XMPP Council - 2012-02-08

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12:40:34 Tobias Kev, so what's on todays agenda...seems i can't make it today
12:40:42 Tobias ?
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15:50:12 stpeter blearily wonders if there truly is a Council meeting today :)
15:51:34 Tobias stpeter, yeah?!?!
15:51:35 stpeter also wonders why Firefox won't load on his machine anymore
15:51:38 Tobias according to the calendar, there is
15:51:45 stpeter Tobias: correct
15:51:59 stpeter Tobias: I'm quite jetlagged, but I can participate today
15:55:17 linuxwolf I almost forgot
15:55:36 linuxwolf Kev did send out an agenda
15:55:56 stpeter looks among the 3000 messages in his inbox
15:56:13 linuxwolf 2) Obsoleting XEP-0237
15:56:16 Tobias yeah...deprecating roster versioning...it's deprecated if not changed for a year
15:56:39 Tobias ahh..obsoleting...got that wrong
15:57:00 linuxwolf well, it starts with deprecated, then goes to obsoleting … technically
15:59:24 Tobias is experimental, right?
15:59:45 stpeter well right
15:59:46 linuxwolf it's draft, actually
16:00:15 Tobias but doesn't obsoleting/deprecating happen automatically?
16:00:18 stpeter but 190, 192, 193, and 237 were all effectively obsoleted by publication of the RFCs
16:00:24 stpeter Tobias: that's deferring
16:01:00 Tobias stpeter, ahh..versioning got added to the RFCs
16:01:13 linuxwolf right
16:01:19 Tobias ok..then it makes sense to obsolete it
16:01:51 stpeter Tobias: yes, it's in RFC 6121
16:01:55 ralphm I'm here
16:02:09 linuxwolf oh, it's time
16:03:08 stpeter has no idea what time it is :)
16:03:25 linuxwolf 16:01Z
16:03:25 ralphm 16:00 UTC
16:03:36 Tobias right..hammertime
16:03:41 ralphm STOP!
16:03:43 linuxwolf heh
16:04:32 linuxwolf ok, well … Kev's away
16:04:36 linuxwolf anyone object to me running in Kev's absence?
16:04:42 ralphm sure
16:04:46 ralphm go ahead
16:04:49 Tobias no objections from me
16:05:02 linuxwolf grazie
16:05:02 linuxwolf ok
16:05:07 linuxwolf 1) Roll call
16:05:10 linuxwolf presente
16:05:14 Tobias here
16:05:46 linuxwolf ralphm: still with us?
16:06:00 stpeter just pinged MattJ
16:06:11 ralphm yeah
16:06:11 linuxwolf grazie … was just about to do that
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16:06:33 linuxwolf and MattJ is now with us
16:06:43 linuxwolf ok
16:06:45 MattJ Present :)
16:06:51 linuxwolf 2) Obsolete 237
16:06:55 ralphm +1
16:06:58 MattJ +1
16:07:12 linuxwolf technically, it should move to Deprecated first
16:07:18 ralphm that's stupid
16:07:32 ralphm as it was obsoleted by a followup spec
16:07:37 ralphm (an RFC in this case)
16:07:41 Tobias +1
16:07:46 linuxwolf let's say the vote is for both deprecated and obsolete
16:07:50 ralphm I move we skip that step
16:07:52 linuxwolf +1
16:07:56 ralphm +1
16:08:00 MattJ Heh, +1 :)
16:08:04 Tobias +1
16:08:11 linuxwolf goes takes note
16:08:22 linuxwolf we'll give Kev a fortnight to vote onlist
16:08:29 ralphm right
16:08:42 linuxwolf 3) AOB
16:08:47 ralphm FOSDEM report
16:08:47 linuxwolf stpeter?
16:08:58 linuxwolf or ralphm — go ahead!
16:09:03 ralphm ok
16:09:04 stpeter BTW http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0190.html should be moved to Obsolete too
16:09:10 stpeter well also 192 and 193
16:09:16 stpeter the latter two are Deprecated
16:09:19 linuxwolf one AOB at a time please (-:
16:09:26 stpeter but we never Deprecated 190a nd 237
16:09:28 stpeter just FYI :)
16:09:29 linuxwolf /nod
16:09:33 ralphm stpeter: noted
16:09:38 ralphm So FOSDEM
16:09:48 ralphm We had a splendid long weekend
16:09:53 stpeter (someone at the Summit started implementing roster versioning based on XEP-0237...)
16:09:55 stpeter heh
16:09:55 ralphm I missed the the friday
16:10:10 stpeter BTW I updated the FOSDEM / Summit notes on the plane yesterday
16:10:11 ralphm but the Devroom was packed as ever
16:10:28 linuxwolf nice
16:10:32 linuxwolf and /-: on 237
16:10:32 Tobias ralphm, was it a larger room this time?
