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Neustradamus
Where will be XMPP/Jabber ? http://www.numerama.com/magazine/19348-la-mort-d-internet-se-confirme-un-peu-plus-a-bruxelles.html
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MattJ
Morning all
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stpeter
greetings
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stpeter
MattJ: still morning for you, I take it? :)
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MattJ
Morning :)
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MattJ
Is there a meeting today? It seemed like there wouldn't be, but now we have discussion items (?) but no agenda posted
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stpeter
ask the boss :)
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MattJ
I have a IRL meeting starting shortly, trying to figure if I need to try and reschedule
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stpeter
aha
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MattJ
(if that's possible)
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MattJ
Kev, ?
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MattJ
Ok, I need to dash - my apologies if the meeting does go ahead, I'll read the discussion and post on-list (hopefully today, but today is kind of hectic, so possibly tomorrow)
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stpeter
MattJ: no worries!
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Kev
I'm here.
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Kev
Yes, we have a Council.
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Kev
There wasn't any suggestion on the list that there wouldn't be, AFAICR.
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ralphm
I'm here
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linuxwolf
T - 0:04?
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Kev
Yep.
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linuxwolf
agenda? (I hate surprises, and not sure I followed everything correctly yesterday)
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stpeter
MattJ had to attend an IRL meeting so it seems he won't be here
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linuxwolf
stupid IRL
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stpeter
yeah, who needs it :P
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Kev
http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/keepalive.html http://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/standards/2011-June/024722.html http://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/standards/2011-June/024723.html http://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/standards/2011-June/024625.html
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linuxwolf
grazie
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Kev
Dingding.
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Kev
Oh, I have another agenda item, too. Will add to the AOB.
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Kev
1) Roll call.
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Kev
I be here.
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Kev
MattJ sends apologies.
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linuxwolf
presente
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linuxwolf
I think
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ralphm
HI
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Kev
No sign of Fritzy online.
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ralphm
hmm, linuxwolf reminds me of fixing Gajim's list of styles I wish to accept
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Kev
2) http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/keepalive.html Accept as XEP
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linuxwolf
looks like we reached quorum.../whew
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Kev
I'm not sure exactly what situations you'd need this in, but that doesn't seem like a reason to block Experimentalness.
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linuxwolf
no objections from me
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stpeter
Experimentality?
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ralphm
funny how we need a protocol to send whitespace around, but sure
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linuxwolf
Kev: trying to explain on list, there are networks where this kind of negotiation is helpful
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stpeter
I admit that I haven't read all the messages on the list
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linuxwolf
ralphm: it's those stupid mobiles and things (-:
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Kev
linuxwolf: Right - *some* sort of keepalive is useful - it's not clear to me that including this in 198 negotiation or such isn't better.
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ralphm
linuxwolf: I understand the purpose, but I just thought it was funny
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Kev
But I'm not objecting to putting this out there.
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stpeter
ralphm: it is :)
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linuxwolf
Kev: that's a possibility…this individual at least wanted to get their thoughts out there
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ralphm
it is great troll food
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Kev
And I think, in fact, that the Right thing to do if you're missing a whitespace you're expecting, and thus are tempted to d/c the client, is to think "Oh, golly, I'm waiting for a whing and don't have one. I'll send a XEP-0199 ping and if I don't get a response terminate the connection".
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Kev
Rather than relying purely on the whitespace.
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linuxwolf
http://stash.norml.org/wp-content/uploads/please-do-not-feed-the-troll.jpg
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stpeter
gosh I saw that JPEG just yesterday :)
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ralphm
#3?
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Kev
So, we've got these three Last Calls that finished.
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linuxwolf
Kev: yeah, I don't know I agree with all of the strategies there…that, or wait for <n> "things"
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linuxwolf
right
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Kev
I'm assuming Peter would like us to vote on them going to Draft, so I guess we can do that next week.
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Kev
And I'll agendarisice them.
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Kev
stpeter: Yes?
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linuxwolf
well, the week after
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stpeter
Kev: seems appropriate
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linuxwolf
(-:
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Kev
linuxwolf: ?
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linuxwolf
IETF is next week
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stpeter
linuxwolf and I won't be here next week
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stpeter
wel
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stpeter
well
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Kev
Ah, right.
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ralphm
so this is the: 'go give them a final read' cue
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linuxwolf
still trying to get my slides together, too
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Kev
ralphm: "Go give them a Draft read" :)
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linuxwolf
(-:
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ralphm
pft
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Kev
Ok, so, date of next meeting - fortnight today?
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linuxwolf
wfm
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stpeter
I suppose I'll be in the CORE WG meeting at that time
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Kev
Ok, I'll take that as OK from Ralph too :)
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Kev
So, Any Other Busyness?
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linuxwolf
(-;
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Kev
I've got an item, for a change.
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Kev
Anyone else?
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linuxwolf
nay
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stpeter
none here
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Kev
OK - so.
