XMPP Council - 2012-09-05

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  8. m&m ding?
  9. ralphm pong
  10. m&m was it this week we're skipping, or next?
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  12. m&m not like there's much to discuss … that I can recall (-:
  13. ralphm I think we're meeting to skip :-)
  14. m&m apparently (-:
  15. Kev Did I misremember?
  16. Kev I thought we were skipping until week after next.
  17. Kev Ah, although that's not in the calendar either.
  18. Kev Yes, I do misremember.
  19. Kev So yes, we're meeting now.
  20. m&m "I'm good next week, I'm not the week after."
  21. Kev I don't think we've got anything to discuss.
  22. m&m (-:
  23. m&m nay do I
  24. Kev Jolly good. Shall we go back to what I thought our plan was anyway? :)
  25. m&m that would be to meet next on 09/19?
  26. Kev 19th
  27. m&m pokes stpeter to add it to the calendar
  28. m&m works for me
  29. Kev Excellent.
  30. m&m I'm completely lost this week anyway
  31. Kev Yes, me too.
  32. Kev On the other hand, I have FMUC working, so yay.
  33. m&m w00t
  34. Kev (And I have further spec updates to do as a consequence)
  35. m&m has there been any discussion with any of the DMUC* proponents?
  36. m&m just curious
  37. Kev I've been chatting with Fippo a bit.
  38. Kev Not spoken to that Peter chap recently.
  39. Kev Other than telling him FMUC's the way forward.
  40. m&m Wayne Franklin?
  41. Kev I'm hoping Trident, or whatever they are now if they changed name, will be at the summit.
  42. Kev (And that I will be too)
  43. Kev and that we can have an FMUC discussion there with anyone who's interested.
  44. m&m /nod
  45. Kev But this implementation addresses the concerns they had with FMUC that they were trying to resolve with DMUC3.
  46. m&m that should help
  47. Kev "Just" need to update the XEP to match the code.
  48. Kev The protocol remains very very nearly just "Do normal MUC, slap an <fmuc/> element in it and drop duplicate or echo stanzas".
  49. Kev (Or don't drop the echos, if you're in single-master mode)
  50. ralphm http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4480695
  51. Kanchil ralphm: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4480695: WhatsApp is using your IMEI number as password | Hacker News
  52. ralphm pretty funny
  53. m&m aside from the fact that MD5 is not encryption ...
  54. m&m http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/184/961/tumblr_lnvvueuSsj1qcj56b.png
  55. ralphm I said funny, no?
  56. m&m http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/126/314/3cd8a33a.png
  57. MattJ I had a conversation recently with someone who wanted a mobile app to log into XMPP without requiring a username and password to be entered by the user
  58. MattJ and also be secure
  59. ralphm m&m: which planet do you have your eyes on?
  60. m&m Ceti Alpha IV
  61. ralphm MattJ: what did you tell him?
  62. MattJ Well the plan was to use phone number for authentication (!)
  63. m&m /sigh
  64. MattJ But for fun, I asked what should happen if I changed my SIM
  65. MattJ Naturally the answer was nothing - it should still work
  66. m&m ....
  67. MattJ So phone number was out
  68. MattJ Then IMEI/other handset serial came up
  69. ralphm so yeah, that kinda leaves the phone's own id
  70. MattJ So I asked what should happen if I brought a new phone, put my SIM in there, and downloaded the app again
  71. MattJ Naturally the answer was that I should still see all my data :)
  72. ralphm MattJ: so you suggested magic?
  73. m&m so … magic (-:
  74. m&m hehe
  75. MattJ A week after this conversation they went to someone else, who I gather is using IBR with the phone number as the username, and I-don't-want-to-know as the password
  76. ralphm MattJ: I'm sure it uses some hash of the image of the user's face
  77. ralphm like the android unlock feature
  78. MattJ Heh
  79. ralphm kinda sucks if you get a new phone number
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