XMPP Council - 2012-02-08

Kev, so what's on todays agenda...seems i can't make it today

?

stpeter, yeah?!?!

according to the calendar, there is

Tobias: correct

Tobias: I'm quite jetlagged, but I can participate today

I almost forgot

Kev did send out an agenda

2) Obsoleting XEP-0237

yeah...deprecating roster versioning...it's deprecated if not changed for a year

ahh..obsoleting...got that wrong

well, it starts with deprecated, then goes to obsoleting … technically

is experimental, right?

well right

it's draft, actually

but doesn't obsoleting/deprecating happen automatically?

but 190, 192, 193, and 237 were all effectively obsoleted by publication of the RFCs

Tobias: that's deferring

stpeter, ahh..versioning got added to the RFCs

right

ok..then it makes sense to obsolete it

Tobias: yes, it's in RFC 6121

I'm here

oh, it's time

16:01Z

16:00 UTC

right..hammertime

STOP!

heh

ok, well … Kev's away

anyone object to me running in Kev's absence?

sure

go ahead

no objections from me

grazie

ok

1) Roll call

presente

here

ralphm: still with us?

just pinged MattJ

yeah

grazie … was just about to do that

and MattJ is now with us

ok

Present :)

2) Obsolete 237

+1

+1

technically, it should move to Deprecated first

that's stupid

as it was obsoleted by a followup spec

(an RFC in this case)

+1

let's say the vote is for both deprecated and obsolete

I move we skip that step

+1

+1

Heh, +1 :)

+1

we'll give Kev a fortnight to vote onlist

right

3) AOB

FOSDEM report

stpeter?

or ralphm — go ahead!

ok

BTW http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0190.html should be moved to Obsolete too

well also 192 and 193

the latter two are Deprecated

one AOB at a time please (-:

but we never Deprecated 190a nd 237

just FYI :)

/nod

stpeter: noted

So FOSDEM

We had a splendid long weekend

(someone at the Summit started implementing roster versioning based on XEP-0237...)

heh

I missed the the friday

BTW I updated the FOSDEM / Summit notes on the plane yesterday

but the Devroom was packed as ever

nice

and /-: on 237

ralphm, was it a larger room this time?

and the new location and set up of our real-time lounge was awesome

especially as a first start

Tobias: 100 seats

Tobias: and also stricter rules on not standing in the paths/sides

Tobias: so no

ah..ok

We had that room the year before last, no?

It was a different room

Hmm, ok

Last year we were in AW

do they have bigger dev rooms at all?

they do

but there are over 2x as many applicant projects than rooms

we don't really have a say in it

I think it was fine, though

http://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/summit/2012-February/001084.html

noted

updated notes

We might shoot for one main-track speaker next year, instead of wanting a bigger room

stpeter: many thanks for that

For next year we'll probably do some things better/different

oh yes

see stpeter's notes

yes

also, we might want to think about moving the 'monday' to thursday instead

i.e. 2 days before FOSDEM

those are notes from the piratepad, but I did the majority of the scribing, I think

that leaves us less tired and late on monday

ralphm, what's the logic behind that?

ralphm: we talked about that on Monday night

Ok

(at the "meating")

stpeter: yeah, intosi mentioned this

I think it's a good idea

almost sorry I missed out

heh

Urgh.

I mean, we effectively used about 4 hours on monday

well, no, I am sorry I missed out

which could be done better

so we'd have the Summit on Thursday and Friday

(Kev appears)

Sorry, was out and couldn't get away.

no worries … we started without you (-:

stpeter: nod

Right.

1) Here, late. 2) Yes, get rid of it.

3) Thu/Fri seems better than Fri/Mon.

linuxwolf: Happy for you to finish up with it :)

ok then (-:

I assume most of the improvement notes will come up in board soonish

anything else on FOSDEM

thanks everyone!

Is anyone writing up technical notes?

+1 :)

linuxwolf: not really, see the notes I posted

yes

and next year I'd really like to at least audio-record the talks

MattJ: nod

I know it takes someone to step up and do that, but I think I can

I can write up a summary if no-one else is.

Kev: I'm working on council notes as we speak, stpeter posted Summit notes on list

And yes, thanks to everyone who arranged stuff.

Ah, great.

ok, moving on

Maybe we should put up a wiki page on this

3.2) Obsolete 190

so that improvements can be added there

not a bad idea, anyone willing to take that on?

+1 on deprecating and deleting 190

190 is covered by 6120 now, is it?

Kev: yes

It's more or less replaced by 6120

eh, obsoleting, hehe

+1 on deprecating and obsoleting

I should probably check 6120 before I vote on this, will do on list.

notes

noted even

as mentioned above, when the new RFCs were published we deprecated 192 and 193, but neglected to deprecate 190 and 237

Tobias?

yeah?

+1 on obsoleting

grazie!

MattJ?

on list, or do you have a position now?

I'm +1

grazie

3.3) Obsolete 192

+1

again, replaced by RFC 6120

+1

I'm +1 also

+1

Tobias: your vote?

ü1

+1

(-:

3.4) Obsolete 193

+1

+1

yet again, replaced by RFC 6120

+1 also

+1

+1

ok

and one last item ...

I finally put my vote on XEP-0045, so I believe it's good to be updated now

publish 1.25 rather

nod

Yep, saw that, thanks.

yay

finally

For next time, maybe we should discuss if we want to do something about the lenght of XEP-0060 (and maybe other specs)

let's try not to let that happen again (-:

You're not alone. I'm hoping to be human again tomorrow.

this came up at FOSDEM

although I'm afraid there's a large backlog for 60

ralphm: right

/nod

I think we could move lots of the management stuff to separate specs for both 45 and 60

right

So I'd like to put that on the agenda

for next week or so

noted in minutes

ralphm: Put what on the agenda, particularly?

Kev: the discussion on that

Just a discussion, ok.

4) DateTime of next meeting

unless there was more AOB?

it didn't read like it, though

AOB: Thanks linuxwolf for chairing in my lateness.

DateTime: +1week.

(-:

I'll bring up more AOB stuff next week

works for me

+1

wfm

so next meeting 2012-02-15T16:00Z

stpeter: if you have agenda points, that's not quite AOB :-D

I think you all need to recover first

and we're at the bell now

right

Right.

if nothing crucial ...

Not here.

ralphm: right, agenda items

linuxwolf: bang it

so are we done?

yay

(-:

Thanks all, thanks linuxwolf.

thanks all!

no problem

MattJ and Kev: would you like to review my updates to XEP-0300 before I push it out?

thx

I'll have the notes out after I get through my meetings

linuxwolf: Are you ok with sending out minutes?

Great, thanks.

which I'm already late for!

stpeter: Happy to do so, but don't think it's necessary. I'll shout if I object to them :)

ok! :)

cya

stpeter, sure

stpeter, btw, when you get around to XEP-0060... I have a bit of feedback I've been collecting, and probably will have more as I flesh out the pubsub support in Prosody

MattJ: I have a lot of feedback to incorporate :)

MattJ: we didn't discuss "other uses of message forwarding" in Brussels, but it seems to me that http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0297.html might be ready for a last call (will ask for agenda time next week)

Sure

MattJ: could you send that to the pubsub ml?

Sure

do we still not have room logs?

nevermind … answered my own question!

:)