XMPP Council - 2012-02-08


  1. Tobias

    Kev, so what's on todays agenda...seems i can't make it today

  2. Tobias

    ?

  3. stpeter blearily wonders if there truly is a Council meeting today :)

  4. Tobias

    stpeter, yeah?!?!

  5. stpeter also wonders why Firefox won't load on his machine anymore

  6. Tobias

    according to the calendar, there is

  7. stpeter

    Tobias: correct

  8. stpeter

    Tobias: I'm quite jetlagged, but I can participate today

  9. linuxwolf

    I almost forgot

  10. linuxwolf

    Kev did send out an agenda

  11. stpeter looks among the 3000 messages in his inbox

  12. linuxwolf

    2) Obsoleting XEP-0237

  13. Tobias

    yeah...deprecating roster versioning...it's deprecated if not changed for a year

  14. Tobias

    ahh..obsoleting...got that wrong

  15. linuxwolf

    well, it starts with deprecated, then goes to obsoleting … technically

  16. Tobias

    is experimental, right?

  17. stpeter

    well right

  18. linuxwolf

    it's draft, actually

  19. Tobias

    but doesn't obsoleting/deprecating happen automatically?

  20. stpeter

    but 190, 192, 193, and 237 were all effectively obsoleted by publication of the RFCs

  21. stpeter

    Tobias: that's deferring

  22. Tobias

    stpeter, ahh..versioning got added to the RFCs

  23. linuxwolf

    right

  24. Tobias

    ok..then it makes sense to obsolete it

  25. stpeter

    Tobias: yes, it's in RFC 6121

  26. ralphm

    I'm here

  27. linuxwolf

    oh, it's time

  28. stpeter has no idea what time it is :)

  29. linuxwolf

    16:01Z

  30. ralphm

    16:00 UTC

  31. Tobias

    right..hammertime

  32. ralphm

    STOP!

  33. linuxwolf

    heh

  34. linuxwolf

    ok, well … Kev's away

  35. linuxwolf

    anyone object to me running in Kev's absence?

  36. ralphm

    sure

  37. ralphm

    go ahead

  38. Tobias

    no objections from me

  39. linuxwolf

    grazie

  40. linuxwolf

    ok

  41. linuxwolf

    1) Roll call

  42. linuxwolf

    presente

  43. Tobias

    here

  44. linuxwolf

    ralphm: still with us?

  45. stpeter

    just pinged MattJ

  46. ralphm

    yeah

  47. linuxwolf

    grazie … was just about to do that

  48. linuxwolf

    and MattJ is now with us

  49. linuxwolf

    ok

  50. MattJ

    Present :)

  51. linuxwolf

    2) Obsolete 237

  52. ralphm

    +1

  53. MattJ

    +1

  54. linuxwolf

    technically, it should move to Deprecated first

  55. ralphm

    that's stupid

  56. ralphm

    as it was obsoleted by a followup spec

  57. ralphm

    (an RFC in this case)

  58. Tobias

    +1

  59. linuxwolf

    let's say the vote is for both deprecated and obsolete

  60. ralphm

    I move we skip that step

  61. linuxwolf

    +1

  62. ralphm

    +1

  63. MattJ

    Heh, +1 :)

  64. Tobias

    +1

  65. linuxwolf goes takes note

  66. linuxwolf

    we'll give Kev a fortnight to vote onlist

  67. ralphm

    right

  68. linuxwolf

    3) AOB

  69. ralphm

    FOSDEM report

  70. linuxwolf

    stpeter?

  71. linuxwolf

    or ralphm — go ahead!

  72. ralphm

    ok

  73. stpeter

    BTW http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0190.html should be moved to Obsolete too

  74. stpeter

    well also 192 and 193

  75. stpeter

    the latter two are Deprecated

  76. linuxwolf

    one AOB at a time please (-:

  77. stpeter

    but we never Deprecated 190a nd 237

  78. stpeter

    just FYI :)

  79. linuxwolf

    /nod

  80. ralphm

    stpeter: noted

  81. ralphm

    So FOSDEM

  82. ralphm

    We had a splendid long weekend

  83. stpeter

    (someone at the Summit started implementing roster versioning based on XEP-0237...)

  84. stpeter

    heh

  85. ralphm

    I missed the the friday

  86. stpeter

    BTW I updated the FOSDEM / Summit notes on the plane yesterday

  87. ralphm

    but the Devroom was packed as ever

  88. linuxwolf

    nice

  89. linuxwolf

    and /-: on 237

  90. Tobias

    ralphm, was it a larger room this time?

