XMPP Council - 2010-12-08

  1. Kev


  2. Kev

    Two people here on time today.

  3. Kev

    Pretty impressive.

  4. MattJ


  5. Kev

    What's MM's JID?

  6. MattJ

    linuxwolf on outer-planes.net

  7. Kev


  8. MattJ

    "Away since 15:59:06" :)

  9. Kev

    Fritzy did mention trouble with the house a day or two ago, although I didn't think that was intended to be apologies for Council. Maybe it was.

  10. linuxwolf


  11. MattJ


  12. linuxwolf


  13. Kev

    Well, no sign of Fritzy or Ralph.

  14. Kev

    Oh, this does make me wonder about something, I'll AOB it.

  15. Kev

    1) Roll call

  16. dwd rolls.

  17. Kev

    Matt & Matt & Kev. I'm not sure if Fritzy intended to apologise or not. Ralph hasn't.

  18. Kev

    2) Agenda bashing.

  19. Kev

    I'll add something about minutes to the end.

  20. linuxwolf thinks of Newhart

  21. MattJ

    No bashing

  22. linuxwolf

    I've got nothing to add or object to this week

  23. Kev

    3) http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/remote-auth.html Accept as XEP?

  24. MattJ


  25. linuxwolf

    I guess

  26. Kev

    Despite some quite active discussion on the list, I don't see a reason to block this for the moment.

  27. linuxwolf


  28. linuxwolf

    +1 on accepting, but I doubt it actually solving a problem

  29. linuxwolf


  30. Kev


  31. Kev

    4) Interop report (Kev)

  32. Kev

    So, we've got the server interop event this week.

  33. Kev

    M-Link, Ejabberd, Prosody, Tigase and Psyched are participating on the server side, things are underway, we're doing basic today, TLS tomorrow, and TLS with cert checking Friday.

  34. Kev

    I've put up some basic test plan, am vaguely overseeing (I'm avoiding being the Isode contact so I can keep my XSF hat on), and I'll write up an informal report at the end of the week.

  35. Kev

    Not much to say other than that.

  36. Kev

    5) bis report (Peter)

  37. Kev

    Except stpeter seems to be DND.

  38. dwd

    My amazing psychic powers tell me he's on the phone.

  39. linuxwolf goes around corner to see if he's in office

  40. Kev


  41. Kev

    6) e2e report (Peter)

  42. Kev

    Also problematic without Peter.

  43. Kev

    So let's jump to my extra point

  44. mlundblad

    dwd: my amazing contact list tells me he's "on the phone"

  45. mlundblad


  46. linuxwolf

    stpeter must be working form home…so no way to ping him

  47. Kev

    7) Minutes of Council attendance.

  48. linuxwolf


  49. stpeter


  50. MattJ

    linuxwolf, could give him a call... oh

  51. dwd

    linuxwolf, Yeah, working from home, we all know what that means.

  52. linuxwolf

    "A wild stpeter appears!"

  53. stpeter

    stupid calendar didn't pop up a reminder

  54. Kev

    I don't intend to be a bastard about it, but I keep writing minutes saying "X wuz ere" in the Roll call, when X didn't turn up until Council was about to end.

  55. Kev

    As these are supposed to be a record of what actually happens, I think they should probably indicate this.

  56. linuxwolf

    Kev: 10 minute rule

  57. Kev

    So I'm inclined to start saying "Here, not here, late"

  58. MattJ

    Fine by me, that also occurred in my mind when reading the last minutes

  59. Kev

    linuxwolf: Is that as an alternative to what I propose?

  60. Kev

    It wasn't that I want to start being a bastard about anyone 30 seconds late.

  61. linuxwolf

    Kev: yes…from my college days…if you're more than 10 minutes late, you're "not here"

  62. dwd

    I would also note that for members who actually care about who they vote for, having an accurate account of who turns up to meetings, and who votes (and when!) is a useful metric.

  63. Kev

    dwd: I'm not convinced by 'and when', any more.

  64. linuxwolf

    which impacted your ability to access the lab compueters

  65. Kev

    Given that we now have a standard voting period, and we stick to it.

