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linuxwolf
wow, I'm early for once
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Fritzy
:)
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linuxwolf
And a Fritzy has appeared!
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linuxwolf
(-:
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Kev
Three down.
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Kev
Matt is joining.
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Kev
Ralph has also been poked, but not responded.
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Kev
So, shall we start?
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Kev
1) Roll call
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linuxwolf
present
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Fritzy
present
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Fritzy
presents!
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Kev
Righty.
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Kev
2) Agenda bashing.
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Fritzy
nope
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MattJ
ditto
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linuxwolf
a note at the end from me
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Kev
Ok.
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Kev
3) Interop summary.
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Kev
So, the interop event happened.
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Kev
It started badly without much of a plan, I appointed myself 'in charge of stuff', there was a plan, it went very well.
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MattJ
+1
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Fritzy
I read the thread on it. Sounds like you made it productive.
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Kev
We learned a bit about what we need to do next time, and discussion is starting to happen about this on the interop list.
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Fritzy
any interesting results?
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Kev
There's a report on the XSF blog.
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dwd
I'd note from the floor that the interop testing done on SCRAM-SHA-1-PLUS was of quite some importance outside the XSF.
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Kev
Fritzy: Well, at the end of the week, everyone participating was more conformant than at the start.
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Kev
Which is quite a result, relaly.
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Kev
*really
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linuxwolf
/nod
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Fritzy
sounds good to me!
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dwd
I'd also note that another interop event I've been invoved in increased its setup time to an entire week for the third event, so our spending two days on that is a *small* amount of time, relatively speaking.
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Kev
It was surprising to me that the general standard of TLS handling was so high.
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Fritzy
between servers
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Fritzy
?
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Kev
So it does seem, largely, a deployment issue these days that s2s is often insecure.
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Kev
Yes, s2s.
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MattJ
Agreed
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Kev
The only client that did the scripted testing was Swift.
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Kev
There've been suggestions that the next interop should look at other low level stuff, with internationalisation seeming a sensible choice.
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dwd
That's not to say that was the only client involved, though - a few used parts of the test network for various things.
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MattJ
which is fine
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Kev
dwd: Yes, I'm assuming everyone can read the report.
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Fritzy
Will do.
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dwd
Kev, It's on the new-fangled web thing, I didn't know everyone had it.
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Kev
I don't think there's much more to say about it, but I think Council could consider whether it has a roll in the test plan for next time.
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dwd
(Or even a role)
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Kev
Maybe it doesn't, but it would seem to me that of the various XSF bodies, Council are the ones most likely to be thinking about interoperability requirements.
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Fritzy
that makes sense.
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MattJ
Indeed
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dwd
There was also the suggestion concerning the server and client lists and the relationship with the interops.
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MattJ
Next time I think perhaps council should draw up the tests
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MattJ
and make them known further in advance of the interop
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Kev
Yes, there was also discussion that clients and servers shouldn't be listed on xmpp.org unless they participate in the interop events, but that doesn't sound Councilish.
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Kev
MattJ: Yep.
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Kev
Righty, I think that's the interop done.
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ralphm
Kev: agreed
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Kev
linuxwolf: What did you want to add to the agenda
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ralphm
I could imagine some interopmatrix
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Kev
?
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dwd
I certainly think that indicating on those lists which ones *did* participate seems sensible.
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Fritzy
Also, test preparation can be an open thing a week ahead of time -- something people are available to help with before testing is expected to start -- in muc and everything.
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remko
dwd: *nod* It's a plus if you do, not a bad thing if you don't
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linuxwolf
some upcoming items of work
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Kev
Go for it.
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Kev
Fritzy: Yes, this is all good. Jump on the interop list and discuss :)
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Kev
linuxwolf: ... which are?
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linuxwolf
so, we're working out some issues and their solutions regarding multiple resources
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Kev
Ah.
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Kev
http://doomsong.co.uk/extensions/render/multiple-clients.html ?
