experimental

Has anyone mentioned Infinote: http://infinote.org/ ?

ralphm: Is that "I'm going to to -1 it and make comments" or "Ok, and I'll post comments", or "I'll postcoments and veto/notveto later"?

It seems like there's some duplication that may be going on here (perhaps that's not terrible)

I meant XEP-0246

no a strong +1

Though Infinote is geared towards just text documents, where-as I understand SXE is aiming above that

just wanted to get this out, before I forget

They just seem related

right -- any XML based document.

so it could be in the notes

I probably need to read up on operational transforms at some point.

sorry about that

Evening Peter.

Ok, so we'll wait for everyone's comments on list, apart from Ralph who's in favour.

I was so focused that I missed your IM

I'll read up on infinote and vote on list.

this space needs a solution, and making it a XEP enables people to go forward

SXE has been around for quite awhile.

I'm principally in favour, i jsut want to read it again.

and I get questions about this problem space a lot.

so you're definitely right, Ralph.

6) http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/moved.html Accept as Experimental.

Fritzy: I know, I'm pretty sure I voted in favour before ;-)

+1

+1

and wondering why it doesn't use the 'gone' xmpp stanza error

I remember reading this and having assorted comments. I'll write them up at some point.

ralphm: yeah I mentioned that to the author but he didn't add it yet

+1 in the meantime.

stpeter: cool

Well if we're happy it's going to be changed, +1

+1 + comments on list.

7) Date of next meeting.

Next Monday, 1600GMT as usual?

+1

+1

ehm

1800

1800UTC

ahem :)

wfm

ok

8) Any other business.

(BTW there is an implementation of SXE for whiteboarding on the iPad, developed by the new co-author of the spec)

What are we going to work on at the OSCON Summit?

There are other items on Radar that I need to chat with Peter about and see where we are with Council actions.

Fritzy: 'we'? :)

Fritzy: feel free to write the agenda

stpeter: does that mean that changes are difficult?

ralphm: no

I met Tom at the Anaheim IETF and he was quite flexible about fixes to the spec

nod

Fritzy: personally, I'm not sure about the value of a Summit if all we do is have interesting discussions (as at the last one) but nothing tangible comes out of it

so if we can have hackfests, interop, code sprints, or something other than bloviating I'd be all in favor :P

(and I'm the bloviator-in-chief so it's mostly my fault)

The last one? Didn't you have some of that in Belgium?

stpeter: you're welcome to get everyone coding with Swiften :)

Fritzy: I missed that first day

N900 day?

I'm not sure I'm going to make it

The thing about the summits, I find, is that the value is mostly in all the out-of-band stuff.

I'll save a seat for you, Ralph.

That can only happen because there's a summit.

but I sure would have enjoyed people staying around longer

ralphm: do you know about the microblogging summit the day before?

eh, no

plus this Summit is happening right before I need to fly to Europe for IETF 78

I'm a bit out of touch with stuff :-(

Anyway, I think we're treading out of 'Needs to be in Council' now.

maybe we could have an informal get-together in Maastricht

Kev: yepper

Anything else that needs doing before gavel-banging time?

stpeter: very much so

ralphm: I could request a room for an XMPP hackfest on Sunday before the IETF meeting really gets going

cool

Right, sounds like we're done with Council.

Kev: I think so.

Thanks all - I'll send around minutes tomorrow.

Fritzy: seat from .nl?

Thanks Kev

wow

A week off sounds lovely, and I only just had one :)

heh

Personal stuff and work has kept me from doing proper reviews :-(

Three betas in a fortnight has been hard work :)

my vacation time is piling up, no time to take it

I had to promise to take time off

:)

time to watch some soccer

heh

world cup time yet again

indeed

.nl vs .dk 2-0

today

yep

het oranje!

MattJ: hope the freebsd port gets an update soon

I'm going to install FreeBSD myself if needs be

It *shall* be fixed :)

haha

I've been thinking about sift a bit, for clients that don't support it directly, maybe having some kind of server setting for enabling it based on resource or some other means would be nice

(like my N900, presence seems to hammer the battery quite a bit)

MattJ: You found the BOSH leak then?

Fritzy, yep, that was quite amazing :)

ralphm: interesting.

It was about 4 issues combined to cause the same symptoms

love those!

ralphm: tried compiling Swift for it yet? :)

1 only occured when the user used Firefox, one only occured when Apache was used to proxy

Kev: I expected a package from you ;-)

1 was essentially random

I don't have a shiny n900 to test with :)

Those nasty Nokia people made me give it back.

MattJ: crazy... well, I'll run 0.7 through it's paces in production starting today.

Good luck :)

Kev: don't you need it for work?

It's made a record for having 1 minor bug during a 2+ week RC

ralphm: heh, that might be a hard sell :)

Kev: is Swift getting SCRAM?

Fritzy: Getting?

ah, it has it? very nice.

November 21st, says git log

commit 2c8bfd7c49bd16bebbf0b89c01fce7817afab74f Author: Remko Tronçon <git@el-tramo.be> Date: Sat Nov 21 01:59:21 2009 +0100 Implemented SCRAM-SHA-1 for real now.

Also of interest: http://www.nödåtgärd.se/non-scientific-jabber-client-test/

Yes.

heh, http://xmpp.org:5290/muc_log/muc.xmpp.org/council/100614/ doesn't think that URL is legit :)

:P