XMPP Council - 2011-02-16

greetings

Hey.

how goes it?

Matthew's <status/> says "Walking" :)

Busy.

Hi, are these sessions open for 'listen only'?

sure!

David Banes: Yes.

OK, I'll listen while having my afternoon tea

Tobias: Where's the difftool? I've forgotten

David Banes: you can even say things -- but only Council members have a vote

OK, thnx .

Does someone have a link to the agenda?

stpeter: Aside: Is the .im registrar in this list at all? http://www.pir.org/get/registrars?order=field_dnssec_value&sort=desc

waqas: we just post it (and discuss topics) on the council@xmpp.org list, anyone can subscribe

waqas: good point, I'll ask them about DNSSEC support

so have we all recovered from the Summit? :)

or from not being at the summit

heh

I suspect I'll never recover from that.

Kev: you missed some good pizza and steak ;-)

Not helping.

and ribs

was the pizza any good?

Right, meeting time.

1) Roll call.

I think I'm here

I see a Kevin, one MattM and a Ralph. I don't see a MattJ or a Fritzy.

2) Agenda bashing.

No? Good.

3) http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/vcard4.html Accept as a XEP?

+1 (-:

+1

I have severe lag

There are little inconsistencies here, like saying to dump the <vcards/> wrapper, but then having examples that include it, but I'm happy to publish.

on 2), there were some suggestions. Not sure what to do

Kev: yeah I tried to clean it up while in Brussels but didn't quite finish, I think

I'll work with the author or the editor on that

ralphm: You mean you have agenda bashing?

Kev: well you said you were adding stuff to the agenda, but I didn't see an updated one.

ralphm: I thought it was a given that once I'd said 'these are on the agenda' that I didn't need to send out an updated one.

4) http://xmpp.org/extensions/tmp/xep-0198-1.2.html Accept new version?

I confess to not having read the diff yet, I need to find where the difftool is and check them. I'll vote on list.

unfortunately it seems that the diff tool is not working

Ah, lovely.

Ok, so I need to poke iteam about that, then.

Either Ralph or Matt want to vote on 198-1.2?

at least it's no longer working for me

I need to read the new one again

not yet

Ok - you have a fortnight :)

dwd: could you review 198 as well?

5) Soon-to-expire XEPs: > http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0215.html > http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0275.html > http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0276.html > http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0277.html

dwd: I want to make sure I incorporated everything from your patch

I can, but as Kev might tell you, I'm a shade overworked...

dwd: um yeah, I understand

Not that there's anything for Council to do about these, unless someone fancies updating them.

I poked the Jingle list and several Collabora contributors about 276

the others could always be resurrected in the future if desired

I just wanted to keep the Council in the loop

It only takes an update :)

yep

6) Date of next meeting.

waqas: http://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo/council

I may choose to resurrect 277 at some stage, but not right now.

Next Wednesday, same Bat-time, same Bat-channel?

xep-0277 needs some use cases

dwd: yes I think it's a bit early for the microblogging stuff, and others are more interested in it than I am, it seems

ralphm, The big problem is that there are two quite distinct models, and we need to pick one.

also, I am more interested in a slightly broader scope

(than pure microblogging)

Kev: works for me

ralphm, macroblogging?

dwd: well, we shove around quite some atom ovre xmpp

fyi - there was a general feeling at SeaBeyond that xep-0277 wasn't a lot of use in it's current form .. just 'sayin

ralphm, Like microblogging, except there's a minimum number of characters.

for federation purposes

including activity streams

Thanks.

7) AOB

David Banes: yes that seems to be the general feeling all around

Oh, right.

GSoC.

ah yes

already? ;-)

I'm assuming we're applying again.

I saw bear announce that he was going to be admin this year, so I guess Board have discussed this, but I didn't notice the minutes :)

David Banes: I didn't get into good talks with the other people around at FOSDEM to talk much about this, unfortunately

In any case, I'd like to check that we don't have another FOSDEM falling-through-the-cracks.

yeah

we also need to think about a North American summit

We should think about sorting out proposals etc. in advance of orgs applying, ideally.

