XMPP Council - 2011-02-16

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  22. stpeter

    how goes it?

  23. stpeter looks around for Council members to poke

  24. stpeter

    Matthew's <status/> says "Walking" :)

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  27. David Banes

    Hi, are these sessions open for 'listen only'?

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  29. Kev

    David Banes: Yes.

  30. David Banes

    OK, I'll listen while having my afternoon tea

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  32. Kev

    Tobias: Where's the difftool? I've forgotten

  33. stpeter

    David Banes: you can even say things -- but only Council members have a vote

  34. David Banes

    OK, thnx .

  35. waqas

    Does someone have a link to the agenda?

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  37. waqas

    stpeter: Aside: Is the .im registrar in this list at all? http://www.pir.org/get/registrars?order=field_dnssec_value&sort=desc

  38. stpeter

    waqas: we just post it (and discuss topics) on the council@xmpp.org list, anyone can subscribe

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  41. stpeter

    waqas: good point, I'll ask them about DNSSEC support

  42. stpeter

    so have we all recovered from the Summit? :)

  43. remko

    or from not being at the summit

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  45. Kev

    I suspect I'll never recover from that.

  46. remko

    Kev: you missed some good pizza and steak ;-)

  47. Kev

    Not helping.

  48. linuxwolf

    and ribs

  49. stpeter

    was the pizza any good?

  50. Kev

    Right, meeting time.

  51. Kev

    1) Roll call.

  52. linuxwolf

    I think I'm here

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  54. Kev

    I see a Kevin, one MattM and a Ralph. I don't see a MattJ or a Fritzy.

  55. Kev

    2) Agenda bashing.

  56. Kev

    No? Good.

  57. Kev

    3) http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/vcard4.html Accept as a XEP?

  58. linuxwolf

    +1 (-:

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  60. ralphm

    I have severe lag

  61. Kev

    There are little inconsistencies here, like saying to dump the <vcards/> wrapper, but then having examples that include it, but I'm happy to publish.

  62. ralphm

    on 2), there were some suggestions. Not sure what to do

  63. stpeter

    Kev: yeah I tried to clean it up while in Brussels but didn't quite finish, I think

  64. linuxwolf

    I'll work with the author or the editor on that

  65. Kev

    ralphm: You mean you have agenda bashing?

  66. ralphm

    Kev: well you said you were adding stuff to the agenda, but I didn't see an updated one.

  67. Kev

    ralphm: I thought it was a given that once I'd said 'these are on the agenda' that I didn't need to send out an updated one.

  68. Kev

    4) http://xmpp.org/extensions/tmp/xep-0198-1.2.html Accept new version?

  69. Kev

    I confess to not having read the diff yet, I need to find where the difftool is and check them. I'll vote on list.

  70. stpeter

    unfortunately it seems that the diff tool is not working

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  72. Kev

    Ah, lovely.

  73. Kev

    Ok, so I need to poke iteam about that, then.

  74. Kev

    Either Ralph or Matt want to vote on 198-1.2?

  75. stpeter

    at least it's no longer working for me

  76. linuxwolf

    I need to read the new one again

  77. ralphm

    not yet

  78. Kev

    Ok - you have a fortnight :)

  79. stpeter

    dwd: could you review 198 as well?

  80. Kev

    5) Soon-to-expire XEPs: > http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0215.html > http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0275.html > http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0276.html > http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0277.html

  81. stpeter

    dwd: I want to make sure I incorporated everything from your patch

  82. dwd

    I can, but as Kev might tell you, I'm a shade overworked...

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  84. stpeter

    dwd: um yeah, I understand

  85. Kev

    Not that there's anything for Council to do about these, unless someone fancies updating them.

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  87. stpeter

    I poked the Jingle list and several Collabora contributors about 276

  88. stpeter

    the others could always be resurrected in the future if desired

  89. stpeter

    I just wanted to keep the Council in the loop

  90. Kev

    It only takes an update :)

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  92. Kev

    6) Date of next meeting.

  93. stpeter

    waqas: http://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo/council

  94. dwd

    I may choose to resurrect 277 at some stage, but not right now.

  95. Kev

    Next Wednesday, same Bat-time, same Bat-channel?

  96. ralphm

    xep-0277 needs some use cases

  97. stpeter

    dwd: yes I think it's a bit early for the microblogging stuff, and others are more interested in it than I am, it seems

  98. dwd

    ralphm, The big problem is that there are two quite distinct models, and we need to pick one.

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  100. ralphm

    also, I am more interested in a slightly broader scope

  101. ralphm

    (than pure microblogging)

  102. stpeter

    Kev: works for me

  103. dwd

    ralphm, macroblogging?

  104. ralphm

    dwd: well, we shove around quite some atom ovre xmpp

  105. David Banes

    fyi - there was a general feeling at SeaBeyond that xep-0277 wasn't a lot of use in it's current form .. just 'sayin

  106. dwd

    ralphm, Like microblogging, except there's a minimum number of characters.

  107. ralphm

    for federation purposes

  108. ralphm

    including activity streams

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  110. Kev


  111. Kev

    7) AOB

  112. stpeter

    David Banes: yes that seems to be the general feeling all around

  113. Kev

    Oh, right.

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  115. stpeter

    ah yes

  116. stpeter

    already? ;-)

  117. Kev

    I'm assuming we're applying again.

  118. Kev

    I saw bear announce that he was going to be admin this year, so I guess Board have discussed this, but I didn't notice the minutes :)

  119. ralphm

    David Banes: I didn't get into good talks with the other people around at FOSDEM to talk much about this, unfortunately

  120. Kev

    In any case, I'd like to check that we don't have another FOSDEM falling-through-the-cracks.

