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stpeter
greetings
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Kev
Hey.
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stpeter
how goes it?
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stpeter
Matthew's <status/> says "Walking" :)
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Kev
Busy.
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David Banes
Hi, are these sessions open for 'listen only'?
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stpeter
sure!
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Kev
David Banes: Yes.
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David Banes
OK, I'll listen while having my afternoon tea
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Kev
Tobias: Where's the difftool? I've forgotten
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stpeter
David Banes: you can even say things -- but only Council members have a vote
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David Banes
OK, thnx .
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waqas
Does someone have a link to the agenda?
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waqas
stpeter: Aside: Is the .im registrar in this list at all? http://www.pir.org/get/registrars?order=field_dnssec_value&sort=desc
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stpeter
waqas: we just post it (and discuss topics) on the council@xmpp.org list, anyone can subscribe
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stpeter
waqas: good point, I'll ask them about DNSSEC support
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stpeter
so have we all recovered from the Summit? :)
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remko
or from not being at the summit
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stpeter
heh
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Kev
I suspect I'll never recover from that.
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remko
Kev: you missed some good pizza and steak ;-)
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Kev
Not helping.
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linuxwolf
and ribs
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stpeter
was the pizza any good?
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Kev
Right, meeting time.
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Kev
1) Roll call.
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linuxwolf
I think I'm here
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Kev
I see a Kevin, one MattM and a Ralph. I don't see a MattJ or a Fritzy.
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Kev
2) Agenda bashing.
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Kev
No? Good.
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Kev
3) http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/vcard4.html Accept as a XEP?
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linuxwolf
+1 (-:
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ralphm
+1
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ralphm
I have severe lag
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Kev
There are little inconsistencies here, like saying to dump the <vcards/> wrapper, but then having examples that include it, but I'm happy to publish.
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ralphm
on 2), there were some suggestions. Not sure what to do
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stpeter
Kev: yeah I tried to clean it up while in Brussels but didn't quite finish, I think
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linuxwolf
I'll work with the author or the editor on that
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Kev
ralphm: You mean you have agenda bashing?
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ralphm
Kev: well you said you were adding stuff to the agenda, but I didn't see an updated one.
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Kev
ralphm: I thought it was a given that once I'd said 'these are on the agenda' that I didn't need to send out an updated one.
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Kev
4) http://xmpp.org/extensions/tmp/xep-0198-1.2.html Accept new version?
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Kev
I confess to not having read the diff yet, I need to find where the difftool is and check them. I'll vote on list.
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stpeter
unfortunately it seems that the diff tool is not working
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Kev
Ah, lovely.
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Kev
Ok, so I need to poke iteam about that, then.
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Kev
Either Ralph or Matt want to vote on 198-1.2?
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stpeter
at least it's no longer working for me
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linuxwolf
I need to read the new one again
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ralphm
not yet
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Kev
Ok - you have a fortnight :)
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stpeter
dwd: could you review 198 as well?
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Kev
5) Soon-to-expire XEPs: > http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0215.html > http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0275.html > http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0276.html > http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0277.html
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stpeter
dwd: I want to make sure I incorporated everything from your patch
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dwd
I can, but as Kev might tell you, I'm a shade overworked...
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stpeter
dwd: um yeah, I understand
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Kev
Not that there's anything for Council to do about these, unless someone fancies updating them.
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stpeter
I poked the Jingle list and several Collabora contributors about 276
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stpeter
the others could always be resurrected in the future if desired
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stpeter
I just wanted to keep the Council in the loop
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Kev
It only takes an update :)
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stpeter
yep
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Kev
6) Date of next meeting.
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stpeter
waqas: http://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo/council
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dwd
I may choose to resurrect 277 at some stage, but not right now.
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Kev
Next Wednesday, same Bat-time, same Bat-channel?
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ralphm
xep-0277 needs some use cases
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stpeter
dwd: yes I think it's a bit early for the microblogging stuff, and others are more interested in it than I am, it seems
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dwd
ralphm, The big problem is that there are two quite distinct models, and we need to pick one.
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ralphm
also, I am more interested in a slightly broader scope
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ralphm
(than pure microblogging)
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stpeter
Kev: works for me
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dwd
ralphm, macroblogging?
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ralphm
dwd: well, we shove around quite some atom ovre xmpp
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David Banes
fyi - there was a general feeling at SeaBeyond that xep-0277 wasn't a lot of use in it's current form .. just 'sayin
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dwd
ralphm, Like microblogging, except there's a minimum number of characters.
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ralphm
for federation purposes
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ralphm
including activity streams
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Kev
Thanks.
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Kev
7) AOB
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stpeter
David Banes: yes that seems to be the general feeling all around
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Kev
Oh, right.
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Kev
GSoC.
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stpeter
ah yes
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stpeter
already? ;-)
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Kev
I'm assuming we're applying again.
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Kev
I saw bear announce that he was going to be admin this year, so I guess Board have discussed this, but I didn't notice the minutes :)
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ralphm
David Banes: I didn't get into good talks with the other people around at FOSDEM to talk much about this, unfortunately
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Kev
In any case, I'd like to check that we don't have another FOSDEM falling-through-the-cracks.