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linuxwolf
plus a refresh of vcard
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ralphm
linuxwolf: refresh?
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linuxwolf
well, since an XML vcard specification is actually going to make it out of WG discussion, some of us feel it's time to also update (-:
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Kev
linuxwolf: I did poke Joe about some updates I wanted to do to Mine a few months back, but he never replied.
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linuxwolf
Kev: he's busy, and that brings me to the next piece
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Kev
linuxwolf: That sounds new-fangled and exciting.
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ralphm
linuxwolf: sounds nice, but any indication when?
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linuxwolf
ralphm: it's an IETF WG, so that's still unknown (-:
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ralphm
(also, does it include some way to indicate a JID?)
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ralphm
linuxwolf: it seems this is kinda pending since 2000
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linuxwolf
most of what we're doing with multiple resources is best practices, plus a bias toward message carbons
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linuxwolf
ralphm: yes, but now there's actually consensus
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linuxwolf
it's truly amazing to me (-:
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linuxwolf
I'm trying to find the people who will actual work on these specs, but it looks like most of them will be moi
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ralphm
not holding my breath C-:
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dwd
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-vcarddav-vcardxml-06
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linuxwolf
^^
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Kev
linuxwolf: Have you seen protoxep-multiple-clients?
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linuxwolf
Kev: yes…since you just sent it to me
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linuxwolf
(-:
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remko
dwd: that looks even more verbose than the vcard before, nice
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dwd
PSA's the responsible AD. Plus we could kick off an experimental XEP referencing the draft.
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ralphm
it seems extensible, so hooray
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linuxwolf
dwd: the XEP is started…just needs to get submitted
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Kev
linuxwolf: Ok, I was trying to solve the same problems (I think) that you're trying to solve with carbons et al (It was carbons I wanted to update, not Mine, my bad).
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dwd
remko, "It'll compress well"™
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linuxwolf
Kev: no worries…let's you and I talk more about that
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Kev
Sounds like a plan.
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linuxwolf
I think I'll be taking authorship of a couple of these
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linuxwolf
resource locking best practices, carbons, mine-ing
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Kev
And we'll wait to see the third vcard XEP proposal :)
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stpeter
sigh
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stpeter
got stuck in a massive traffic jam
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linuxwolf
Kev: heh…at least #3 will actually use a vCard spec
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Fritzy
stpeter: shitty
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Kev
stpeter: I'm about to, which is why I'm keen to keep Council short.
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stpeter
nod
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linuxwolf
if we're counting infobits as #2
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MattJ
stpeter, should have walked like I did :)
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Kev
At least dwd is driving this time.
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dwd
stpeter, You need to use better congestion control.
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Kev
Right, so, that's probably us doneish on that.
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ralphm
linuxwolf: aaaarghhh
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linuxwolf
or a better routing algorithm (-
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Kev
Next item: Next meeting.
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Kev
We're halfway through December, I suggest we skip meeting until the new year.
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linuxwolf
/agreed
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stpeter
yeah
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Fritzy
22nd shouldn't be a big deal though?
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Kev
5th Jan sounds good to me.
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MattJ
That would give me a chance to get some XEPs submitted :)
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linuxwolf
I'm <presence type='unavailable'/> until 01/03 anyway
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Fritzy
ok
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stpeter
I might be able to get some protoXEPs and edits done before the next meeting
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linuxwolf
what stpeter said (-:
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dwd
linuxwolf, That's not an RFC 3339 compliant date format, naughty.
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Kev
MattJ: I intend to submit the 136bis related stuff once you're ready to submit 136bis.
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stpeter
(protoxep for muc error elements)
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ralphm
For the record: no -1 on publishing remote-auth
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Fritzy
+1 for Jan 5th
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linuxwolf
dwd: 20110103T08:00:00-07:00
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remko
linuxwolf: thanks. Now us europeans can understand what you mean
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Fritzy
ralphm: would be interested in reading your critique
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Kev
linuxwolf: I think that's an hour off.