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Kev
This fun fun thread on aborting the XSF because Board and Council are a bunch of layabouts.
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linuxwolf
ha yeah
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linuxwolf
maybe we should lynch them
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stpeter
Kev: is that how you interpreted what I said? because that was not the intent
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ralphm
hehe
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Kev
stpeter: No, but I think it was a subtext of the replies.
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linuxwolf
stpeter: I think it was really the comments of others that lead us there
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linuxwolf
s/us/him/
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Kev
Where 'subtext' ~= 'The Mails"
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stpeter
well, the Board and Council are not a bunch of layabouts!
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Kev
Anyway, so, we should probably try and address this in some way.
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ralphm
well, I guess the busy bees can start their own club. It's not like the XSF needs to be the One Ring
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Kev
Even if 'this' is a perception.
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stpeter
ralphm: :)
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linuxwolf
ralphm: ¿viva le revolution?
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Kev
I was thinking that one way of doing this might be for the outgoing Chair (oh boy I love making work for myself) for both Board and Council towards the end of term to produce a report of things like attendance through the term, missed votes, etc.
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ralphm
more like: if you want change you can do three things: 1) whine, 2) apply for board/council and do (more?) stuff, 3) start your own club
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stpeter
one little thing that would help, I think, is for the Board and Council chairs to send agendas for their meetings ~24 hours before each meeting to members@ and standards@ -- that might encourage more participation
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ralphm
I wonder if it is more 1 than anything else
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Kev
ralphm: I don't agree with that assesment.
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linuxwolf
stpeter: that would help
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Kev
It implies that the only people doing worthwhile things in the XSF are Board and Council, and I would dearly like to believe that to not be the case.
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Kev
stpeter: We could do. Although this is less of an issue for Council than for Board.
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stpeter
Kev: agreed
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ralphm
Kev: agreed, but you mentioned that those two have all the lazy guys
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Kev
In as much as anyone who cares about the Council agendas is welcome to either subscribe to or read the archives for the list where they're announced (and little else).
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Kev
This isn't true of Board, so I'd certainly be in favour of advance agendas being made available there.
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stpeter
Kev: true dat
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Kev
I will send a mail to members@ and standards@ so people realise they can read the Council list.
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linuxwolf
/nod
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Kev
ralphm: Oh, no, I don't think so. I think everyone's lazy :)
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ralphm
I'm also not sure if the (lack of) activity of the board is really something that needs to be discussed in the council.
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linuxwolf
it could also help if council members could take a more active role in discussions
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linuxwolf
Kev's already there, and I think I'm a distant second….
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ralphm
as for the council and standardization in general, I too wonder how much more needs to be standardized. Over the last 10+ years we've made a whole lot of building blocks, and it isn't odd that we have most of them now.
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Kev
ralphm: It doesn't hurt, since both Council and Board were accused of inactivity, to look at the bigger picture. I agree that Council can't mandate direction to Board.
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stpeter
ralphm: yes, I think that's a lot of what is going on!
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Kev
OK, so I'm taking from this that apart from me mailing to make sure people know they can find the Council agendas in advance (even if they're vague like this week - sorry about that, been a *little* busy) there aren't any current actions.
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Kev
Any other busyness?
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stpeter
none here
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ralphm
I do agree that I don't participate much in the mailinglists anymore
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ralphm
this might be because of what is actually being discussed
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ralphm
the signal/noise ratio
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linuxwolf
ralphm: I've had that problem (-
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Kev
I *try* to participate on the lists - I figure that's one of the responsibilities of Council.
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ralphm
I'd like to know if anyone shares this feeling
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stpeter
ralphm: again, perhaps in large measure the topics aren't as "core" as they once were because we've defined so many extensions already
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ralphm
and if we are actually developing standards there or that it is mostly editorial comments and 'helpdesk'
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linuxwolf
for standards@, I don't think there's much noise there, personally
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ralphm
I don't want to trash everyone on those lists, though, to be clear
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Kev
There's still a reasonable amount of protocol discussion going on, and I don't think there's a lot of noise.
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Kev
I grant I don't tend to pay attention to juser or the suchlike, but standards@ seems ok still.
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linuxwolf
I'm not sure I'm still subscribed to juser… /-:
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Kev
linuxwolf: I don't think this is a bad thing :)
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Kev
Aaanyway.
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stpeter
no AOB here :)
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linuxwolf
none from me
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Kev
I think we've worn this out for the moment, we can readdressif stuff happens on list.
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ralphm
nod
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linuxwolf
+1
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Kev
I'll provide minutes at some point soonish. I've poked Fritzy for his pending votishness.
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Kev
Thanks all.
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linuxwolf
grazie
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stpeter
thanks, guys!
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MattJ
Heh, just made it back from the meeting, I'll catch up here when I have a moment
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Kev
Ta. Only one action for you - the Whing spec.
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MattJ
Can't we call them whips instead?
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MattJ
Prosody already has a mod_smacks...
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