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stpeter
greetings
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ralphm
Goeiemiddag!
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stpeter
:)
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Kev
Afternoon.
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linuxwolf
heh
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stpeter
I'm the IESG liaison to the IETF Tools Team :)
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ralphm
I am doing a release
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Kev
Wonderful.
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Kev
We're all at the top of our game then :)
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stpeter
heh
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linuxwolf
(-:
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Kev
MattJ's on his way.
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Kev
1) Roll call.
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Kev
I'm here.
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linuxwolf
presente
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MattJ
Me too!
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Kev
Fritzy sent apologies.
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stpeter
yep, saw that
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Kev
Righty, I'll assume ralphm's still here.
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Kev
2) Agenda bashing^w^w http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0260.html - move to draft?
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Kev
We've still not got much feedback on this, but I think we've probably got all we're likely to now.
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linuxwolf
/nod
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ralphm
yes
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MattJ
Yeah, I'm prepared to +1 it
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Kev
Without invoking thumbscrews, anyway.
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stpeter
:)
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MattJ
It's always an option ;)
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linuxwolf
heh
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linuxwolf
+1, btw
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ralphm
+1
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Kev
I'd like to give it a once-through, which I didn't have a chance to do today as I'd planned, so I expect to vote onlist tomorrow or thereabouts.
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Kev
Depending how fun work is.
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stpeter
Kev: thanks
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Kev
We'll be waiting for Nathan's vote anyway, so hopefully I'm not holding things up.
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Kev
3) http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0261.html - move to draft?
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Kev
Same applies from me.
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linuxwolf
+1 also
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MattJ
Ditto
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ralphm
+1
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stpeter
MattJ: what does "Ditto" mean for you?
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Kev
"as above"
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linuxwolf
his above, or yours? (-:
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MattJ
stpeter, same again
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Kev
4) http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/quickstart.html to experimental
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Kev
+1 here, although we can shave a bit more off.
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stpeter
MattJ: does "Ditto" mean "It's always an option ;)" for XEP-0261, too? or is that +1 to both? :)
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linuxwolf
I'm +1 on quickstart
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stpeter
Kev: yes, that was a rough "think piece" -- it needs polishing for sure
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MattJ
stpeter, it's +1, with linuxwolf and Kev (provisionally)
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MattJ
I had notes on the XEPs, but they're on my PC at home, I may be able to get hold of them this week
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Kev
ralphm: Quickstart?
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stpeter
ok
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ralphm
+1
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MattJ
But as I recall it was mostly editorial (and I think they may have been long fixed)
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Kev
MattJ: Quickstart?
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ralphm
there seems to be some room for improvement according to some
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MattJ
Quickstart... +1 for acceptance
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Kev
ralphm: Always :)
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Kev
5) http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/mucstatus.html - Experimental?
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MattJ
I haven't read the ML threads on it at all, but I think it's a good start
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Kev
+1 from me.
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MattJ
+1 too
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ralphm
+1. I was wondering if a new namespace is needed but other than that, yay?
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linuxwolf
+1 also
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Kev
Fab.
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stpeter
ralphm: you think we could use an existing namespace?
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Kev
6) Roadmap for the rest of the session.
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stpeter
n/m
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ralphm
stpeter: I believe the conditions would only be used in muc#user
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Kev
I'm not sure what point us having a roadmap serves, really - we'll vote on whatever the XEP Editor puts in front of us :)
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stpeter
haha
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Kev
stpeter: What were you thinking of?
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ralphm
so we could maybe just make <conditions/> and its childs part of that namespace
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stpeter
"what were you thinking?!" :)
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stpeter
Kev: is there anything we'd like to push toward finishing? personally I'd like to at least get the MUC edits done
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MattJ
Well, as a personal roadmap I still want to get archiving officially submitted
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Kev
I'd like to get the MUC edits done, it'd be satisfying end.
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MattJ
I don't think it's far off, I just need to schedule some weekend time to see it through
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stpeter
MattJ: cool
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Kev
Maybe I should get XEP-Correct submitted, it's been deployed for ages now.
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Tobias
ages?
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stpeter
Kev: and Kurt's security labels stuff perhaps
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linuxwolf
/nod
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MattJ
Tobias, internet ages :)
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Kev
Labels are probably ready to advance, yeah.
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MattJ
ie. weeks
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Kev
Months!
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MattJ
*gasp*
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linuxwolf
focus
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Kev
Does anyone have the official end of term date to hand?
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stpeter
Kev: we don't know quite yet, depends on election schedule -- I'd think mid-October
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Kev
OK.
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linuxwolf
it's the meeting before counil/board elections? (-:
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stpeter
ok, those seem like good priorities
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Kev
I'm going to be wanting to miss three sessions starting 31st August, I think.
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Kev
s/sessions/meetings/
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linuxwolf
ok
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MattJ
Ah, ouch, perhaps me too...
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MattJ
Well, starting a little later
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linuxwolf
eek
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stpeter
Tobias: when you're finish with GSoC, perhaps we can try to finish off XEP-0234, too
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stpeter
+ed
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Tobias
sure
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MattJ
I need to look at a calendar, but I don't know if I'll have internet for a couple of weeks from 8th September
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Kev
So perhaps we'll have a couple of weeks off around the start of September, and come back to hurriedly vote everything through at the end of Sept / start of Aug.
