XMPP Council - 2012-02-08

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  2. Tobias Kev, so what's on todays agenda...seems i can't make it today
  3. Tobias ?
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  9. stpeter blearily wonders if there truly is a Council meeting today :)
  10. Tobias stpeter, yeah?!?!
  11. stpeter also wonders why Firefox won't load on his machine anymore
  12. Tobias according to the calendar, there is
  13. stpeter Tobias: correct
  14. stpeter Tobias: I'm quite jetlagged, but I can participate today
  15. linuxwolf I almost forgot
  16. linuxwolf Kev did send out an agenda
  17. stpeter looks among the 3000 messages in his inbox
  18. linuxwolf 2) Obsoleting XEP-0237
  19. Tobias yeah...deprecating roster versioning...it's deprecated if not changed for a year
  20. Tobias ahh..obsoleting...got that wrong
  21. linuxwolf well, it starts with deprecated, then goes to obsoleting … technically
  22. Tobias is experimental, right?
  23. stpeter well right
  24. linuxwolf it's draft, actually
  25. Tobias but doesn't obsoleting/deprecating happen automatically?
  26. stpeter but 190, 192, 193, and 237 were all effectively obsoleted by publication of the RFCs
  27. stpeter Tobias: that's deferring
  28. Tobias stpeter, ahh..versioning got added to the RFCs
  29. linuxwolf right
  30. Tobias ok..then it makes sense to obsolete it
  31. stpeter Tobias: yes, it's in RFC 6121
  32. ralphm I'm here
  33. linuxwolf oh, it's time
  34. stpeter has no idea what time it is :)
  35. linuxwolf 16:01Z
  36. ralphm 16:00 UTC
  37. Tobias right..hammertime
  38. ralphm STOP!
  39. linuxwolf heh
  40. linuxwolf ok, well … Kev's away
  41. linuxwolf anyone object to me running in Kev's absence?
  42. ralphm sure
  43. ralphm go ahead
  44. Tobias no objections from me
  45. linuxwolf grazie
  46. linuxwolf ok
  47. linuxwolf 1) Roll call
  48. linuxwolf presente
  49. Tobias here
  50. linuxwolf ralphm: still with us?
  51. stpeter just pinged MattJ
  52. ralphm yeah
  53. linuxwolf grazie … was just about to do that
  54. MattJ has joined
  55. linuxwolf and MattJ is now with us
  56. linuxwolf ok
  57. MattJ Present :)
  58. linuxwolf 2) Obsolete 237
  59. ralphm +1
  60. MattJ +1
  61. linuxwolf technically, it should move to Deprecated first
  62. ralphm that's stupid
  63. ralphm as it was obsoleted by a followup spec
  64. ralphm (an RFC in this case)
  65. Tobias +1
  66. linuxwolf let's say the vote is for both deprecated and obsolete
  67. ralphm I move we skip that step
  68. linuxwolf +1
  69. ralphm +1
  70. MattJ Heh, +1 :)
  71. Tobias +1
  72. linuxwolf goes takes note
  73. linuxwolf we'll give Kev a fortnight to vote onlist
  74. ralphm right
  75. linuxwolf 3) AOB
  76. ralphm FOSDEM report
  77. linuxwolf stpeter?
  78. linuxwolf or ralphm — go ahead!
  79. ralphm ok
  80. stpeter BTW http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0190.html should be moved to Obsolete too
  81. stpeter well also 192 and 193
  82. stpeter the latter two are Deprecated
  83. linuxwolf one AOB at a time please (-:
  84. stpeter but we never Deprecated 190a nd 237
  85. stpeter just FYI :)
  86. linuxwolf /nod
  87. ralphm stpeter: noted
  88. ralphm So FOSDEM
  89. ralphm We had a splendid long weekend
  90. stpeter (someone at the Summit started implementing roster versioning based on XEP-0237...)
