XMPP Council - 2011-01-12

  1. stpeter

    we're scheduled to have a meeting soon, right?

  2. Kev

    9mins, yeah.

  3. Kev

    My alarm should go off in about 5.

  4. stpeter


  5. Kev

    Mind's all over the place today, unusual for me to set an alarm.

  6. stpeter

    my mind's been all over the place since the first of the year, it seems

  7. linuxwolf


  8. stpeter

    but maybe it's this spell of vertigo I've got... ;-)

  9. linuxwolf goes to refill coffee before meeting

  10. stpeter

    today I'm going to start reviews of open issues related to various topics for the Summit

  11. stpeter

    then post summary messages to standards@

  12. stpeter

    first up will be XEP-0198

  13. stpeter

    I'll start updating http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Radar too

  14. MattJ


  15. Kev


  16. linuxwolf


  17. Kev

    1) Baps

  18. Kev

    Matt and Matt seem to be here, missing Ralph and Nathan.

  19. Kev

    2) Agenda Bashing.

  20. MattJ


  21. linuxwolf

    none here

  22. stpeter

    I might have some AOB items at the end

  23. Kev

    3) Encapsulated Digital Signatures in XMPP http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/encapsulated-signatures.html Accept as XEP?

  24. Kev

    I don't see a reason not to.

  25. Kev

    This is Kurt's alternative to the Encapsulating signatures XEP.

  26. linuxwolf


  27. Kev

    I'm much more keen on encapsulated signatures.

  28. stpeter

    so this is intended to replace XEP-0285?

  29. Kev

    stpeter: not immediately.

  30. Kev

    I mean: Publishing this doesn't deprecate 285

  31. stpeter


  32. MattJ

    Kev, but is that the intention in the long run?

  33. Kev

    The intention is that this is going to prove to be much better and 285 would be retracted.

  34. stpeter

    but in general Kurt prefers this new approach to the older one

  35. stpeter


  36. stpeter


  37. stpeter

    I love it when authors do some rethinking

  38. linuxwolf


  39. Kev

    Kurt would have updated the old one, but I suggested that as it was a completely different approach it deserved a new XEP.

  40. stpeter nods

  41. stpeter

    makes sense to me

  42. Kev

    And it's partly down to a misunderstanding with me that Kurt did 285 in the first place - this was always his preference, I believe.

  43. MattJ

    Ok, +1 then :)

  44. Kev

    4) Service Delegation http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/service-delegation.html Accept as XEP?

  45. Kev

    There are issues that I have with this, but they're not core.

  46. Kev

    So I'd rather publish and address.

  47. stpeter

    always my preference :)

  48. linuxwolf

    same here

  49. MattJ


  50. MattJ

    Someone (in jdev?) suggested PEP would be better, I think it's worth thinking about

  51. Kev


  52. Kev

    It's something that is worth addressing, though, I'm happy for this XEP to evolve to it.

  53. MattJ


  54. Kev

    This is going to be interesting to ST and co too, I expect.

  55. linuxwolf


  56. linuxwolf

    now if gmail.com would support PEP...

  57. stpeter

    hrm yeah

  58. Kev

    Right, was that not objecting from both Matts?

  59. linuxwolf

  60. MattJ

    It was

  61. Kev


  62. Kev

    Next meeting - next Wednesday?

  63. Kev

    I'm going to have problems with several weeks after that, for assorted reasons.

  64. stpeter


  65. MattJ


  66. Kev

    Some insurmountable some not :)

  67. linuxwolf


  68. linuxwolf

    wow…I've got time to get to my next meeting!

  69. Kev

    Righty, what was your 6) AOB Then, Peter?

  70. stpeter


  71. stpeter

    I chatted with Emil Ivov of SIP Communicator (soon to be Jitsi) and we think that the ZRTP spec is ready for Last Call (XEP-0262)

  72. stpeter

    they have an implementation

  73. stpeter

    and feedback has been incorporated

  74. stpeter

    however, he and his team will be at FOSDEM

  75. linuxwolf

    very nice

  76. stpeter

    so we could chat with him there and then issue the Last Call

  77. stpeter

    no real preference here

  78. Kev

    Let's chat at FOSDEM with people we can chat with at FOSDEM.

  79. stpeter

    the ZRTP spec was approved at the IETF last year but still doesn't have an RFC number

  80. stpeter

    sure, WFM

  81. stpeter

    same goes for Jingle Early Media (XEP-0269)

  82. stpeter

    I need to poke Justin Uberti about that one, too

  83. stpeter

    http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Radar needs serious attention, but I've started that this morning

  84. MattJ

    I hope 3920bis gets an RFC number before the year is out :)

  85. stpeter

    this will result in lots of experimental XEPs going dormant etc.

  86. stpeter

    MattJ: I hold the record for addressing and approving RFC Editor feedback, I hope to break that record this time ;-)

  87. MattJ


  88. Kev

    stpeter: Radar was originally for my benefit, I think, and I'm not in need of that any more.

  89. stpeter

    Kev: I think it will help me stay more organized :)

  90. Kev

    But if you have other reasons for updating it, feel free :)

  91. Kev

    So will MaybeLater, I'm sure :)

  92. stpeter


  93. stpeter


  94. stpeter

    ok, that's my AOB item

  95. Kev

    Great, anyone else?

  96. MattJ

    Not here

  97. linuxwolf

    not today

  98. Kev


  99. stpeter

    not here, not today, not right now!

  100. linuxwolf

    oh, other than I have tickets and hotel accommodations for FOSDEM

  101. stpeter


  102. Kev


  103. linuxwolf

    that was the fastest I've ever had travel booked and approved

  104. linuxwolf

    literally 20 minutes

  105. Kev


  106. Kev

    Let's get multi-resource sorted :)

  107. linuxwolf


  108. stpeter looks at the 7170 messages in his inbox and blanches

  109. vt100

    .o0( ouch )

  110. Kev

    stpeter: Move them all to another folder, and just move them back 50 at a time or so.

  111. Kev

    Hoorah for mind tricks.

  112. Kev


  113. stpeter


  114. Kev

    Thanks all, tune in next week, same bat time, same bat channel.

  115. Kev bangs the gavel.

  116. stpeter


  117. stpeter updates the calendar

  118. MattJ

    Thanks Kev

  119. Kev

    And for making me feel far too old - http://superuser.com/questions/231273/what-are-the-windows-a-and-b-drives-used-for

  120. linuxwolf

    oh wow

  121. linuxwolf

    I just found my first HDD … a whole whopping 40MB

  122. linuxwolf

    alright … adios amigos

  123. stpeter


  124. stpeter

    mine was 20

  125. stpeter runs calgen.py

  126. Kev

    Thanks Peter.

  127. stpeter

    http://xmpp.org/extensions/ is nice if you allow googleapis.com to run scripts :)

  128. MattJ


  129. stpeter

    hey Remko!

  130. remko

    hey peter

  131. remko

    i thought i'ld drop in to see how the meeting went :)

  132. stpeter


  133. stpeter

    yeah, Kev is quick about meetings

  134. remko

    (i did see your microblog announcement in time, though. Good initiative ;-))

  135. Kev

    Kev just has a very short atte

  136. stpeter

    yeah the infrastructure team needs to automate that!

  137. stpeter


  138. remko