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stpeter
MattJ: ok
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stpeter
right
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MattJ
I rather likely shall, but... just in case
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linuxwolf
Kev: you mean start of Oct
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Kev
linuxwolf: Very probably.
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stpeter
BTW I finished with XEP-0045 yesterday -- I'll start poking people for reviews
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ralphm
For me, having Jingle and MUC progress seems reasonable for this term
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stpeter
haha
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Kev
Righty.
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stpeter
that's all from me
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Kev
7) Next meeting
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Kev
Next Wed?
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linuxwolf
wfm
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stpeter
WFM
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linuxwolf
oh, I do have an AOB (-:
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ralphm
aw, man!
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Kev
MattJ / ralphm: next Wed?
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ralphm
+1
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MattJ
+1
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Kev
8) AOB.
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stpeter
sheesh, next Wed is August 24th already?!?
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MattJ
I know :/
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linuxwolf
yup
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ralphm
time flies
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linuxwolf
anyhow...
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linuxwolf
http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/keepalive.html
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linuxwolf
we never did promote this or otherwise
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Kev
~I was told a million times of all the troubles in my way...
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ralphm
ah yes, I chuckle everytime I see this one
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ralphm
not that it is bad, by the way. Just all that added protocol for sending around whitespace
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linuxwolf
/shrug
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ralphm
I am +1 on making this experimental
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MattJ
Part of me thinks we should scrap the negotiation and just leave it up to deployments (which is how it is done now)
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linuxwolf
MattJ: the trick is in-office vs. mobile vs...
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linuxwolf
I suppose one could run a set of connection managers in the "bad" places and another for the rest of us… (-:
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MattJ
I don't think the case is very different, especially when 198 is in play
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MattJ
A dropped connection is a dropped connection
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Kev
So, shall we treat this as a ~vote?
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Kev
I'm not strictly against throwing this up as experimental.
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Kev
I'm not particularly in favour of it either.
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MattJ
Me neither
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MattJ
Who said we need to be more accepting? :)
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linuxwolf
heh
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MattJ
or was it more rejecting?
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Kev
linuxwolf: So what's your position?
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stpeter
I don't have strong feelings about this one -- we'll see if there's energy and interest
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MattJ
Ok, then publish it as experimental and we'll see how it fares
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linuxwolf
I'm +1 to experimental
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MattJ
I see no reason not to, and that's enough for me
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Kev
I don't see a technical reason to block it, so I'm not.
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ralphm
that's that then
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Kev
OK, I guess we should leave it a fortnight for Fritzy to comment or such, given that this fell through the gaps.
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MattJ
Thanks linuxwolf for reviving it :)
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Kev
Or 10 days, or whatever period we decided was right.
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linuxwolf
this was first published a month ago
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ralphm
what linuxwolf syas
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linuxwolf
technically, we're well past that
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ralphm
and I don't think it counts as a DNV
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linuxwolf
and we did discuss it then, too
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Kev
What did we conclude, then?
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ralphm
nobody objected so nobody objecte
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ralphm
d
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linuxwolf
exactly
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linuxwolf
(-:
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Kev
I had remembered discussing it, was surprised it hadn't been actioned (yay, verbs)
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linuxwolf
haha
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Kev
I don't remember what we said at the time, though.
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Kev
In any case, we're done unless someone else has OB.
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linuxwolf
none of us present objected
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linuxwolf
Fritzy had yet to comment
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linuxwolf
and I think Ralphm joined too late to say something (-:
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Kev
Righty.
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stpeter
sigh, I have another conference call after this one :)
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Kev
Yes, publish, then.
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Kev
OK, I'm not hearing any other business, so thanks all.
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linuxwolf
none from me
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linuxwolf
heh
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stpeter
Kev: would you like to buy a "b"?
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stpeter
:)
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linuxwolf
oy vey
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MattJ
:)
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MattJ
Now, one more meeting before I can sleep...
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MattJ
bbl
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stpeter
thanks, guys
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Tobias
on MUC finishing: wasn't there a discussion sometime back on using SASL for logging into protected rooms instead of specifying the plain text password?
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Kev
Tobias: There was a discussion, yes.
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Tobias
Kev, but nothing came out of it, right?
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Kev
Right.
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stpeter
I think that would be an extension
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stpeter
I wrote an email about it at least but the feedback wasn't great :)
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Tobias
yeah...just came to mind while working on something
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stpeter
http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/remote-auth.html
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stpeter
in fact more than an email :)
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stpeter
feedback is welcome
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stpeter
ok, let me review the meeting log here and see what action items are required of the Editor :)
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stpeter
well, apparently we need to wait for Fritzy to weigh in, so no actions for me
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linuxwolf
stpeter: actually, no, we're not waiting for fritzy (-:
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linuxwolf
we had already discussed keepalive at the 7/20 meeting, with no objections from that session
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linuxwolf
s/session/meeting/
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linuxwolf
we're already well past the "no objections" time set by XEP 1
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stpeter
hmm, yes, linuxwolf is right about the keepalive spec
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