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linuxwolf
T −20? just enough time to get caffeine!
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Kev
Yep.
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stpeter
gosh, the identi.ca XMPP interface just seems to be dead, eh?
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Kev
I don't know, I've not dented via XMPP for a long time.
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stpeter
I gave up denting, for the most part
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stpeter
because there's no XMPP interface any longer
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stpeter
might as well just use Twitter at that point
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dwd
I was astonished at how much more productive I became when I turned the XMPP feed off.
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stpeter
dwd: you've become productive?!?
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dwd
stpeter, More productive. Relative, not absolute.
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dwd
Reminds me, I should probably update my Board application, given I have become even more managerial as of today. :-)
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stpeter
dwd: congrats, I hope
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dwd
stpeter, As "VP Engineering (XMPP)", I need that as a Form 538/B, in triplicate.
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dwd
Mind you, no point in updating my board application if nobody else is standing. :-/
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stpeter
dwd: recruitment in progress behind the scenes
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stpeter
I'm also poking people about standing for Council
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Kev
I'll be filling out a Council app at some point.
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stpeter
OT: I'm chatting in another tab with one of the OTR guys, and we're aiming to publish an initial Internet-Draft by the end of October
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Kev
That'd be nice.
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Kev
Get a XEP published and I imagine we'd be interested in putting support in Swift :)
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Kev
Ouch. Kindles just got silly-cheap. So very tempting.
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stpeter
Kev: given that OTR is not an XMPP-specific technology (or even XMPP-friendly at this point, although I hope to influence its direction in that regard), I think the IETF is the right place to publish this spec
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stpeter
did they?
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Kev
stpeter: Right. I was assuming OTR would be RFCd, and then a XEP would explain how to use it for XMPP.
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stpeter
Kev: yes
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Kev
I don't much care if an RFC defines how to use it for XMPP instead.
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stpeter
Kev: or, probably
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Kev
Just that there's an implementable spec.
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stpeter
right :)
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Kev
The article I'm reading says the base Kindle just became $79.
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Kev
Had that happened a fortnight ago I'd have come home with one.
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stpeter
I do think we'd want to at least define more Jabberish ways to discover support for OTR, but that's easy
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dwd
Kev, UK prices haven't appeared to change.
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Kev
dwd: Why would they? :)
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stpeter
perhaps the price change hasn't take effect yet, still $114 at the website
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MattJ
You're brave
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stpeter
I'm the responsible AD so I'm trying to be responsible :)
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Kev
And ... ding.
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Kev
So.
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Kev
1) Roll call
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Kev
I'm here.
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linuxwolf
presente
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ralphm
and me
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MattJ
me too
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Kev
Excellents.
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Kev
2) 258-to-Draft.
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ralphm
eh
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ralphm
agenda?
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Kev
ralphm: Mail thread was called 'Meeting 20110928'.
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ralphm
heh
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ralphm
I meant I want to bash it
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MattJ
Ha
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ralphm
adding FOSDEM to it
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MattJ
AOB? :)
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Kev
Oh. We decided some weeks ago not to bash agendas in the meetings anymore, as you can do that on list prior.
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Kev
Leave it for AOB :)
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stpeter
by "258-to-Draft" you mean "issuing a Last Call", not voting, right?
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Kev
stpeter: I do.
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linuxwolf
(-:
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MattJ
Great, I'm +1 then
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linuxwolf
+1 also
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Kev
Or, rather, I mean "The Author's requested we consider it for advancement to Draft, so we should vote on Last Calling it".
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MattJ
Security labels may become one of my favourite XEPs
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MattJ
I have favourite XEPs, wow.
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ralphm
+1
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Kev
I have a long-standing grumble about hierachies being a nuisance to represent, but I'm +1 on LCing.
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ralphm
MattJ: that took a while
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MattJ
Heh
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ralphm
Kev: nod
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stpeter
this will force me to finally read it carefully
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linuxwolf
heh
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dwd
MattJ, How can you like 258? Not even a prime number.
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Kev
Ok.
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Kev
3) MUC-unique.
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MattJ
Yes...
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ralphm
linuxwolf: you hate trees?
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linuxwolf
well, it's certainly started a conversation at least
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linuxwolf
ralphm: yes, and I demonstrate it by printing XEPs and RFCs
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MattJ
How about we publish it as experimental, and have people put their code where their mouth is? :)
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linuxwolf
I've no objections to accepting it
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Kev
I think I'm the last person who wanted to keep it, and I've finally accepted that it can die.
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linuxwolf
heh
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Kev
But I've no objection to accepting it.
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MattJ
It's not the end of the world if it dies, but I see no reason to when some people are in favour of keeping it
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MattJ
It's already implemented in places, so having that document would be useful regardless
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Kev
It does offer things that client-generated things don't.
