XMPP Council - 2011-09-28

T −20? just enough time to get caffeine!

Yep.

gosh, the identi.ca XMPP interface just seems to be dead, eh?

I don't know, I've not dented via XMPP for a long time.

I gave up denting, for the most part

because there's no XMPP interface any longer

might as well just use Twitter at that point

I was astonished at how much more productive I became when I turned the XMPP feed off.

dwd: you've become productive?!?

stpeter, More productive. Relative, not absolute.

Reminds me, I should probably update my Board application, given I have become even more managerial as of today. :-)

dwd: congrats, I hope

stpeter, As "VP Engineering (XMPP)", I need that as a Form 538/B, in triplicate.

Mind you, no point in updating my board application if nobody else is standing. :-/

dwd: recruitment in progress behind the scenes

I'm also poking people about standing for Council

I'll be filling out a Council app at some point.

OT: I'm chatting in another tab with one of the OTR guys, and we're aiming to publish an initial Internet-Draft by the end of October

That'd be nice.

Get a XEP published and I imagine we'd be interested in putting support in Swift :)

Ouch. Kindles just got silly-cheap. So very tempting.

Kev: given that OTR is not an XMPP-specific technology (or even XMPP-friendly at this point, although I hope to influence its direction in that regard), I think the IETF is the right place to publish this spec

did they?

stpeter: Right. I was assuming OTR would be RFCd, and then a XEP would explain how to use it for XMPP.

Kev: yes

I don't much care if an RFC defines how to use it for XMPP instead.

Kev: or, probably

Just that there's an implementable spec.

right :)

The article I'm reading says the base Kindle just became $79.

Had that happened a fortnight ago I'd have come home with one.

I do think we'd want to at least define more Jabberish ways to discover support for OTR, but that's easy

Kev, UK prices haven't appeared to change.

dwd: Why would they? :)

perhaps the price change hasn't take effect yet, still $114 at the website

You're brave

I'm the responsible AD so I'm trying to be responsible :)

And ... ding.

So.

1) Roll call

I'm here.

presente

and me

me too

Excellents.

2) 258-to-Draft.

eh

agenda?

ralphm: Mail thread was called 'Meeting 20110928'.

heh

I meant I want to bash it

Ha

adding FOSDEM to it

AOB? :)

Oh. We decided some weeks ago not to bash agendas in the meetings anymore, as you can do that on list prior.

Leave it for AOB :)

by "258-to-Draft" you mean "issuing a Last Call", not voting, right?

stpeter: I do.

(-:

Great, I'm +1 then

+1 also

Or, rather, I mean "The Author's requested we consider it for advancement to Draft, so we should vote on Last Calling it".

Security labels may become one of my favourite XEPs

I have favourite XEPs, wow.

+1

I have a long-standing grumble about hierachies being a nuisance to represent, but I'm +1 on LCing.

MattJ: that took a while

Heh

Kev: nod

this will force me to finally read it carefully

heh

MattJ, How can you like 258? Not even a prime number.

Ok.

3) MUC-unique.

Yes...

linuxwolf: you hate trees?

well, it's certainly started a conversation at least

ralphm: yes, and I demonstrate it by printing XEPs and RFCs

How about we publish it as experimental, and have people put their code where their mouth is? :)

I've no objections to accepting it

I think I'm the last person who wanted to keep it, and I've finally accepted that it can die.

heh

But I've no objection to accepting it.

It's not the end of the world if it dies, but I see no reason to when some people are in favour of keeping it

It's already implemented in places, so having that document would be useful regardless

It does offer things that client-generated things don't.

/nod

eh

+1 on accepting MUC-unique

FWIW, M-Link implements MUC-unique, but I don't think it needs to be in the core spec.

it would be more efficient than what a client can do by itself, but it is possible to do unique rooms with only a client

Although I wondered if we shouldn't just make an iq set for creating the room

linuxwolf, in 99.9999999999% of cases it would be less efficient than the client just making up a room name

ralphm: that boat sailed many years ago…unless we work on MUC-NG (-:

linuxwolf: I don't see how it would interfere with XEP-0045

linuxwolf: It is possible to make unique rooms with only a client. MUC-Unique lets the server do more than guarantee unique room names, if it so wishes.

MattJ: slightly less efficient (-:

now rooms are simply created implicitly

In any case. We've all agreed to accept it, so yay.

Kev: sure, I get that, but it's not like a client can't make the same guarantees before it displays the room GUI

and there would be no reason add protocol to create rooms explicitly

4) Date of next meeting. Peter said he wasn't around next week, I think. Do we want a meeting regardless?

I should know, I've implemented that to customers' satisfaction in the past

(-:

expecially if you need to do something special for creating unique ones

especially, too

I've no objection to meeting without stpeter if there's stuff to discuss

regarding next meeting, next still works for me…if we have something to do

right, I shan't be online then

if stpeter has no objection to us meeting without him, which I suspect he won't :)

Ok, shall we plan for next week, and skip it if we lack things that need action.

stpeter: staycation afficianado!

+1

MattJ: no objections here

+1

+1

SBTSBC, then.

6) AOB.

FOSDEM!

I'll add the meeting to the calendar

Thanks.

I'll request a room

Thanks

Thanks.

Anything else?

nay from me

Me neither

Who's planning on going"?

To FOSDEM? I will be.

I'll have to see

I imagine I'll be, short of fluishness.

I'll be going

not sure yet

Kev, it wasn't the same without you... :)

(-:

I'm sure. 'Not the same' covers a multitude of sins.

Ok, I think we're done then.

Heh

Thanks all.

grazie

Thanks

Re: New Kindles.

Sems they've now hit the .com and .co.uk websites.

So .com now offers for $79

and .co.uk now offers for £89.

Indeed... I wonder how much the 3G version is.

£149

Spotify Premium UK: £10, Spotify Premium US: $10

According to the homepage.

MattJ: Yes, that's fairly normal.

Costing *more* in absolute GBP than USD is quite impressive, though.

yep, http://www.amazon.com/ has been updated here too

Oh, I see - this is a new keyboard-less kindle.

which, the Touch?

Both.

Or all three, rather.

FWIW a Kindle died on me last night

to make matters worse, it wasn't mine

erk

/-:

The screen has failed somehow, half of it is frozen and won't update

my nookColor is still going strong

I prefer e-ink :)

the books I read never experience screen failure

MattJ: I learned to give up and love the LCD (-:

it works well enough for me on the bus and at bus stops

stpeter, that's the first thing someone said to me :)

which are largely outdoors

:P

Unfortunately the books I wanted to take with me to the US wouldn't fit in my suitcase

MattJ: yeah, there is that

/nod

email sent, tweet posted :P

aha, if you want the cheaper prices on the Kindles then you must agree to receive "special offer" screensavers -- advertising FTW

Ha

no such thing as a free lunch

TANSTAAFL, baby!

more bikesheds!

well it looks like I'll be around for next week's Council meeting, change of PTO plans...

oh no

let's paint it red

bbiaf