XMPP Council - 2011-06-15

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15:01:11 linuxwolf waves?
15:01:26 MattJ too?
15:01:28 Kev Yep.
15:01:32 Kev Got a minute yet, though.
15:01:36 MattJ 2s
15:01:50 linuxwolf I already have us 1 minute past time
15:02:00 Kev Now we're on time.
15:02:08 Kev 1) Roll call.
15:02:10 Kev I'm here.
15:02:12 Kev Ralph sends apologies.
15:02:14 linuxwolf presente
15:02:27 Kev Nathan appears absent.
15:02:35 MattJ I'm here
15:02:51 Kev Yay.
15:02:56 Kev 2) Agenda bashing.
15:03:10 MattJ None
15:03:13 linuxwolf nay
15:03:33 stpeter I might have an AOB at the end
15:03:37 Kev k
15:03:46 Kev 4) Approve version 1.1rc1 of "XEP-0171: Language Translation"? http://xmpp.org/extensions/tmp/xep-0171-1.1.html http://xmpp.org/extensions/diff/api/xep/0171/diff/1.0/vs/1.1rc1
15:03:58 MattJ +1
15:04:04 Kev I'm OK with this only because Peter's checked with the authors and we believe them to be the only implementors.
15:04:09 Kev But I am OK with it.
15:04:27 linuxwolf +1 also
15:04:39 Kev 5) Approve version 1.3rc2 of "XEP-0198: Stream Management"? http://xmpp.org/extensions/tmp/xep-0198-1.3.html http://xmpp.org/extensions/diff/api/xep/0198/diff/1.2/vs/1.3rc2
15:04:46 MattJ +1
15:04:59 Kev +1 also.
15:05:09 MattJ The only comment I have is that the new paragraph in section 5 threw me for a second
15:05:16 Kev Oh, I seem to have missed 3)
15:05:20 MattJ But I guess it's technically right
15:05:20 Kev Let's do that next :)
15:05:21 linuxwolf will vote on the list…need to read it again
15:05:26 Kev k
15:05:41 Kev 3) Last call on XEP-0266 (Jingle Voice codecs)?
15:06:02 MattJ It's changed already?
15:06:17 stpeter MattJ: there was a comment on the list about that point in 198
15:06:20 MattJ the current vesion says "XEP-0266: Codecs for Jingle Audio"
15:06:32 stpeter right, audio is more than voice
15:06:50 linuxwolf (-:
15:06:59 stpeter I think it captures consensus from the jingle@ list
15:07:01 linuxwolf Pedantic Wednesday
15:07:06 stpeter linuxwolf: ;-)
15:07:20 Kev I'm +1 on lastcalling, anyway.
15:07:25 MattJ Ditto
15:07:43 linuxwolf +1, although there's already some dissent on the standards@ list
15:07:55 stpeter some, or only Arc? ;-)
15:08:03 linuxwolf well, ok…one (-:
15:08:15 MattJ Heh
15:08:26 Kev Last call is a chance for such feedback to be heard.
15:08:27 Kev 6) Discuss 0220 (Dialback).
15:08:28 stpeter rough consensus -- as they say in the IETF, he might be in the rough
15:08:29 MattJ That's what LC is for
15:08:44 linuxwolf true, hence my +1 d-:
15:08:51 MattJ What are the open issues with 220?
15:08:56 linuxwolf features
15:08:59 stpeter right
15:09:01 Kev Do we have agreement between the authors on this yet?
15:09:05 stpeter we need to settle on the features stuff
15:09:06 linuxwolf haha
15:09:26 stpeter I was just poking the Council in case they have opinions in the matter
15:09:51 Kev You know me, I rarely have opinions :D
15:09:55 stpeter :P
15:10:04 MattJ None that I haven't given on-list as an implementor :)
15:10:20 linuxwolf I've already stated mine previously
15:10:26 stpeter ok I will follow up on the list, then
15:10:35 MattJ Thanks
15:10:48 Kev 7) Discuss 0299 (Video codecs).