  91. ralphm

    and the new location and set up of our real-time lounge was awesome

  92. ralphm

    especially as a first start

  93. ralphm

    Tobias: 100 seats

  94. ralphm

    Tobias: and also stricter rules on not standing in the paths/sides

  95. ralphm

    Tobias: so no

  96. Tobias

    ah..ok

  97. MattJ

    We had that room the year before last, no?

  98. ralphm

    It was a different room

  99. MattJ

    Hmm, ok

  100. ralphm

    Last year we were in AW

  101. Tobias

    do they have bigger dev rooms at all?

  102. ralphm

    they do

  103. ralphm

    but there are over 2x as many applicant projects than rooms

  104. ralphm

    we don't really have a say in it

  105. ralphm

    I think it was fine, though

  106. stpeter

    http://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/summit/2012-February/001084.html

  107. linuxwolf

    noted

  108. stpeter

    updated notes

  109. ralphm

    We might shoot for one main-track speaker next year, instead of wanting a bigger room

  110. ralphm

    stpeter: many thanks for that

  111. ralphm

    For next year we'll probably do some things better/different

  112. stpeter

    oh yes

  113. ralphm

    see stpeter's notes

  114. stpeter

    yes

  115. ralphm

    also, we might want to think about moving the 'monday' to thursday instead

  116. ralphm

    i.e. 2 days before FOSDEM

  117. stpeter

    those are notes from the piratepad, but I did the majority of the scribing, I think

  118. ralphm

    that leaves us less tired and late on monday

  119. MattJ

    ralphm, what's the logic behind that?

  120. stpeter

    ralphm: we talked about that on Monday night

  121. MattJ

    Ok

  122. stpeter

    (at the "meating")

  123. ralphm

    stpeter: yeah, intosi mentioned this

  124. stpeter

    I think it's a good idea

  125. linuxwolf

    almost sorry I missed out

  126. stpeter

    heh

  127. Kev

    Urgh.

  128. ralphm

    I mean, we effectively used about 4 hours on monday

  129. linuxwolf

    well, no, I am sorry I missed out

  130. ralphm

    which could be done better

  131. stpeter

    so we'd have the Summit on Thursday and Friday

  132. linuxwolf

    (Kev appears)

  133. Kev

    Sorry, was out and couldn't get away.

  134. linuxwolf

    no worries … we started without you (-:

  135. ralphm

    stpeter: nod

  136. Kev

    Right.

  137. Kev

    1) Here, late. 2) Yes, get rid of it.

  138. linuxwolf hands gavel back to Kev

  139. Kev

    3) Thu/Fri seems better than Fri/Mon.

  140. Kev

    linuxwolf: Happy for you to finish up with it :)

  141. linuxwolf

    ok then (-:

  142. ralphm

    I assume most of the improvement notes will come up in board soonish

  143. linuxwolf

    anything else on FOSDEM

  144. ralphm

    thanks everyone!

  145. Kev

    Is anyone writing up technical notes?

  146. MattJ

    +1 :)

  147. stpeter

    linuxwolf: not really, see the notes I posted

  148. linuxwolf

    yes

  149. MattJ

    and next year I'd really like to at least audio-record the talks

  150. ralphm

    MattJ: nod

  151. MattJ

    I know it takes someone to step up and do that, but I think I can

  152. Kev

    I can write up a summary if no-one else is.

  153. linuxwolf

    Kev: I'm working on council notes as we speak, stpeter posted Summit notes on list

  154. Kev

    And yes, thanks to everyone who arranged stuff.

  155. Kev

    Ah, great.

  156. linuxwolf

    ok, moving on

  157. ralphm

    Maybe we should put up a wiki page on this

  158. linuxwolf

    3.2) Obsolete 190

  159. ralphm

    so that improvements can be added there

  160. linuxwolf

    not a bad idea, anyone willing to take that on?

  161. ralphm

    +1 on deprecating and deleting 190

  162. Kev

    190 is covered by 6120 now, is it?

  163. stpeter

    Kev: yes

  164. linuxwolf

    It's more or less replaced by 6120

  165. ralphm

    eh, obsoleting, hehe

  166. linuxwolf

    +1 on deprecating and obsoleting

  167. Kev

    I should probably check 6120 before I vote on this, will do on list.

  168. linuxwolf

    notes

  169. linuxwolf

    noted even

  170. stpeter

    as mentioned above, when the new RFCs were published we deprecated 192 and 193, but neglected to deprecate 190 and 237

  171. linuxwolf

    Tobias?

  172. Tobias

    yeah?

  173. Tobias

    +1 on obsoleting

  174. linuxwolf

    grazie!

  175. linuxwolf

    MattJ?

  176. linuxwolf

    on list, or do you have a position now?