(if desired)

Kev: yes

Swift is probably in a state to put a couple of proposals up this year. Albeit we'd be terribly elitist about what we wanted in a student :)

Simon's spoken to me about wanting to do BuddyCloud proposals under the XSF umbrella.

Kev: how is that bad?

Oh nice

So I think what we need is for Board to make a decision about who's responsible for this (and maybe it's already done so and I missed the minutes) so I can start beating them over the head to make sure they do everything.

I note that I'm idling in the gsoc channel already.

When's the next Board meeting anyhow? I couldn't find it in the calendar when I looked yesterday.

Kev: I haven't seen a Board decision about this, and will poke their list about having a meeting next week

I think we suffered last year from not being organised enough in advance, so I'd like us to do better this year.

And ideally I'd like someone else to be doing it :D

:)

(Although I'm happy to be admin again, like last year)

Board list poked

Ta.

Is the Board list public-membership these days?

Kev: no, but the meetings are held in the open xsf@muc.xmpp.org room

Well, this isn't really Council-relevant now.

Any other AOB?

stpeter: Right, it's just hard to know when the meetings are without listening to the list :)

oh

Kev: right, the calendar should be updated

I have AOB

Shoot.

file transfer

there's a whole raft of specs

I think 47 is ready to go

I think we'll want to work on these somewhat sequentially

after 47 I think we could do Jingle IBB = XEP-0261

so I will continue to poke various lists and people about that

perhaps 47 can be on the agenda for next week's Council meeting

Ok.

in parallel, I will start a thread about 65 (one major open issue)

and update 234

(to reflect Brussels discussions)

By 'on the agenda', you mean there's a new version to vote on, or you'd like to LC it?

new version

Ok.

It's not an LC when it's already Draft anyway, is it? :)

1.3rc2 for 47

But anyway, details.

Ok.

right

http://xmpp.org/extensions/tmp/xep-0047-1.3.html

Will do. Anything else?

no, that's it from me

not this week (-:

Excellent.

oh, Kev: check your emails, pls (-:

stpeter: It wasn't authentic pizza or anything, but i'm extremely easy on pizza.

I'll sort out minutes when I have some spare cycles. Around 2015

linuxwolf: Oh, I've probably missed whatever it is then.

linuxwolf: Could you repoke it please?

Kev: I can resend…about multi-resource

linuxwolf:"Prework on multi-resource"?

sì

Ok, I'll dig that out. It's not in the first page of my inbox so there's no hope of me finding it naturally.

(oh noes, evil composed character!)

In any case, I think Council's done.

/nod

Thanks all.

heh

adios

I've been thinking more about i18n, too -- need to get working on updated specs

stpeter: I found the sessions on i18n pretty good, but am unsure how "we" should proceed

sure the precis wg is a collection of people

but some hints for contributing meaningfully would be useful

Kev: thanks for the reminder..i'll try to bring in back this evening :)

Tobias: Fab, thanks.

I'm not sure how many people had any idea of what to do

ralphm: I'll be providing some guidance about direction soon

ralphm: or at least some further thoughts

For reference, I've just seen https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YpQjl8pDTztxlk1eRDgheHq-17vMEcNt3qUCypioW_g/edit?hl=en&pli=1# announced in the gsoc channel.

stpeter: awesome

oh and the .im folks tell me that DNSSEC is on their roadmap, but no specific date yet

Ah, thanks

kev - I didn't announce that I had decided, I said that if the board agreed to do GSoC I could be the org admin

bear: Ok, I misread. I was sure I saw "I'm the GSoC admin".

maybe that was my "trying to be cute and funny" english #fail

why oh why multiple disco identities for i18n

*snif*

?

well, if you want to provide translated disco identity names, you need to include a seperate element with a xml:lang

wokkel didn't take that into account

I'd design the protocol differently today

like text element(s) separate from all identities

oh well