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linuxwolf
/nod
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linuxwolf
eh
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ralphm
+1 on accepting MUC-unique
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dwd
FWIW, M-Link implements MUC-unique, but I don't think it needs to be in the core spec.
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linuxwolf
it would be more efficient than what a client can do by itself, but it is possible to do unique rooms with only a client
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ralphm
Although I wondered if we shouldn't just make an iq set for creating the room
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MattJ
linuxwolf, in 99.9999999999% of cases it would be less efficient than the client just making up a room name
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linuxwolf
ralphm: that boat sailed many years ago…unless we work on MUC-NG (-:
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ralphm
linuxwolf: I don't see how it would interfere with XEP-0045
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Kev
linuxwolf: It is possible to make unique rooms with only a client. MUC-Unique lets the server do more than guarantee unique room names, if it so wishes.
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linuxwolf
MattJ: slightly less efficient (-:
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ralphm
now rooms are simply created implicitly
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Kev
In any case. We've all agreed to accept it, so yay.
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linuxwolf
Kev: sure, I get that, but it's not like a client can't make the same guarantees before it displays the room GUI
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ralphm
and there would be no reason add protocol to create rooms explicitly
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Kev
4) Date of next meeting. Peter said he wasn't around next week, I think. Do we want a meeting regardless?
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linuxwolf
I should know, I've implemented that to customers' satisfaction in the past
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linuxwolf
(-:
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ralphm
expecially if you need to do something special for creating unique ones
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ralphm
especially, too
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MattJ
I've no objection to meeting without stpeter if there's stuff to discuss
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linuxwolf
regarding next meeting, next still works for me…if we have something to do
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stpeter
right, I shan't be online then
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MattJ
if stpeter has no objection to us meeting without him, which I suspect he won't :)
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Kev
Ok, shall we plan for next week, and skip it if we lack things that need action.
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linuxwolf
stpeter: staycation afficianado!
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ralphm
+1
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stpeter
MattJ: no objections here
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MattJ
+1
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linuxwolf
+1
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Kev
SBTSBC, then.
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Kev
6) AOB.
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Kev
FOSDEM!
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stpeter
I'll add the meeting to the calendar
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Kev
Thanks.
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ralphm
I'll request a room
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MattJ
Thanks
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Kev
Thanks.
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Kev
Anything else?
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linuxwolf
nay from me
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MattJ
Me neither
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ralphm
Who's planning on going"?
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dwd
To FOSDEM? I will be.
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linuxwolf
I'll have to see
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Kev
I imagine I'll be, short of fluishness.
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MattJ
I'll be going
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stpeter
not sure yet
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MattJ
Kev, it wasn't the same without you... :)
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linuxwolf
(-:
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Kev
I'm sure. 'Not the same' covers a multitude of sins.
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Kev
Ok, I think we're done then.
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MattJ
Heh
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Kev
Thanks all.
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linuxwolf
grazie
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MattJ
Thanks
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Kev
Re: New Kindles.
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Kev
Sems they've now hit the .com and .co.uk websites.
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Kev
So .com now offers for $79
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Kev
and .co.uk now offers for £89.
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dwd
Indeed... I wonder how much the 3G version is.
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Kev
£149
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MattJ
Spotify Premium UK: £10, Spotify Premium US: $10
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Kev
According to the homepage.
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Kev
MattJ: Yes, that's fairly normal.
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Kev
Costing *more* in absolute GBP than USD is quite impressive, though.
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stpeter
yep, http://www.amazon.com/ has been updated here too
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dwd
Oh, I see - this is a new keyboard-less kindle.
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stpeter
which, the Touch?
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Kev
Both.
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Kev
Or all three, rather.
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MattJ
FWIW a Kindle died on me last night
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MattJ
to make matters worse, it wasn't mine
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stpeter
erk
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linuxwolf
/-:
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MattJ
The screen has failed somehow, half of it is frozen and won't update
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linuxwolf
my nookColor is still going strong
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MattJ
I prefer e-ink :)
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stpeter
the books I read never experience screen failure
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linuxwolf
MattJ: I learned to give up and love the LCD (-:
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linuxwolf
it works well enough for me on the bus and at bus stops
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MattJ
stpeter, that's the first thing someone said to me :)
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linuxwolf
which are largely outdoors
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stpeter
:P
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MattJ
Unfortunately the books I wanted to take with me to the US wouldn't fit in my suitcase
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stpeter
MattJ: yeah, there is that
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linuxwolf
/nod
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stpeter
email sent, tweet posted :P
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stpeter
aha, if you want the cheaper prices on the Kindles then you must agree to receive "special offer" screensavers -- advertising FTW
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MattJ
Ha
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ralphm
no such thing as a free lunch
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stpeter
TANSTAAFL, baby!
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linuxwolf
more bikesheds!
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stpeter
well it looks like I'll be around for next week's Council meeting, change of PTO plans...
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linuxwolf
oh no
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ralphm
let's paint it red
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stpeter
bbiaf
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