XMPP Council - 2012-09-05

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  10. m&m

    was it this week we're skipping, or next?

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  12. m&m

    not like there's much to discuss … that I can recall (-:

  13. ralphm

    I think we're meeting to skip :-)

  14. m&m

    apparently (-:

  15. Kev

    Did I misremember?

  16. Kev

    I thought we were skipping until week after next.

  17. Kev

    Ah, although that's not in the calendar either.

  18. Kev

    Yes, I do misremember.

  19. Kev

    So yes, we're meeting now.

  20. m&m

    "I'm good next week, I'm not the week after."

  21. Kev

    I don't think we've got anything to discuss.

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  23. m&m

    nay do I

  24. Kev

    Jolly good. Shall we go back to what I thought our plan was anyway? :)

  25. m&m

    that would be to meet next on 09/19?

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  27. m&m pokes stpeter to add it to the calendar

  28. m&m

    works for me

  29. Kev


  30. m&m

    I'm completely lost this week anyway

  31. Kev

    Yes, me too.

  32. Kev

    On the other hand, I have FMUC working, so yay.

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  34. Kev

    (And I have further spec updates to do as a consequence)

  35. m&m

    has there been any discussion with any of the DMUC* proponents?

  36. m&m

    just curious

  37. Kev

    I've been chatting with Fippo a bit.

  38. Kev

    Not spoken to that Peter chap recently.

  39. Kev

    Other than telling him FMUC's the way forward.

  40. m&m

    Wayne Franklin?

  41. Kev

    I'm hoping Trident, or whatever they are now if they changed name, will be at the summit.

  42. Kev

    (And that I will be too)

  43. Kev

    and that we can have an FMUC discussion there with anyone who's interested.

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  45. Kev

    But this implementation addresses the concerns they had with FMUC that they were trying to resolve with DMUC3.

  46. m&m

    that should help

  47. Kev

    "Just" need to update the XEP to match the code.

  48. Kev

    The protocol remains very very nearly just "Do normal MUC, slap an <fmuc/> element in it and drop duplicate or echo stanzas".

  49. Kev

    (Or don't drop the echos, if you're in single-master mode)

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  51. Kanchil

    ralphm: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4480695: WhatsApp is using your IMEI number as password | Hacker News

  52. ralphm

    pretty funny

  53. m&m

    aside from the fact that MD5 is not encryption ...

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  55. ralphm

    I said funny, no?

  56. m&m


  57. MattJ

    I had a conversation recently with someone who wanted a mobile app to log into XMPP without requiring a username and password to be entered by the user

  58. MattJ

    and also be secure

  59. ralphm

    m&m: which planet do you have your eyes on?

  60. m&m

    Ceti Alpha IV

  61. ralphm

    MattJ: what did you tell him?

  62. MattJ

    Well the plan was to use phone number for authentication (!)

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  64. MattJ

    But for fun, I asked what should happen if I changed my SIM

  65. MattJ

    Naturally the answer was nothing - it should still work

  66. m&m


  67. MattJ

    So phone number was out

  68. MattJ

    Then IMEI/other handset serial came up

  69. ralphm

    so yeah, that kinda leaves the phone's own id

  70. MattJ

    So I asked what should happen if I brought a new phone, put my SIM in there, and downloaded the app again

  71. MattJ

    Naturally the answer was that I should still see all my data :)

  72. ralphm

    MattJ: so you suggested magic?

  73. m&m

    so … magic (-:

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  75. MattJ

    A week after this conversation they went to someone else, who I gather is using IBR with the phone number as the username, and I-don't-want-to-know as the password

  76. ralphm

    MattJ: I'm sure it uses some hash of the image of the user's face

  77. ralphm

    like the android unlock feature

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  79. ralphm

    kinda sucks if you get a new phone number

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