XMPP Council - 2010-12-08

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16:02:12 Kev Evening.
16:02:18 Kev Two people here on time today.
16:02:27 Kev Pretty impressive.
16:02:32 MattJ :)
16:03:00 Kev What's MM's JID?
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16:04:07 MattJ linuxwolf on outer-planes.net
16:04:57 Kev Ta
16:05:40 MattJ "Away since 15:59:06" :)
16:06:02 Kev Fritzy did mention trouble with the house a day or two ago, although I didn't think that was intended to be apologies for Council. Maybe it was.
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16:06:18 linuxwolf HERE!
16:06:23 MattJ Yay!
16:06:29 linuxwolf /whew
16:06:40 Kev Well, no sign of Fritzy or Ralph.
16:07:08 Kev Oh, this does make me wonder about something, I'll AOB it.
16:07:19 Kev 1) Roll call
16:07:30 dwd rolls.
16:07:41 Kev Matt & Matt & Kev. I'm not sure if Fritzy intended to apologise or not. Ralph hasn't.
16:07:49 Kev 2) Agenda bashing.
16:07:55 Kev I'll add something about minutes to the end.
16:07:56 linuxwolf thinks of Newhart
16:08:23 MattJ No bashing
16:08:25 linuxwolf I've got nothing to add or object to this week
16:08:53 Kev 3) http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/remote-auth.html Accept as XEP?
16:09:11 MattJ +1
16:09:13 linuxwolf I guess
16:09:29 Kev Despite some quite active discussion on the list, I don't see a reason to block this for the moment.
16:09:36 linuxwolf agreed
16:09:51 linuxwolf +1 on accepting, but I doubt it actually solving a problem
16:10:06 linuxwolf IMO
16:10:24 Kev Right.
16:10:37 Kev 4) Interop report (Kev)
16:10:44 Kev So, we've got the server interop event this week.
16:11:25 Kev M-Link, Ejabberd, Prosody, Tigase and Psyched are participating on the server side, things are underway, we're doing basic today, TLS tomorrow, and TLS with cert checking Friday.
16:12:09 Kev I've put up some basic test plan, am vaguely overseeing (I'm avoiding being the Isode contact so I can keep my XSF hat on), and I'll write up an informal report at the end of the week.
16:12:16 Kev Not much to say other than that.
16:12:24 Kev 5) bis report (Peter)
16:12:34 Kev Except stpeter seems to be DND.
16:13:04 dwd My amazing psychic powers tell me he's on the phone.
16:13:08 linuxwolf goes around corner to see if he's in office
16:13:09 Kev Quite.
16:13:17 Kev 6) e2e report (Peter)
16:13:23 Kev Also problematic without Peter.
16:13:28 Kev So let's jump to my extra point
16:13:47 mlundblad dwd: my amazing contact list tells me he's "on the phone"
16:13:49 mlundblad :)
16:13:50 linuxwolf stpeter must be working form home…so no way to ping him
16:13:58 Kev 7) Minutes of Council attendance.
16:14:01 linuxwolf s/ping/poke
16:14:06 stpeter hmm
16:14:07 MattJ linuxwolf, could give him a call... oh
16:14:09 dwd linuxwolf, Yeah, working from home, we all know what that means.
16:14:26 linuxwolf "A wild stpeter appears!"
16:14:34 stpeter stupid calendar didn't pop up a reminder
16:14:38 Kev I don't intend to be a bastard about it, but I keep writing minutes saying "X wuz ere" in the Roll call, when X didn't turn up until Council was about to end.
16:14:54 Kev As these are supposed to be a record of what actually happens, I think they should probably indicate this.
16:14:54 linuxwolf Kev: 10 minute rule
16:15:03 Kev So I'm inclined to start saying "Here, not here, late"
16:15:19 MattJ Fine by me, that also occurred in my mind when reading the last minutes
16:15:32 Kev linuxwolf: Is that as an alternative to what I propose?
16:15:48 Kev It wasn't that I want to start being a bastard about anyone 30 seconds late.
16:15:58 linuxwolf Kev: yes…from my college days…if you're more than 10 minutes late, you're "not here"
16:16:00 dwd I would also note that for members who actually care about who they vote for, having an accurate account of who turns up to meetings, and who votes (and when!) is a useful metric.
16:16:24 Kev dwd: I'm not convinced by 'and when', any more.
16:16:26 linuxwolf which impacted your ability to access the lab compueters
16:16:33 Kev Given that we now have a standard voting period, and we stick to it.