15:10:54 stpeter right
15:11:10 Kev Mostly just are we happy that this was an editorial change splitting it in two and don't need Council to approve it.
15:11:12 Kev Which I am.
15:11:14 stpeter so I pubilshed that on Sunday without Council approval
15:11:20 stpeter right
15:11:22 stpeter mitosis
15:11:32 stpeter or somesuch
15:11:39 linuxwolf it's ok with me
15:12:01 MattJ +1
15:12:06 Kev Goodo.
15:12:11 Kev 8) Date of next meeting
15:12:17 Kev Same bat time, same bat channel?
15:12:25 stpeter WFM
15:12:27 stpeter AOB?
15:12:58 Kev Hey hey.
15:13:04 Kev Remember who's in charge here!
15:13:08 Kev 9) AOB.
15:13:08 stpeter I'm wondering if any council members have ideas about how to handle hash agility -- http://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/standards/2011-June/024599.html
15:13:09 stpeter :P
15:13:35 stpeter I thought next meeting was always the last item on the agenda, my bad
15:13:39 MattJ waqas's approach seems sensible
15:14:45 linuxwolf seems about right to me
15:14:49 stpeter MattJ: I'm wondering if we want to define different elements in special namespaces like urn:xmpp:hashes:sha1 -- that way <sha1 xmlns='urn:xmpp:hashes:sha1'>...</sha1> could be included in any XMPP element
15:14:52 Kev I'm happy with leaving SI to wither and fixing this in Jingle, and namespacing the elements seems fine to me.
15:15:10 MattJ stpeter, mmm, that's nice
15:15:17 linuxwolf agree with the namespacing
15:15:23 stpeter so we might have a separate document that defies "hash functions for XMPP"
15:15:31 stpeter and it would be revised when we change our recommendations
15:15:32 stpeter etc.
15:15:45 stpeter a "living document" if you will
15:15:59 stpeter seem reasonable?
15:16:11 stpeter s/defies/defines/ :)
15:16:13 Kev With no time to digest the idea, it doesn't seem unreasonable.
15:16:16 MattJ It would certainly help the current state of ad-hoc hashes included in each XEP
15:16:22 stpeter MattJ: right
15:16:39 stpeter I will look at the different XEPs and perhaps get a protoXEP ready for next week
15:16:45 linuxwolf ok
15:16:46 stpeter that's all from me, I think
15:16:55 Kev Anyone else?
15:17:00 stpeter plus if I get it ready quickly, it could be XEP-0300 :)
15:17:03 MattJ Nay
15:17:08 MattJ :)
15:18:19 Kev Right, so I think we're done.
15:18:29 stpeter yep
15:18:30 Kev Thanks all.
15:18:32 Kev bangs the gavel.
15:18:34 stpeter thank you!
15:18:36 linuxwolf adios
15:18:52 MattJ Merci
15:19:00 stpeter Kev, it seems that Nathan and Ralph are DNV on 262
15:19:16 stpeter er
15:19:19 stpeter perhaps only Ralph
15:19:28 stpeter ererer
15:19:32 stpeter only Nathan
15:19:33 stpeter sigh
15:19:40 stpeter too much multitasking
16:35:08 stpeter calendar updated to reflect next week's meeting
16:38:31 MattJ Thanks :)
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18:00:23 stpeter sigh
18:00:50 stpeter I've been screwing things up lately
18:01:02 Kev Time for a holiday, then.
18:01:06 stpeter yeah right
18:01:50 stpeter case in point: XEP-0171
18:01:59 stpeter etc.
18:02:04 stpeter I'll wait longer on 198 :P
18:17:45 MattJ stpeter, what did you screw up with 171?
18:17:49 MattJ The # thing?
18:17:59 MattJ If so, wasn't it really council's job to spot that too? :)
18:23:36 stpeter no, I pushed out 1.1 without waiting for votes from the Council members who weren't able to attend the meeting :(
18:24:10 stpeter dumb
18:25:16 MattJ Oh, I see
18:27:23 stpeter :|
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