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MattJ
Kev, excellent
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ralphm
Fritzy: 'no -1'
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Fritzy
oh right
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Fritzy
lack of veto
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Fritzy
:)
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Kev
9am for -7, isn't it?
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Kev
1600 Real Time.
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ralphm
Kev: did you catch that for the tally?
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stpeter
it's 9 AM in Denver, 8 AM for Fritzy
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linuxwolf
Kev: noting when I can be expected back online, not the next meeting (-:
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Fritzy
yup
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Kev
ralphm: I did, ta.
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Kev
linuxwolf: sneaky.
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linuxwolf
(-;
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linuxwolf
it's sinister…just like my handedness
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Kev
Ok, so, next meeting 5th Jan 1600GMT.
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Kev
Any other Business?
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linuxwolf
oh, FOSDEM
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dwd
linuxwolf, Latin gags. I imagine your and PSA's classics-related humour has them rolling on the floor in Cisco.
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linuxwolf
who from this council is thinking of attending
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linuxwolf
?
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MattJ
<--
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dwd
Kev will be.
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Kev
linuxwolf: I'm assuming I will be.
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linuxwolf
hehe
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dwd
Kev, You are attending.
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stpeter
heh
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Kev
Jolly good.
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Fritzy
Wish I could make it this year, but since I'll be in Italy shortly after, it isn't in the budget.
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remko
dwd: you?
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linuxwolf
dwd: "Good to be the King" (-:
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dwd
Kev, I forgot to mention.
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stpeter
and we know how much Kev loves Brussels
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dwd
remko, I am, too. \o/
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MattJ
:)
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stpeter
but at least he has a few good memories of the place :)
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ralphm
I'm attending of course
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Kev
About || this much.
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remko
dwd: \o/
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Fritzy
they have good beer
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linuxwolf
I need to find business justification before I can commit to being at FOSDEM
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Kev
And I caught this awful 'having a wife' illness there, too.
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Kev
But yes.
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ralphm
linuxwolf: does "meeting ralphm" count?
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Kev
linuxwolf: I'll be there :)
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(-:
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Kev
Job done.
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linuxwolf
if we have an "official council meeting", that can help (-:
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Fritzy
aw man
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ralphm
linuxwolf: done deal
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stpeter
linuxwolf: we can find some customers for you to meet with :)
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dwd
linuxwolf, Kurt wants to discuss digsig in XMPP, which is relevant.
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linuxwolf
I'm working on my list…but every little thing helps
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Kev
I expect there to be some informal interop, but I'm not sure if it'll be formal.
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linuxwolf
stpeter: the good thing about Cisco is, it's global, so I can always find someone I need to talk with
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Kev
Right.
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Fritzy
we did Jingle interop the year before last
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ralphm
linuxwolf: is being-council-member considered part of your job?
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linuxwolf
ralphm: I believe it is, yes (-:
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ralphm
ralphm: well, there you go
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linuxwolf
heh
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Kev
Or here you come, or something.
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Kev
Anyway.
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Kev
Any other any other business?
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linuxwolf
I'm done...really!
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Fritzy
no sir
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ralphm
5 min. to spare. nice
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Kev
There are advantages to having a Chair with the attention span of a
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Kev
oooh, butterflies.
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Kev
Right!
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linuxwolf
SQUIRREL!
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Kev
I'll write up some meetings of the minute tomorrow morning.
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linuxwolf
/nod
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Kev
Thanks all
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linuxwolf
Kev: and I'll begin the out-of-band discussion shortly
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MattJ
Merci
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linuxwolf
¡gracias!
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Kev
linuxwolf: Thanks. I like multiple-clients, but don't have an implementation yet, so it's not too late to change my mind :)
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Kev
Anyway, there is a road to be hit.
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Kev
gn all.
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stpeter
bye!
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linuxwolf
ttfn
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ralphm
Kev: I want it in my n900
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