XMPP Council - 2010-12-08

Evening.

Two people here on time today.

Pretty impressive.

:)

What's MM's JID?

linuxwolf on outer-planes.net

Ta

"Away since 15:59:06" :)

Fritzy did mention trouble with the house a day or two ago, although I didn't think that was intended to be apologies for Council. Maybe it was.

HERE!

Yay!

/whew

Well, no sign of Fritzy or Ralph.

Oh, this does make me wonder about something, I'll AOB it.

1) Roll call

Matt & Matt & Kev. I'm not sure if Fritzy intended to apologise or not. Ralph hasn't.

2) Agenda bashing.

I'll add something about minutes to the end.

No bashing

I've got nothing to add or object to this week

3) http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/remote-auth.html Accept as XEP?

+1

I guess

Despite some quite active discussion on the list, I don't see a reason to block this for the moment.

agreed

+1 on accepting, but I doubt it actually solving a problem

IMO

Right.

4) Interop report (Kev)

So, we've got the server interop event this week.

M-Link, Ejabberd, Prosody, Tigase and Psyched are participating on the server side, things are underway, we're doing basic today, TLS tomorrow, and TLS with cert checking Friday.

I've put up some basic test plan, am vaguely overseeing (I'm avoiding being the Isode contact so I can keep my XSF hat on), and I'll write up an informal report at the end of the week.

Not much to say other than that.

5) bis report (Peter)

Except stpeter seems to be DND.

My amazing psychic powers tell me he's on the phone.

Quite.

6) e2e report (Peter)

Also problematic without Peter.

So let's jump to my extra point

dwd: my amazing contact list tells me he's "on the phone"

:)

stpeter must be working form home…so no way to ping him

7) Minutes of Council attendance.

s/ping/poke

hmm

linuxwolf, could give him a call... oh

linuxwolf, Yeah, working from home, we all know what that means.

"A wild stpeter appears!"

stupid calendar didn't pop up a reminder

I don't intend to be a bastard about it, but I keep writing minutes saying "X wuz ere" in the Roll call, when X didn't turn up until Council was about to end.

As these are supposed to be a record of what actually happens, I think they should probably indicate this.

Kev: 10 minute rule

So I'm inclined to start saying "Here, not here, late"

Fine by me, that also occurred in my mind when reading the last minutes

linuxwolf: Is that as an alternative to what I propose?

It wasn't that I want to start being a bastard about anyone 30 seconds late.

Kev: yes…from my college days…if you're more than 10 minutes late, you're "not here"

I would also note that for members who actually care about who they vote for, having an accurate account of who turns up to meetings, and who votes (and when!) is a useful metric.

dwd: I'm not convinced by 'and when', any more.

which impacted your ability to access the lab compueters

Given that we now have a standard voting period, and we stick to it.

anyway, about e2e I've talked with the OTR guys about potentially documenting their stuff in an RFC (probably informational), we'll see where that leads

linuxwolf: Which is ok, except that 10 minutes late is 33% of the longest Council meeting :)

+1 - I might vote late because I want to give the specs more careful review, etc.

Kev: 5 minutes late?

(-:

MattJ, Yes, that seems reasonable. Not voting at all is less than helpful, though, speaking as a spec author (on occasion).

Agreed

/nod

linuxwolf: I was going to go by the "If someone's late, they're marked late", and "If someone's not here by the time I gavel-bang, they're Not Here"

So I'll go with this method in future minutes unless someone fiercely objects.

Kev: either works for me…depends on how heavy-handed we want to be

I don't overly intend to be heavy-handed, and needing to poke someone because they forgot, and turn up 30seconds later isn't the point.

Kev: you're the Chair, afterall (-:

Ok, so that was the e2e report - bis, stpeter?

the bis docs are getting closer every day, damn IESG members :)

still waiting for further feedback from the general area review team reviewer

I admit I'm probably not exactly helping by nitpicking on bits I re-review. :-/

Enough of a report for me :)

Date of next meeting?

dwd: are you admitting to being a troll? (-:

it's on the agenda for next Thursday again (IESG telechat)

I'm inclined at this point to suggest 'first Wed in Jan', and skip the holiday season, but could be talked into other things.

linuxwolf, No, I just happen to *like* living under this bridge.

Kev, Might be useful to have one next week to review this week's interop.

agreed

yeah, interop review would be good

I can do next week, as long as my Isode overlords keep me out of meetings despite being in the office.

(with dwd, oddly enough)

I tried to ping those Cisco people to participate ;-)

stpeter, do we have any reliable 3rd-party opinions of OTR's suitability for XMPP?

Next week is fine

MattJ: not really

MattJ: I have comments, but have kept them to myself so far (-:

I should stop doing that

Ok, so next week, usual time?

MattJ: first we'd do an informational draft and then try standards-track, I think

+1

Kev, I'd forgotten about our little roadtrip.

stpeter, ok, I can't wait :)

dwd: I was taking your proposal to be an assurance that you'd keep me out of meetings for that time :)

8) Any other business?

none from me

Kev, WHat, I'm an overlord now? Cool.

Ditto

dwd: No, Steve's the overlord, you're just responsible for keeping him away next Wednesday afternoon at 4 :)

In any case.

Lacking AOB, fini.

Thanks all.

grazie

I'll send out minutes sometime soon (usually tomorrow).

Pft, missed the meeting again.

hmm, I see nothing about the next meeting?

Next Wed, usual time.

It was discussed.

sorry, I missed it

was on the phone with my mom at the time so a bit distracted

Forgiven.

Now, sleep.