  66. stpeter

    anyway, about e2e I've talked with the OTR guys about potentially documenting their stuff in an RFC (probably informational), we'll see where that leads

  67. Kev

    linuxwolf: Which is ok, except that 10 minutes late is 33% of the longest Council meeting :)

  68. MattJ

    +1 - I might vote late because I want to give the specs more careful review, etc.

  69. stpeter scrolls up

  70. linuxwolf

    Kev: 5 minutes late?

  71. linuxwolf


  72. dwd

    MattJ, Yes, that seems reasonable. Not voting at all is less than helpful, though, speaking as a spec author (on occasion).

  73. MattJ


  74. linuxwolf


  75. Kev

    linuxwolf: I was going to go by the "If someone's late, they're marked late", and "If someone's not here by the time I gavel-bang, they're Not Here"

  76. Kev

    So I'll go with this method in future minutes unless someone fiercely objects.

  77. linuxwolf

    Kev: either works for me…depends on how heavy-handed we want to be

  78. Kev

    I don't overly intend to be heavy-handed, and needing to poke someone because they forgot, and turn up 30seconds later isn't the point.

  79. linuxwolf

    Kev: you're the Chair, afterall (-:

  80. Kev goes to read up for stpeter's comment.

  81. Kev

    Ok, so that was the e2e report - bis, stpeter?

  82. stpeter

    the bis docs are getting closer every day, damn IESG members :)

  83. stpeter

    still waiting for further feedback from the general area review team reviewer

  84. dwd

    I admit I'm probably not exactly helping by nitpicking on bits I re-review. :-/

  85. Kev

    Enough of a report for me :)

  86. Kev

    Date of next meeting?

  87. linuxwolf

    dwd: are you admitting to being a troll? (-:

  88. stpeter

    it's on the agenda for next Thursday again (IESG telechat)

  89. Kev

    I'm inclined at this point to suggest 'first Wed in Jan', and skip the holiday season, but could be talked into other things.

  90. dwd

    linuxwolf, No, I just happen to *like* living under this bridge.

  91. dwd

    Kev, Might be useful to have one next week to review this week's interop.

  92. linuxwolf


  93. stpeter

    yeah, interop review would be good

  94. Kev

    I can do next week, as long as my Isode overlords keep me out of meetings despite being in the office.

  95. linuxwolf

    (with dwd, oddly enough)

  96. stpeter

    I tried to ping those Cisco people to participate ;-)

  97. MattJ

    stpeter, do we have any reliable 3rd-party opinions of OTR's suitability for XMPP?

  98. MattJ

    Next week is fine

  99. linuxwolf keeps his XSF hat on

  100. stpeter

    MattJ: not really

  101. linuxwolf

    MattJ: I have comments, but have kept them to myself so far (-:

  102. linuxwolf

    I should stop doing that

  103. Kev

    Ok, so next week, usual time?

  104. stpeter

    MattJ: first we'd do an informational draft and then try standards-track, I think

  105. linuxwolf


  106. dwd

    Kev, I'd forgotten about our little roadtrip.

  107. MattJ

    stpeter, ok, I can't wait :)

  108. Kev

    dwd: I was taking your proposal to be an assurance that you'd keep me out of meetings for that time :)

  109. Kev

    8) Any other business?

  110. linuxwolf

    none from me

  111. dwd

    Kev, WHat, I'm an overlord now? Cool.

  112. MattJ


  113. Kev

    dwd: No, Steve's the overlord, you're just responsible for keeping him away next Wednesday afternoon at 4 :)

  114. Kev

    In any case.

  115. Kev

    Lacking AOB, fini.

  116. Kev

    Thanks all.

  117. linuxwolf


  118. Kev

    I'll send out minutes sometime soon (usually tomorrow).

  119. Kev bangs the gavel

  120. linuxwolf waves

  121. waqas

    Pft, missed the meeting again.

  122. stpeter

    hmm, I see nothing about the next meeting?

  123. stpeter scrolls up

  124. Kev

    Next Wed, usual time.

  125. Kev

    It was discussed.

  126. stpeter

    sorry, I missed it

  127. stpeter

    was on the phone with my mom at the time so a bit distracted

  128. Kev


  129. Kev

    Now, sleep.