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  122. stpeter

    we also need to think about a North American summit

  123. Kev

    We should think about sorting out proposals etc. in advance of orgs applying, ideally.

  124. stpeter

    (if desired)

  125. stpeter

    Kev: yes

  126. Kev

    Swift is probably in a state to put a couple of proposals up this year. Albeit we'd be terribly elitist about what we wanted in a student :)

  127. Kev

    Simon's spoken to me about wanting to do BuddyCloud proposals under the XSF umbrella.

  128. ralphm

    Kev: how is that bad?

  129. ralphm

    Oh nice

  130. linuxwolf doesn't seem the inherent problem with elitism

  131. Kev

    So I think what we need is for Board to make a decision about who's responsible for this (and maybe it's already done so and I missed the minutes) so I can start beating them over the head to make sure they do everything.

  132. Kev

    I note that I'm idling in the gsoc channel already.

  133. Kev

    When's the next Board meeting anyhow? I couldn't find it in the calendar when I looked yesterday.

  134. stpeter

    Kev: I haven't seen a Board decision about this, and will poke their list about having a meeting next week

  135. Kev

    I think we suffered last year from not being organised enough in advance, so I'd like us to do better this year.

  136. Kev

    And ideally I'd like someone else to be doing it :D

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  138. Kev

    (Although I'm happy to be admin again, like last year)

  139. stpeter

    Board list poked

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  141. Kev

    Is the Board list public-membership these days?

  142. stpeter

    Kev: no, but the meetings are held in the open xsf@muc.xmpp.org room

  143. Kev

    Well, this isn't really Council-relevant now.

  144. Kev

    Any other AOB?

  145. Kev

    stpeter: Right, it's just hard to know when the meetings are without listening to the list :)

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  147. stpeter

    Kev: right, the calendar should be updated

  148. stpeter

    I have AOB

  149. Kev


  150. stpeter

    file transfer

  151. stpeter

    there's a whole raft of specs

  152. stpeter

    I think 47 is ready to go

  153. stpeter

    I think we'll want to work on these somewhat sequentially

  154. stpeter

    after 47 I think we could do Jingle IBB = XEP-0261

  155. stpeter

    so I will continue to poke various lists and people about that

  156. stpeter

    perhaps 47 can be on the agenda for next week's Council meeting

  157. Kev


  158. stpeter

    in parallel, I will start a thread about 65 (one major open issue)

  159. stpeter

    and update 234

  160. stpeter

    (to reflect Brussels discussions)

  161. Kev

    By 'on the agenda', you mean there's a new version to vote on, or you'd like to LC it?

  162. stpeter

    new version

  163. Kev


  164. Kev

    It's not an LC when it's already Draft anyway, is it? :)

  165. stpeter

    1.3rc2 for 47

  166. Kev

    But anyway, details.

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  170. Kev

    Will do. Anything else?

  171. stpeter

    no, that's it from me

  172. linuxwolf

    not this week (-:

  173. Kev


  174. linuxwolf

    oh, Kev: check your emails, pls (-:

  175. remko

    stpeter: It wasn't authentic pizza or anything, but i'm extremely easy on pizza.

  176. Kev

    I'll sort out minutes when I have some spare cycles. Around 2015

  177. Kev

    linuxwolf: Oh, I've probably missed whatever it is then.

  178. Kev

    linuxwolf: Could you repoke it please?

  179. linuxwolf

    Kev: I can resend…about multi-resource

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  181. remko

    linuxwolf:"Prework on multi-resource"?

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  183. Kev

    Ok, I'll dig that out. It's not in the first page of my inbox so there's no hope of me finding it naturally.

  184. linuxwolf

    (oh noes, evil composed character!)

  185. Kev

    In any case, I think Council's done.

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  187. Kev

    Thanks all.

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  190. linuxwolf


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  192. stpeter

    I've been thinking more about i18n, too -- need to get working on updated specs

  193. ralphm

    stpeter: I found the sessions on i18n pretty good, but am unsure how "we" should proceed

  194. ralphm

    sure the precis wg is a collection of people

  195. ralphm

    but some hints for contributing meaningfully would be useful

  196. Tobias

    Kev: thanks for the reminder..i'll try to bring in back this evening :)

  197. Kev

    Tobias: Fab, thanks.

  198. ralphm

    I'm not sure how many people had any idea of what to do

  199. stpeter

    ralphm: I'll be providing some guidance about direction soon

  200. stpeter

    ralphm: or at least some further thoughts

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  202. Kev

    For reference, I've just seen https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YpQjl8pDTztxlk1eRDgheHq-17vMEcNt3qUCypioW_g/edit?hl=en&pli=1# announced in the gsoc channel.

  203. ralphm

    stpeter: awesome

  204. stpeter

    oh and the .im folks tell me that DNSSEC is on their roadmap, but no specific date yet

  205. waqas

    Ah, thanks

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  209. bear

    kev - I didn't announce that I had decided, I said that if the board agreed to do GSoC I could be the org admin

  210. Kev

    bear: Ok, I misread. I was sure I saw "I'm the GSoC admin".

  211. bear

    maybe that was my "trying to be cute and funny" english #fail

  212. ralphm

    why oh why multiple disco identities for i18n

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  216. ralphm

    well, if you want to provide translated disco identity names, you need to include a seperate element with a xml:lang

  217. ralphm

    wokkel didn't take that into account

  218. ralphm

    I'd design the protocol differently today

  219. ralphm

    like text element(s) separate from all identities

  220. ralphm

    oh well

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