XMPP Council - 2010-12-08

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  14. Kev Evening.
  15. Kev Two people here on time today.
  16. Kev Pretty impressive.
  17. MattJ :)
  18. Kev What's MM's JID?
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  20. MattJ linuxwolf on outer-planes.net
  21. Kev Ta
  22. MattJ "Away since 15:59:06" :)
  23. Kev Fritzy did mention trouble with the house a day or two ago, although I didn't think that was intended to be apologies for Council. Maybe it was.
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  25. linuxwolf HERE!
  26. MattJ Yay!
  27. linuxwolf /whew
  28. Kev Well, no sign of Fritzy or Ralph.
  29. Kev Oh, this does make me wonder about something, I'll AOB it.
  30. Kev 1) Roll call
  31. dwd rolls.
  32. Kev Matt & Matt & Kev. I'm not sure if Fritzy intended to apologise or not. Ralph hasn't.
  33. Kev 2) Agenda bashing.
  34. Kev I'll add something about minutes to the end.
  35. linuxwolf thinks of Newhart
  36. MattJ No bashing
  37. linuxwolf I've got nothing to add or object to this week
  38. Kev 3) http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/remote-auth.html Accept as XEP?
  39. MattJ +1
  40. linuxwolf I guess
  41. Kev Despite some quite active discussion on the list, I don't see a reason to block this for the moment.
  42. linuxwolf agreed
  43. linuxwolf +1 on accepting, but I doubt it actually solving a problem
  44. linuxwolf IMO
  45. Kev Right.
  46. Kev 4) Interop report (Kev)
  47. Kev So, we've got the server interop event this week.
  48. Kev M-Link, Ejabberd, Prosody, Tigase and Psyched are participating on the server side, things are underway, we're doing basic today, TLS tomorrow, and TLS with cert checking Friday.
  49. Kev I've put up some basic test plan, am vaguely overseeing (I'm avoiding being the Isode contact so I can keep my XSF hat on), and I'll write up an informal report at the end of the week.
  50. Kev Not much to say other than that.
  51. Kev 5) bis report (Peter)
  52. Kev Except stpeter seems to be DND.
  53. dwd My amazing psychic powers tell me he's on the phone.
  54. linuxwolf goes around corner to see if he's in office
  55. Kev Quite.
  56. Kev 6) e2e report (Peter)
  57. Kev Also problematic without Peter.
  58. Kev So let's jump to my extra point
  59. mlundblad dwd: my amazing contact list tells me he's "on the phone"
  60. mlundblad :)
  61. linuxwolf stpeter must be working form home…so no way to ping him
  62. Kev 7) Minutes of Council attendance.
  63. linuxwolf s/ping/poke
  64. stpeter hmm
  65. MattJ linuxwolf, could give him a call... oh
  66. dwd linuxwolf, Yeah, working from home, we all know what that means.
  67. linuxwolf "A wild stpeter appears!"
  68. stpeter stupid calendar didn't pop up a reminder
  69. Kev I don't intend to be a bastard about it, but I keep writing minutes saying "X wuz ere" in the Roll call, when X didn't turn up until Council was about to end.
  70. Kev As these are supposed to be a record of what actually happens, I think they should probably indicate this.
  71. linuxwolf Kev: 10 minute rule
  72. Kev So I'm inclined to start saying "Here, not here, late"
  73. MattJ Fine by me, that also occurred in my mind when reading the last minutes
  74. Kev linuxwolf: Is that as an alternative to what I propose?
  75. Kev It wasn't that I want to start being a bastard about anyone 30 seconds late.
  76. linuxwolf Kev: yes…from my college days…if you're more than 10 minutes late, you're "not here"
  77. dwd I would also note that for members who actually care about who they vote for, having an accurate account of who turns up to meetings, and who votes (and when!) is a useful metric.
