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Kev_
Wow, two members of Council here already.
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</sarcasm>
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MattJ
I got here before 19:00 ;)
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Kev_
Yes, me three.
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Give them until ten past, I guess.
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*nod*
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ralphm
*phew*
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Haha
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Kev_
Well done, with 30 seconds to spare.
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Kev_
Or, 60, rather.
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Kev_
Ok, ten past.
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Kev_
1) Roll call.
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Kev, Ralph, Matt present. Remko and Fritzy still AWOL.
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2) Agenda bashing.
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None
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Kev_
I only really wanted a meeting to get everyone back in reviewing specs after Remko and Fritzy dropped off the Council radar.
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3) Pubsub
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What's to discuss?
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The only thing holding this up now is Ralph approving Peter's rollbacks, I think.
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Besides, I've changed my mind, I like pubsub now
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So Ralph - can you check them and let Peter know, please?
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4) Voting.
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And, the people this applies to aren't here.
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I wanted to remind people that the reviewing and voting is the reason we've got a Council, and failing to do that isn't helping.
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ralphm
yeah
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Kev_
Dave stepped down because he wasn't managing to hit the meetings, and was having to vote on-list.
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Kev_
It's entirely inappropriate for the other of Council to not attend meetings *and* not vote on list.
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But hi Choir.
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5) Date of next meeting.
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Kev_
Next Monday as usual?
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ralphm
Kev_: did stpeter announce the changes yet, or are they just in vcs?
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MattJ
+1
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Kev_
There's a small chance I'll be unavailable, will update if so.
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MattJ
ok
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Kev_
ralphm: I do not know - could you coordinate with him, please?
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Kev_
I suspect that once you're generally ok with the changes there'll need to be another vote.
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ralphm
ah: "FYI. Ralph, this is for you. :)"
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ralphm
in the pubsub list
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ralphm
missed that :-)
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Kev_
But it seems pointless to go through another vote for everyone if the changes weren't what you wanted.
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So, AOB?
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ralphm
Kev_: seeing the summary, I'm ok with it then
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MattJ
I was going to mention that I'm working on a replacement/successor series of XEPs to 136
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Ok, I'll speak to Peter and arrange a new vote.
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MattJ: excellent.
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But that's all for now
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ralphm
we can quibble about details, but the document is never static
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Kev_
But we've discussed that offlist anyway :)
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Kev_
I think we're all done then.
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Kev_
Thanks to those who turned up.
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MattJ
np, thanks for chairing as usual :)
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Kev_
bangs the gavel.
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ralphm
MattJ: oh, that sounds painful. The amount of discussion on XEP-0136 is uncountable, it seems
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Kev_
I'll write minutes and send around - possibly tomorrow.
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MattJ
ralphm, the problem precisely :)
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ralphm
Although it'll probably never beat XEP-0060
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ralphm
:-P
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MattJ
ralphm, but it turns out the only active client implementation is using one feature of the XEP, and that's about it :)
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Kev_
I would like to use the successor in Swift.
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As long as it's modular and sane.
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MattJ
I'll try not to let you down :)
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Kev_
I don't object to all the 136 options existing - only to having them all in one place, and some of them being such a silly way of doing them.
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Anyway, I'm off out, bibi.
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See you
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ralphm
MattJ: that is sad
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ralphm, indeed
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MattJ
This only came to light to me because of the student implementing it in Prosody for GSoC
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MattJ
Some of the design decisions I still can't fathom
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ralphm
I'm going to try keep 'features' out of any spec if there isn't a high probability of it being implemented
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ralphm
i.e. let implementations drive specifications more
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MattJ
Yes, agreed
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MattJ
Put out a basic spec, see what direction it gets pushed in (if any)
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ralphm
implementations == experiments, really
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MattJ
Indeed
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MattJ
and to be fair this is usually what the XSF does very well
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It just happens that there are some specs that really take everyone's fancy, and end up a dog's dinner
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ralphm
haha
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Kev
ralphm: I think it's more thn "If it's not needed, don't put it in"
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I think it's "If it's possible to implement without it, don't put it in", and then put it in another spec.
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No-one dislikes small specs.
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ralphm
Kev: right
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