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stpeter
yeah
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stpeter
we also need to think about a North American summit
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Kev
We should think about sorting out proposals etc. in advance of orgs applying, ideally.
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stpeter
(if desired)
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stpeter
Kev: yes
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Kev
Swift is probably in a state to put a couple of proposals up this year. Albeit we'd be terribly elitist about what we wanted in a student :)
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Kev
Simon's spoken to me about wanting to do BuddyCloud proposals under the XSF umbrella.
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ralphm
Kev: how is that bad?
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ralphm
Oh nice
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Kev
So I think what we need is for Board to make a decision about who's responsible for this (and maybe it's already done so and I missed the minutes) so I can start beating them over the head to make sure they do everything.
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Kev
I note that I'm idling in the gsoc channel already.
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Kev
When's the next Board meeting anyhow? I couldn't find it in the calendar when I looked yesterday.
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stpeter
Kev: I haven't seen a Board decision about this, and will poke their list about having a meeting next week
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Kev
I think we suffered last year from not being organised enough in advance, so I'd like us to do better this year.
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Kev
And ideally I'd like someone else to be doing it :D
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stpeter
:)
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Kev
(Although I'm happy to be admin again, like last year)
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stpeter
Board list poked
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Kev
Ta.
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Kev
Is the Board list public-membership these days?
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stpeter
Kev: no, but the meetings are held in the open xsf@muc.xmpp.org room
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Kev
Well, this isn't really Council-relevant now.
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Kev
Any other AOB?
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Kev
stpeter: Right, it's just hard to know when the meetings are without listening to the list :)
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stpeter
oh
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stpeter
Kev: right, the calendar should be updated
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stpeter
I have AOB
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Kev
Shoot.
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stpeter
file transfer
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stpeter
there's a whole raft of specs
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stpeter
I think 47 is ready to go
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stpeter
I think we'll want to work on these somewhat sequentially
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stpeter
after 47 I think we could do Jingle IBB = XEP-0261
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stpeter
so I will continue to poke various lists and people about that
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stpeter
perhaps 47 can be on the agenda for next week's Council meeting
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Kev
Ok.
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stpeter
in parallel, I will start a thread about 65 (one major open issue)
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stpeter
and update 234
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stpeter
(to reflect Brussels discussions)
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Kev
By 'on the agenda', you mean there's a new version to vote on, or you'd like to LC it?
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stpeter
new version
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Kev
Ok.
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Kev
It's not an LC when it's already Draft anyway, is it? :)
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stpeter
1.3rc2 for 47
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Kev
But anyway, details.
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Kev
Ok.
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stpeter
right
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stpeter
http://xmpp.org/extensions/tmp/xep-0047-1.3.html
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Kev
Will do. Anything else?
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stpeter
no, that's it from me
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linuxwolf
not this week (-:
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Kev
Excellent.
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linuxwolf
oh, Kev: check your emails, pls (-:
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remko
stpeter: It wasn't authentic pizza or anything, but i'm extremely easy on pizza.
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Kev
I'll sort out minutes when I have some spare cycles. Around 2015
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Kev
linuxwolf: Oh, I've probably missed whatever it is then.
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Kev
linuxwolf: Could you repoke it please?
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linuxwolf
Kev: I can resend…about multi-resource
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remko
linuxwolf:"Prework on multi-resource"?
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linuxwolf
sì
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Kev
Ok, I'll dig that out. It's not in the first page of my inbox so there's no hope of me finding it naturally.
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linuxwolf
(oh noes, evil composed character!)
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Kev
In any case, I think Council's done.
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linuxwolf
/nod
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Kev
Thanks all.
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stpeter
heh
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linuxwolf
adios
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stpeter
I've been thinking more about i18n, too -- need to get working on updated specs
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ralphm
stpeter: I found the sessions on i18n pretty good, but am unsure how "we" should proceed
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ralphm
sure the precis wg is a collection of people
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ralphm
but some hints for contributing meaningfully would be useful
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Tobias
Kev: thanks for the reminder..i'll try to bring in back this evening :)
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Kev
Tobias: Fab, thanks.
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ralphm
I'm not sure how many people had any idea of what to do
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stpeter
ralphm: I'll be providing some guidance about direction soon
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stpeter
ralphm: or at least some further thoughts
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Kev
For reference, I've just seen https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YpQjl8pDTztxlk1eRDgheHq-17vMEcNt3qUCypioW_g/edit?hl=en&pli=1# announced in the gsoc channel.
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ralphm
stpeter: awesome
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stpeter
oh and the .im folks tell me that DNSSEC is on their roadmap, but no specific date yet
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waqas
Ah, thanks
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bear
kev - I didn't announce that I had decided, I said that if the board agreed to do GSoC I could be the org admin
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Kev
bear: Ok, I misread. I was sure I saw "I'm the GSoC admin".
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bear
maybe that was my "trying to be cute and funny" english #fail
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ralphm
why oh why multiple disco identities for i18n
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ralphm
*snif*
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stpeter
?
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ralphm
well, if you want to provide translated disco identity names, you need to include a seperate element with a xml:lang
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ralphm
wokkel didn't take that into account
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ralphm
I'd design the protocol differently today
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ralphm
like text element(s) separate from all identities
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ralphm
oh well
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