  91. stpeter heh
  92. ralphm I missed the the friday
  93. stpeter BTW I updated the FOSDEM / Summit notes on the plane yesterday
  94. ralphm but the Devroom was packed as ever
  95. linuxwolf nice
  96. linuxwolf and /-: on 237
  97. Tobias ralphm, was it a larger room this time?
  98. ralphm and the new location and set up of our real-time lounge was awesome
  99. ralphm especially as a first start
  100. ralphm Tobias: 100 seats
  101. ralphm Tobias: and also stricter rules on not standing in the paths/sides
  102. ralphm Tobias: so no
  103. Tobias ah..ok
  104. MattJ We had that room the year before last, no?
  105. ralphm It was a different room
  106. MattJ Hmm, ok
  107. ralphm Last year we were in AW
  108. Tobias do they have bigger dev rooms at all?
  109. ralphm they do
  110. ralphm but there are over 2x as many applicant projects than rooms
  111. ralphm we don't really have a say in it
  112. ralphm I think it was fine, though
  113. stpeter http://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/summit/2012-February/001084.html
  114. linuxwolf noted
  115. stpeter updated notes
  116. ralphm We might shoot for one main-track speaker next year, instead of wanting a bigger room
  117. ralphm stpeter: many thanks for that
  118. ralphm For next year we'll probably do some things better/different
  119. stpeter oh yes
  120. ralphm see stpeter's notes
  121. stpeter yes
  122. ralphm also, we might want to think about moving the 'monday' to thursday instead
  123. ralphm i.e. 2 days before FOSDEM
  124. stpeter those are notes from the piratepad, but I did the majority of the scribing, I think
  125. ralphm that leaves us less tired and late on monday
  126. MattJ ralphm, what's the logic behind that?
  127. stpeter ralphm: we talked about that on Monday night
  128. MattJ Ok
  129. stpeter (at the "meating")
  130. ralphm stpeter: yeah, intosi mentioned this
  131. stpeter I think it's a good idea
  132. linuxwolf almost sorry I missed out
  133. stpeter heh
  134. Kev Urgh.
  135. ralphm I mean, we effectively used about 4 hours on monday
  136. linuxwolf well, no, I am sorry I missed out
  137. ralphm which could be done better
  138. stpeter so we'd have the Summit on Thursday and Friday
  139. linuxwolf (Kev appears)
  140. Kev Sorry, was out and couldn't get away.
  141. linuxwolf no worries … we started without you (-:
  142. ralphm stpeter: nod
  143. Kev Right.
  144. Kev 1) Here, late. 2) Yes, get rid of it.
  145. linuxwolf hands gavel back to Kev
  146. Kev 3) Thu/Fri seems better than Fri/Mon.
  147. Kev linuxwolf: Happy for you to finish up with it :)
  148. linuxwolf ok then (-:
  149. ralphm I assume most of the improvement notes will come up in board soonish
  150. linuxwolf anything else on FOSDEM
  151. ralphm thanks everyone!
  152. Kev Is anyone writing up technical notes?
  153. MattJ +1 :)
  154. stpeter linuxwolf: not really, see the notes I posted
  155. linuxwolf yes
  156. MattJ and next year I'd really like to at least audio-record the talks
  157. ralphm MattJ: nod
  158. MattJ I know it takes someone to step up and do that, but I think I can
  159. Kev I can write up a summary if no-one else is.
  160. linuxwolf Kev: I'm working on council notes as we speak, stpeter posted Summit notes on list
  161. Kev And yes, thanks to everyone who arranged stuff.
  162. Kev Ah, great.
  163. linuxwolf ok, moving on
  164. ralphm Maybe we should put up a wiki page on this
  165. linuxwolf 3.2) Obsolete 190
  166. ralphm so that improvements can be added there
  167. linuxwolf not a bad idea, anyone willing to take that on?
  168. ralphm +1 on deprecating and deleting 190
  169. Kev 190 is covered by 6120 now, is it?
  170. stpeter Kev: yes
  171. linuxwolf It's more or less replaced by 6120
  172. ralphm eh, obsoleting, hehe
  173. linuxwolf +1 on deprecating and obsoleting
  174. Kev I should probably check 6120 before I vote on this, will do on list.
  175. linuxwolf notes
  176. linuxwolf noted even
  177. stpeter as mentioned above, when the new RFCs were published we deprecated 192 and 193, but neglected to deprecate 190 and 237
  178. linuxwolf Tobias?
  179. Tobias yeah?
  180. Tobias +1 on obsoleting
  181. linuxwolf grazie!
  182. linuxwolf MattJ?
  183. linuxwolf on list, or do you have a position now?