16:10:39 ralphm and the new location and set up of our real-time lounge was awesome
16:10:45 ralphm especially as a first start
16:10:49 ralphm Tobias: 100 seats
16:11:11 ralphm Tobias: and also stricter rules on not standing in the paths/sides
16:11:18 ralphm Tobias: so no
16:11:26 Tobias ah..ok
16:11:30 MattJ We had that room the year before last, no?
16:11:40 ralphm It was a different room
16:11:43 MattJ Hmm, ok
16:11:45 ralphm Last year we were in AW
16:11:45 Tobias do they have bigger dev rooms at all?
16:11:49 ralphm they do
16:12:04 ralphm but there are over 2x as many applicant projects than rooms
16:12:25 ralphm we don't really have a say in it
16:12:34 ralphm I think it was fine, though
16:12:57 stpeter http://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/summit/2012-February/001084.html
16:13:02 linuxwolf noted
16:13:02 stpeter updated notes
16:13:11 ralphm We might shoot for one main-track speaker next year, instead of wanting a bigger room
16:13:21 ralphm stpeter: many thanks for that
16:14:16 ralphm For next year we'll probably do some things better/different
16:14:56 stpeter oh yes
16:14:57 ralphm see stpeter's notes
16:15:03 stpeter yes
16:15:15 ralphm also, we might want to think about moving the 'monday' to thursday instead
16:15:21 ralphm i.e. 2 days before FOSDEM
16:15:31 stpeter those are notes from the piratepad, but I did the majority of the scribing, I think
16:15:37 ralphm that leaves us less tired and late on monday
16:15:39 MattJ ralphm, what's the logic behind that?
16:15:39 stpeter ralphm: we talked about that on Monday night
16:15:45 MattJ Ok
16:15:47 stpeter (at the "meating")
16:15:55 ralphm stpeter: yeah, intosi mentioned this
16:15:57 stpeter I think it's a good idea
16:16:32 linuxwolf almost sorry I missed out
16:16:39 stpeter heh
16:16:41 Kev Urgh.
16:16:42 ralphm I mean, we effectively used about 4 hours on monday
16:16:43 linuxwolf well, no, I am sorry I missed out
16:16:46 ralphm which could be done better
16:16:48 stpeter so we'd have the Summit on Thursday and Friday
16:16:48 linuxwolf (Kev appears)
16:16:53 Kev Sorry, was out and couldn't get away.
16:17:06 linuxwolf no worries … we started without you (-:
16:17:09 ralphm stpeter: nod
16:17:41 Kev Right.
16:17:48 Kev 1) Here, late. 2) Yes, get rid of it.
16:17:56 linuxwolf hands gavel back to Kev
16:18:01 Kev 3) Thu/Fri seems better than Fri/Mon.
16:18:14 Kev linuxwolf: Happy for you to finish up with it :)
16:18:56 linuxwolf ok then (-:
16:18:58 ralphm I assume most of the improvement notes will come up in board soonish
16:19:00 linuxwolf anything else on FOSDEM
16:19:20 ralphm thanks everyone!
16:19:24 Kev Is anyone writing up technical notes?
16:19:25 MattJ +1 :)
16:19:27 stpeter linuxwolf: not really, see the notes I posted
16:19:27 linuxwolf yes
16:19:31 MattJ and next year I'd really like to at least audio-record the talks
16:19:38 ralphm MattJ: nod
16:19:40 MattJ I know it takes someone to step up and do that, but I think I can
16:19:52 Kev I can write up a summary if no-one else is.
16:19:55 linuxwolf Kev: I'm working on council notes as we speak, stpeter posted Summit notes on list
16:19:57 Kev And yes, thanks to everyone who arranged stuff.
16:20:00 Kev Ah, great.
16:20:17 linuxwolf ok, moving on
16:20:26 ralphm Maybe we should put up a wiki page on this
16:20:29 linuxwolf 3.2) Obsolete 190
16:20:33 ralphm so that improvements can be added there
16:21:00 linuxwolf not a bad idea, anyone willing to take that on?
16:21:09 ralphm +1 on deprecating and deleting 190
16:21:27 Kev 190 is covered by 6120 now, is it?
16:21:31 stpeter Kev: yes
16:21:34 linuxwolf It's more or less replaced by 6120
16:21:47 ralphm eh, obsoleting, hehe
16:22:08 linuxwolf +1 on deprecating and obsoleting
16:22:08 Kev I should probably check 6120 before I vote on this, will do on list.
16:22:14 linuxwolf notes
16:22:16 linuxwolf noted even
16:22:44 stpeter as mentioned above, when the new RFCs were published we deprecated 192 and 193, but neglected to deprecate 190 and 237
16:22:59 linuxwolf Tobias?
16:23:02 Tobias yeah?
16:23:07 Tobias +1 on obsoleting
16:23:11 linuxwolf grazie!
16:23:37 linuxwolf MattJ?
16:23:46 linuxwolf on list, or do you have a position now?