16:16:39 stpeter anyway, about e2e I've talked with the OTR guys about potentially documenting their stuff in an RFC (probably informational), we'll see where that leads
16:16:59 Kev linuxwolf: Which is ok, except that 10 minutes late is 33% of the longest Council meeting :)
16:17:00 MattJ +1 - I might vote late because I want to give the specs more careful review, etc.
16:17:21 stpeter scrolls up
16:17:22 linuxwolf Kev: 5 minutes late?
16:17:24 linuxwolf (-:
16:17:49 dwd MattJ, Yes, that seems reasonable. Not voting at all is less than helpful, though, speaking as a spec author (on occasion).
16:17:56 MattJ Agreed
16:17:58 linuxwolf /nod
16:18:09 Kev linuxwolf: I was going to go by the "If someone's late, they're marked late", and "If someone's not here by the time I gavel-bang, they're Not Here"
16:18:22 Kev So I'll go with this method in future minutes unless someone fiercely objects.
16:18:32 linuxwolf Kev: either works for me…depends on how heavy-handed we want to be
16:18:58 Kev I don't overly intend to be heavy-handed, and needing to poke someone because they forgot, and turn up 30seconds later isn't the point.
16:18:59 linuxwolf Kev: you're the Chair, afterall (-:
16:19:18 Kev goes to read up for stpeter's comment.
16:19:36 Kev Ok, so that was the e2e report - bis, stpeter?
16:19:58 stpeter the bis docs are getting closer every day, damn IESG members :)
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16:20:24 stpeter still waiting for further feedback from the general area review team reviewer
16:20:31 dwd I admit I'm probably not exactly helping by nitpicking on bits I re-review. :-/
16:20:33 Kev Enough of a report for me :)
16:20:47 Kev Date of next meeting?
16:20:53 linuxwolf dwd: are you admitting to being a troll? (-:
16:20:57 stpeter it's on the agenda for next Thursday again (IESG telechat)
16:21:07 Kev I'm inclined at this point to suggest 'first Wed in Jan', and skip the holiday season, but could be talked into other things.
16:21:11 dwd linuxwolf, No, I just happen to *like* living under this bridge.
16:21:40 dwd Kev, Might be useful to have one next week to review this week's interop.
16:22:00 linuxwolf agreed
16:22:03 stpeter yeah, interop review would be good
16:22:04 Kev I can do next week, as long as my Isode overlords keep me out of meetings despite being in the office.
16:22:07 linuxwolf (with dwd, oddly enough)
16:22:13 stpeter I tried to ping those Cisco people to participate ;-)
16:22:16 MattJ stpeter, do we have any reliable 3rd-party opinions of OTR's suitability for XMPP?
16:22:22 MattJ Next week is fine
16:22:23 linuxwolf keeps his XSF hat on
16:22:47 stpeter MattJ: not really
16:22:59 linuxwolf MattJ: I have comments, but have kept them to myself so far (-:
16:23:02 linuxwolf I should stop doing that
16:23:09 Kev Ok, so next week, usual time?
16:23:12 stpeter MattJ: first we'd do an informational draft and then try standards-track, I think
16:23:12 linuxwolf +1
16:23:23 dwd Kev, I'd forgotten about our little roadtrip.
16:23:41 MattJ stpeter, ok, I can't wait :)
16:23:45 Kev dwd: I was taking your proposal to be an assurance that you'd keep me out of meetings for that time :)
16:24:03 Kev 8) Any other business?
16:24:25 linuxwolf none from me
16:24:30 dwd Kev, WHat, I'm an overlord now? Cool.
16:24:30 MattJ Ditto
16:24:51 Kev dwd: No, Steve's the overlord, you're just responsible for keeping him away next Wednesday afternoon at 4 :)
16:25:07 Kev In any case.
16:25:15 Kev Lacking AOB, fini.
16:25:19 Kev Thanks all.
16:25:26 linuxwolf grazie
16:25:32 Kev I'll send out minutes sometime soon (usually tomorrow).
16:25:35 Kev bangs the gavel
16:25:43 linuxwolf waves
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23:44:56 stpeter hmm, I see nothing about the next meeting?
23:44:59 stpeter scrolls up
23:45:19 Kev Next Wed, usual time.
23:45:21 Kev It was discussed.
23:45:26 stpeter sorry, I missed it
23:45:36 stpeter was on the phone with my mom at the time so a bit distracted
23:47:04 Kev Forgiven.
23:47:55 Kev Now, sleep.
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