  184. MattJ I'm +1
  185. linuxwolf grazie
  186. linuxwolf 3.3) Obsolete 192
  187. ralphm +1
  188. linuxwolf again, replaced by RFC 6120
  189. Kev +1
  190. linuxwolf I'm +1 also
  191. MattJ +1
  192. linuxwolf Tobias: your vote?
  193. Tobias ü1
  194. Tobias +1
  195. linuxwolf (-:
  196. linuxwolf 3.4) Obsolete 193
  197. Kev +1
  198. ralphm +1
  199. linuxwolf yet again, replaced by RFC 6120
  200. linuxwolf +1 also
  201. MattJ +1
  202. Tobias +1
  203. linuxwolf ok
  204. linuxwolf and one last item ...
  205. linuxwolf I finally put my vote on XEP-0045, so I believe it's good to be updated now
  206. linuxwolf publish 1.25 rather
  207. ralphm nod
  208. Kev Yep, saw that, thanks.
  209. stpeter yay
  210. linuxwolf finally
  211. stpeter is too tired to cheer enthusiastically :)
  212. ralphm For next time, maybe we should discuss if we want to do something about the lenght of XEP-0060 (and maybe other specs)
  213. linuxwolf let's try not to let that happen again (-:
  214. Kev You're not alone. I'm hoping to be human again tomorrow.
  215. ralphm this came up at FOSDEM
  216. linuxwolf although I'm afraid there's a large backlog for 60
  217. stpeter ralphm: right
  218. linuxwolf /nod
  219. stpeter I think we could move lots of the management stuff to separate specs for both 45 and 60
  220. ralphm right
  221. ralphm So I'd like to put that on the agenda
  222. ralphm for next week or so
  223. linuxwolf noted in minutes
  224. Kev ralphm: Put what on the agenda, particularly?
  225. ralphm Kev: the discussion on that
  226. Kev Just a discussion, ok.
  227. linuxwolf 4) DateTime of next meeting
  228. linuxwolf unless there was more AOB?
  229. linuxwolf it didn't read like it, though
  230. Kev AOB: Thanks linuxwolf for chairing in my lateness.
  231. Kev DateTime: +1week.
  232. linuxwolf (-:
  233. stpeter I'll bring up more AOB stuff next week
  234. linuxwolf works for me
  235. MattJ +1
  236. Tobias wfm
  237. linuxwolf so next meeting 2012-02-15T16:00Z
  238. ralphm stpeter: if you have agenda points, that's not quite AOB :-D
  239. linuxwolf I think you all need to recover first
  240. linuxwolf and we're at the bell now
  241. ralphm right
  242. Kev Right.
  243. linuxwolf if nothing crucial ...
  244. Kev Not here.
  245. stpeter ralphm: right, agenda items
  246. ralphm linuxwolf: bang it
  247. linuxwolf bangs gavel
  248. Tobias so are we done?
  249. Tobias yay
  250. linuxwolf (-:
  251. Kev Thanks all, thanks linuxwolf.
  252. ralphm thanks all!
  253. linuxwolf no problem
  254. stpeter MattJ and Kev: would you like to review my updates to XEP-0300 before I push it out?
  255. Tobias thx
  256. linuxwolf I'll have the notes out after I get through my meetings
  257. Kev linuxwolf: Are you ok with sending out minutes?
  258. Kev Great, thanks.
  259. linuxwolf which I'm already late for!
  260. Kev stpeter: Happy to do so, but don't think it's necessary. I'll shout if I object to them :)
  261. stpeter ok! :)
  262. Tobias cya
  263. MattJ stpeter, sure
  264. MattJ stpeter, btw, when you get around to XEP-0060... I have a bit of feedback I've been collecting, and probably will have more as I flesh out the pubsub support in Prosody
  265. stpeter MattJ: I have a lot of feedback to incorporate :)
  266. stpeter MattJ: we didn't discuss "other uses of message forwarding" in Brussels, but it seems to me that http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0297.html might be ready for a last call (will ask for agenda time next week)
  267. MattJ Sure
  268. ralphm MattJ: could you send that to the pubsub ml?
  269. MattJ Sure
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  272. linuxwolf do we still not have room logs?
  273. linuxwolf nevermind … answered my own question!
  274. stpeter :)
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