16:24:02 MattJ I'm +1
16:24:20 linuxwolf grazie
16:24:33 linuxwolf 3.3) Obsolete 192
16:24:44 ralphm +1
16:24:46 linuxwolf again, replaced by RFC 6120
16:24:50 Kev +1
16:24:54 linuxwolf I'm +1 also
16:24:56 MattJ +1
16:25:15 linuxwolf Tobias: your vote?
16:25:35 Tobias ü1
16:25:36 Tobias +1
16:25:40 linuxwolf (-:
16:25:48 linuxwolf 3.4) Obsolete 193
16:26:05 Kev +1
16:26:15 ralphm +1
16:26:17 linuxwolf yet again, replaced by RFC 6120
16:26:20 linuxwolf +1 also
16:26:30 MattJ +1
16:26:33 Tobias +1
16:26:39 linuxwolf ok
16:26:45 linuxwolf and one last item ...
16:27:05 linuxwolf I finally put my vote on XEP-0045, so I believe it's good to be updated now
16:27:15 linuxwolf publish 1.25 rather
16:27:49 ralphm nod
16:27:52 Kev Yep, saw that, thanks.
16:28:09 stpeter yay
16:28:15 linuxwolf finally
16:28:19 stpeter is too tired to cheer enthusiastically :)
16:28:27 ralphm For next time, maybe we should discuss if we want to do something about the lenght of XEP-0060 (and maybe other specs)
16:28:28 linuxwolf let's try not to let that happen again (-:
16:28:32 Kev You're not alone. I'm hoping to be human again tomorrow.
16:28:35 ralphm this came up at FOSDEM
16:28:35 linuxwolf although I'm afraid there's a large backlog for 60
16:28:40 stpeter ralphm: right
16:28:51 linuxwolf /nod
16:29:06 stpeter I think we could move lots of the management stuff to separate specs for both 45 and 60
16:29:14 ralphm right
16:29:20 ralphm So I'd like to put that on the agenda
16:29:25 ralphm for next week or so
16:29:33 linuxwolf noted in minutes
16:29:37 Kev ralphm: Put what on the agenda, particularly?
16:29:49 ralphm Kev: the discussion on that
16:30:04 Kev Just a discussion, ok.
16:30:28 linuxwolf 4) DateTime of next meeting
16:30:34 linuxwolf unless there was more AOB?
16:30:44 linuxwolf it didn't read like it, though
16:30:59 Kev AOB: Thanks linuxwolf for chairing in my lateness.
16:31:05 Kev DateTime: +1week.
16:31:06 linuxwolf (-:
16:31:10 stpeter I'll bring up more AOB stuff next week
16:31:12 linuxwolf works for me
16:31:24 MattJ +1
16:31:30 Tobias wfm
16:31:32 linuxwolf so next meeting 2012-02-15T16:00Z
16:31:32 ralphm stpeter: if you have agenda points, that's not quite AOB :-D
16:31:49 linuxwolf I think you all need to recover first
16:31:54 linuxwolf and we're at the bell now
16:31:57 ralphm right
16:32:03 Kev Right.
16:32:10 linuxwolf if nothing crucial ...
16:32:14 Kev Not here.
16:32:16 stpeter ralphm: right, agenda items
16:32:25 ralphm linuxwolf: bang it
16:32:28 linuxwolf bangs gavel
16:32:29 Tobias so are we done?
16:32:30 Tobias yay
16:32:33 linuxwolf (-:
16:32:34 Kev Thanks all, thanks linuxwolf.
16:32:36 ralphm thanks all!
16:32:37 linuxwolf no problem
16:32:37 stpeter MattJ and Kev: would you like to review my updates to XEP-0300 before I push it out?
16:32:38 Tobias thx
16:32:44 linuxwolf I'll have the notes out after I get through my meetings
16:32:45 Kev linuxwolf: Are you ok with sending out minutes?
16:32:49 Kev Great, thanks.
16:32:52 linuxwolf which I'm already late for!
16:33:14 Kev stpeter: Happy to do so, but don't think it's necessary. I'll shout if I object to them :)
16:33:22 stpeter ok! :)
16:33:23 Tobias cya
16:33:24 MattJ stpeter, sure
16:33:55 MattJ stpeter, btw, when you get around to XEP-0060... I have a bit of feedback I've been collecting, and probably will have more as I flesh out the pubsub support in Prosody
16:34:08 stpeter MattJ: I have a lot of feedback to incorporate :)
16:35:03 stpeter MattJ: we didn't discuss "other uses of message forwarding" in Brussels, but it seems to me that http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0297.html might be ready for a last call (will ask for agenda time next week)
16:35:18 MattJ Sure
16:37:56 ralphm MattJ: could you send that to the pubsub ml?
16:38:55 MattJ Sure
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17:18:18 linuxwolf do we still not have room logs?
17:18:59 linuxwolf nevermind … answered my own question!
17:19:49 stpeter :)
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