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Kev
Evening.
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Kev
Two people here on time today.
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Kev
Pretty impressive.
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MattJ
:)
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Kev
What's MM's JID?
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MattJ
linuxwolf on outer-planes.net
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Kev
Ta
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MattJ
"Away since 15:59:06" :)
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Kev
Fritzy did mention trouble with the house a day or two ago, although I didn't think that was intended to be apologies for Council. Maybe it was.
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linuxwolf
HERE!
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MattJ
Yay!
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linuxwolf
/whew
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Kev
Well, no sign of Fritzy or Ralph.
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Kev
Oh, this does make me wonder about something, I'll AOB it.
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Kev
1) Roll call
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Kev
Matt & Matt & Kev. I'm not sure if Fritzy intended to apologise or not. Ralph hasn't.
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Kev
2) Agenda bashing.
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Kev
I'll add something about minutes to the end.
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MattJ
No bashing
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linuxwolf
I've got nothing to add or object to this week
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Kev
3) http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/remote-auth.html Accept as XEP?
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MattJ
+1
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linuxwolf
I guess
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Kev
Despite some quite active discussion on the list, I don't see a reason to block this for the moment.
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linuxwolf
agreed
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linuxwolf
+1 on accepting, but I doubt it actually solving a problem
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linuxwolf
IMO
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Kev
Right.
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Kev
4) Interop report (Kev)
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Kev
So, we've got the server interop event this week.
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Kev
M-Link, Ejabberd, Prosody, Tigase and Psyched are participating on the server side, things are underway, we're doing basic today, TLS tomorrow, and TLS with cert checking Friday.
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Kev
I've put up some basic test plan, am vaguely overseeing (I'm avoiding being the Isode contact so I can keep my XSF hat on), and I'll write up an informal report at the end of the week.
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Kev
Not much to say other than that.
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Kev
5) bis report (Peter)
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Kev
Except stpeter seems to be DND.
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dwd
My amazing psychic powers tell me he's on the phone.
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Kev
Quite.
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Kev
6) e2e report (Peter)
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Kev
Also problematic without Peter.
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Kev
So let's jump to my extra point
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mlundblad
dwd: my amazing contact list tells me he's "on the phone"
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mlundblad
:)
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linuxwolf
stpeter must be working form home…so no way to ping him
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Kev
7) Minutes of Council attendance.
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linuxwolf
s/ping/poke
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stpeter
hmm
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MattJ
linuxwolf, could give him a call... oh
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dwd
linuxwolf, Yeah, working from home, we all know what that means.
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linuxwolf
"A wild stpeter appears!"
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stpeter
stupid calendar didn't pop up a reminder
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Kev
I don't intend to be a bastard about it, but I keep writing minutes saying "X wuz ere" in the Roll call, when X didn't turn up until Council was about to end.
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Kev
As these are supposed to be a record of what actually happens, I think they should probably indicate this.
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linuxwolf
Kev: 10 minute rule
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Kev
So I'm inclined to start saying "Here, not here, late"
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MattJ
Fine by me, that also occurred in my mind when reading the last minutes
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Kev
linuxwolf: Is that as an alternative to what I propose?
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Kev
It wasn't that I want to start being a bastard about anyone 30 seconds late.
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linuxwolf
Kev: yes…from my college days…if you're more than 10 minutes late, you're "not here"
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dwd
I would also note that for members who actually care about who they vote for, having an accurate account of who turns up to meetings, and who votes (and when!) is a useful metric.
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Kev
dwd: I'm not convinced by 'and when', any more.
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linuxwolf
which impacted your ability to access the lab compueters
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Kev
Given that we now have a standard voting period, and we stick to it.
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stpeter
anyway, about e2e I've talked with the OTR guys about potentially documenting their stuff in an RFC (probably informational), we'll see where that leads
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Kev
linuxwolf: Which is ok, except that 10 minutes late is 33% of the longest Council meeting :)
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MattJ
+1 - I might vote late because I want to give the specs more careful review, etc.
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linuxwolf
Kev: 5 minutes late?
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linuxwolf
(-:
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dwd
MattJ, Yes, that seems reasonable. Not voting at all is less than helpful, though, speaking as a spec author (on occasion).
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MattJ
Agreed
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linuxwolf
/nod
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Kev
linuxwolf: I was going to go by the "If someone's late, they're marked late", and "If someone's not here by the time I gavel-bang, they're Not Here"
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Kev
So I'll go with this method in future minutes unless someone fiercely objects.
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linuxwolf
Kev: either works for me…depends on how heavy-handed we want to be
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Kev
I don't overly intend to be heavy-handed, and needing to poke someone because they forgot, and turn up 30seconds later isn't the point.
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linuxwolf
Kev: you're the Chair, afterall (-:
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Kev
Ok, so that was the e2e report - bis, stpeter?
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stpeter
the bis docs are getting closer every day, damn IESG members :)
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stpeter
still waiting for further feedback from the general area review team reviewer
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dwd
I admit I'm probably not exactly helping by nitpicking on bits I re-review. :-/
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Kev
Enough of a report for me :)
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Kev
Date of next meeting?
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linuxwolf
dwd: are you admitting to being a troll? (-:
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stpeter
it's on the agenda for next Thursday again (IESG telechat)
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Kev
I'm inclined at this point to suggest 'first Wed in Jan', and skip the holiday season, but could be talked into other things.
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dwd
linuxwolf, No, I just happen to *like* living under this bridge.
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dwd
Kev, Might be useful to have one next week to review this week's interop.
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linuxwolf
agreed
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stpeter
yeah, interop review would be good
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Kev
I can do next week, as long as my Isode overlords keep me out of meetings despite being in the office.
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linuxwolf
(with dwd, oddly enough)
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stpeter
I tried to ping those Cisco people to participate ;-)
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MattJ
stpeter, do we have any reliable 3rd-party opinions of OTR's suitability for XMPP?
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MattJ
Next week is fine
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stpeter
MattJ: not really
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linuxwolf
MattJ: I have comments, but have kept them to myself so far (-:
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linuxwolf
I should stop doing that
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Kev
Ok, so next week, usual time?
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stpeter
MattJ: first we'd do an informational draft and then try standards-track, I think
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linuxwolf
+1
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dwd
Kev, I'd forgotten about our little roadtrip.
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MattJ
stpeter, ok, I can't wait :)
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Kev
dwd: I was taking your proposal to be an assurance that you'd keep me out of meetings for that time :)
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Kev
8) Any other business?
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linuxwolf
none from me
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dwd
Kev, WHat, I'm an overlord now? Cool.
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MattJ
Ditto
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Kev
dwd: No, Steve's the overlord, you're just responsible for keeping him away next Wednesday afternoon at 4 :)
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Kev
In any case.
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Kev
Lacking AOB, fini.
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Kev
Thanks all.
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linuxwolf
grazie
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Kev
I'll send out minutes sometime soon (usually tomorrow).
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waqas
Pft, missed the meeting again.
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stpeter
hmm, I see nothing about the next meeting?
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Kev
Next Wed, usual time.
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Kev
It was discussed.
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stpeter
sorry, I missed it
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stpeter
was on the phone with my mom at the time so a bit distracted
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Kev
Forgiven.
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Kev
Now, sleep.
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