  78. Kev dwd: I'm not convinced by 'and when', any more.
  79. linuxwolf which impacted your ability to access the lab compueters
  80. Kev Given that we now have a standard voting period, and we stick to it.
  81. stpeter anyway, about e2e I've talked with the OTR guys about potentially documenting their stuff in an RFC (probably informational), we'll see where that leads
  82. Kev linuxwolf: Which is ok, except that 10 minutes late is 33% of the longest Council meeting :)
  83. MattJ +1 - I might vote late because I want to give the specs more careful review, etc.
  84. stpeter scrolls up
  85. linuxwolf Kev: 5 minutes late?
  86. linuxwolf (-:
  87. dwd MattJ, Yes, that seems reasonable. Not voting at all is less than helpful, though, speaking as a spec author (on occasion).
  88. MattJ Agreed
  89. linuxwolf /nod
  90. Kev linuxwolf: I was going to go by the "If someone's late, they're marked late", and "If someone's not here by the time I gavel-bang, they're Not Here"
  91. Kev So I'll go with this method in future minutes unless someone fiercely objects.
  92. linuxwolf Kev: either works for me…depends on how heavy-handed we want to be
  93. Kev I don't overly intend to be heavy-handed, and needing to poke someone because they forgot, and turn up 30seconds later isn't the point.
  94. linuxwolf Kev: you're the Chair, afterall (-:
  95. Kev goes to read up for stpeter's comment.
  96. Kev Ok, so that was the e2e report - bis, stpeter?
  97. stpeter the bis docs are getting closer every day, damn IESG members :)
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  99. stpeter still waiting for further feedback from the general area review team reviewer
  100. dwd I admit I'm probably not exactly helping by nitpicking on bits I re-review. :-/
  101. Kev Enough of a report for me :)
  102. Kev Date of next meeting?
  103. linuxwolf dwd: are you admitting to being a troll? (-:
  104. stpeter it's on the agenda for next Thursday again (IESG telechat)
  105. Kev I'm inclined at this point to suggest 'first Wed in Jan', and skip the holiday season, but could be talked into other things.
  106. dwd linuxwolf, No, I just happen to *like* living under this bridge.
  107. dwd Kev, Might be useful to have one next week to review this week's interop.
  108. linuxwolf agreed
  109. stpeter yeah, interop review would be good
  110. Kev I can do next week, as long as my Isode overlords keep me out of meetings despite being in the office.
  111. linuxwolf (with dwd, oddly enough)
  112. stpeter I tried to ping those Cisco people to participate ;-)
  113. MattJ stpeter, do we have any reliable 3rd-party opinions of OTR's suitability for XMPP?
  114. MattJ Next week is fine
  115. linuxwolf keeps his XSF hat on
  116. stpeter MattJ: not really
  117. linuxwolf MattJ: I have comments, but have kept them to myself so far (-:
  118. linuxwolf I should stop doing that
  119. Kev Ok, so next week, usual time?
  120. stpeter MattJ: first we'd do an informational draft and then try standards-track, I think
  121. linuxwolf +1
  122. dwd Kev, I'd forgotten about our little roadtrip.
  123. MattJ stpeter, ok, I can't wait :)
  124. Kev dwd: I was taking your proposal to be an assurance that you'd keep me out of meetings for that time :)
  125. Kev 8) Any other business?
  126. linuxwolf none from me
  127. dwd Kev, WHat, I'm an overlord now? Cool.
  128. MattJ Ditto
  129. Kev dwd: No, Steve's the overlord, you're just responsible for keeping him away next Wednesday afternoon at 4 :)
  130. Kev In any case.
  131. Kev Lacking AOB, fini.
  132. Kev Thanks all.
  133. linuxwolf grazie
  134. Kev I'll send out minutes sometime soon (usually tomorrow).
  135. Kev bangs the gavel
  136. linuxwolf waves
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  157. stpeter hmm, I see nothing about the next meeting?
  158. stpeter scrolls up
  159. Kev Next Wed, usual time.
  160. Kev It was discussed.
  161. stpeter sorry, I missed it
  162. stpeter was on the phone with my mom at the time so a bit distracted
  163. Kev Forgiven.
  164. Kev Now, sleep.
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