  177. MattJ

    I'm +1

  178. linuxwolf

    grazie

  179. linuxwolf

    3.3) Obsolete 192

  180. ralphm

    +1

  181. linuxwolf

    again, replaced by RFC 6120

  182. Kev

    +1

  183. linuxwolf

    I'm +1 also

  184. MattJ

    +1

  185. linuxwolf

    Tobias: your vote?

  186. Tobias

    ü1

  187. Tobias

    +1

  188. linuxwolf

    (-:

  189. linuxwolf

    3.4) Obsolete 193

  190. Kev

    +1

  191. ralphm

    +1

  192. linuxwolf

    yet again, replaced by RFC 6120

  193. linuxwolf

    +1 also

  194. MattJ

    +1

  195. Tobias

    +1

  196. linuxwolf

    ok

  197. linuxwolf

    and one last item ...

  198. linuxwolf

    I finally put my vote on XEP-0045, so I believe it's good to be updated now

  199. linuxwolf

    publish 1.25 rather

  200. ralphm

    nod

  201. Kev

    Yep, saw that, thanks.

  202. stpeter

    yay

  203. linuxwolf

    finally

  204. stpeter is too tired to cheer enthusiastically :)

  205. ralphm

    For next time, maybe we should discuss if we want to do something about the lenght of XEP-0060 (and maybe other specs)

  206. linuxwolf

    let's try not to let that happen again (-:

  207. Kev

    You're not alone. I'm hoping to be human again tomorrow.

  208. ralphm

    this came up at FOSDEM

  209. linuxwolf

    although I'm afraid there's a large backlog for 60

  210. stpeter

    ralphm: right

  211. linuxwolf

    /nod

  212. stpeter

    I think we could move lots of the management stuff to separate specs for both 45 and 60

  213. ralphm

    right

  214. ralphm

    So I'd like to put that on the agenda

  215. ralphm

    for next week or so

  216. linuxwolf

    noted in minutes

  217. Kev

    ralphm: Put what on the agenda, particularly?

  218. ralphm

    Kev: the discussion on that

  219. Kev

    Just a discussion, ok.

  220. linuxwolf

    4) DateTime of next meeting

  221. linuxwolf

    unless there was more AOB?

  222. linuxwolf

    it didn't read like it, though

  223. Kev

    AOB: Thanks linuxwolf for chairing in my lateness.

  224. Kev

    DateTime: +1week.

  225. linuxwolf

    (-:

  226. stpeter

    I'll bring up more AOB stuff next week

  227. linuxwolf

    works for me

  228. MattJ

    +1

  229. Tobias

    wfm

  230. linuxwolf

    so next meeting 2012-02-15T16:00Z

  231. ralphm

    stpeter: if you have agenda points, that's not quite AOB :-D

  232. linuxwolf

    I think you all need to recover first

  233. linuxwolf

    and we're at the bell now

  234. ralphm

    right

  235. Kev

    Right.

  236. linuxwolf

    if nothing crucial ...

  237. Kev

    Not here.

  238. stpeter

    ralphm: right, agenda items

  239. ralphm

    linuxwolf: bang it

  240. linuxwolf bangs gavel

  241. Tobias

    so are we done?

  242. Tobias

    yay

  243. linuxwolf

    (-:

  244. Kev

    Thanks all, thanks linuxwolf.

  245. ralphm

    thanks all!

  246. linuxwolf

    no problem

  247. stpeter

    MattJ and Kev: would you like to review my updates to XEP-0300 before I push it out?

  248. Tobias

    thx

  249. linuxwolf

    I'll have the notes out after I get through my meetings

  250. Kev

    linuxwolf: Are you ok with sending out minutes?

  251. Kev

    Great, thanks.

  252. linuxwolf

    which I'm already late for!

  253. Kev

    stpeter: Happy to do so, but don't think it's necessary. I'll shout if I object to them :)

  254. stpeter

    ok! :)

  255. Tobias

    cya

  256. MattJ

    stpeter, sure

  257. MattJ

    stpeter, btw, when you get around to XEP-0060... I have a bit of feedback I've been collecting, and probably will have more as I flesh out the pubsub support in Prosody

  258. stpeter

    MattJ: I have a lot of feedback to incorporate :)

  259. stpeter

    MattJ: we didn't discuss "other uses of message forwarding" in Brussels, but it seems to me that http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0297.html might be ready for a last call (will ask for agenda time next week)

  260. MattJ

    Sure

  261. ralphm

    MattJ: could you send that to the pubsub ml?

  262. MattJ

    Sure

  263. stpeter processes various summit and council related items

  264. linuxwolf

    do we still not have room logs?

  265. linuxwolf

    nevermind … answered my own question!

  266. stpeter

    :)