XMPP Council - 2012-09-26

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  18. stpeter


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  20. m&m

    we are having a council meeting, right?

  21. stpeter

    I thought so

  22. Tobias


  23. Tobias

    maybe we should tell Kev about it :)

  24. stpeter

    although I seem to have been remiss about updating the schedule :(

  25. m&m

    stpeter: maybe you can show me what to do on that

  26. stpeter

    m&m: sure thing

  27. stpeter pings Kev

  28. m&m

    I already did

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  31. m&m

    + MattJ + Ralphm

  32. Kev

    Balls, sorry.

  33. Kev

    Hell of a week.

  34. MattJ

    m&m, I was already here ;)

  35. Kev

    I'll note I was late in the minutes.

  36. stpeter

    Kev: yeah, I'm sure, what with having been on holiday before

  37. m&m

    I just noticed … sorry!

  38. stpeter


  39. m&m

    it's been a long week for me, too

  40. Kev

    stpeter: The holiday was weeks ago. I need another by now.

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  42. Kev

    1) Roll call.

  43. Kev

    I'm here, belatedly.

  44. stpeter

    Kev: ouch

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  48. Kev

    Anyone poked Ralph?

  49. m&m

    I did

  50. Kev


  51. m&m

    no response

  52. Kev

    2) http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/muc-admin.html Accept as XEP?

  53. Kanchil

    Kev: http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/muc-admin.html: XEP-xxxx: Multi-User Chat Administration

  54. stpeter

    m&m pointed out problems to me

  55. m&m

    I don't know if they're problems, per se

  56. Kev

    I've not read it yet. I need to.

  57. MattJ

    I read it yesterday

  58. m&m

    just curious why existing admin actions are duplicated

  59. Kev

    I'm not sure why we need another way of setting the subject.

  60. stpeter

    I should probably fix it up before we publish it, and add more use cases -- I was in a hurry at the time, working on it while commuting and such

  61. Kev

    Or the other duplications.

  62. Tobias

    i haven't read it yet etiher

  63. MattJ

    I think it's a good start, I have a small wishlist though (that may or may not be addressed in this spec)

  64. m&m

    I've no objections to publishing

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  66. Kev

    I'm a little uneasy about duplicating the functions without understanding the reason.

  67. Kev

    But I've not read it properly to see if that's explained.

  68. Kev

    I'll read it over the next couple of days.

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  71. Tobias

    hi ralphm

  72. Kev

    Hi Ralph.

  73. Kev

    No-one opposing right now, right?

  74. Tobias

    i'm not...will read it soonish

  75. m&m

    not now, possibly not ever

  76. Kev


  77. ralphm

    not opposing

  78. Kev

    m&m: I'm so very tempted to make a "That's what she said" comment here.

  79. stpeter

    the spec doesn't explain why we might want to use ad-hoc commands for existing functions, although one could argue that it would have been a good idea to do that from the start (and wouldn't require special-purpose code), but I agree that these don't deserve to be front-and-center, perhaps in an appendix

  80. Kev

    But I won't.

  81. m&m

    Kev: you need another holiday (-:

  82. Kev

    Really do.

  83. m&m

    Kev: I hear November 5th should not be forgot

  84. ralphm

    although I do wonder if we are to mess with this, maybe there are some other things more pressing, re muc

  85. Kev

    m&m: Very good.

  86. Kev

    ralphm: If they were pressing, someone would have worked on them :)

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  88. ralphm

    Kev: well yeah, that's a good point I suppose

  89. m&m

    ralphm: we did got through a fairly thorough editorial revision not too long ago

  90. m&m thinks he needs another holiday

  91. Kev

    3) Date of next meeting.

  92. Kev

    Next Wed's not good for me.

  93. MattJ

    Me neither

  94. stpeter

    I'll be offline next Wednesday, methinks

  95. m&m

    so 2012-10-10

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  98. ralphm

    m&m: I rather meant an actual overhaul, that probably no-one actually wants. never mind.

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  101. Kev

    m&m: If that's a fortnight today, yes.

  102. ralphm

    m&m: I just happened to find this (again): https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=27687

  103. m&m

    Kev: no, it's two weeks

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  105. m&m is a little punchy today

  106. stpeter notes that m&m and I still need to clean up the ad-hoc commands spec a bit

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  108. Kev

    4) AOB?

  109. m&m

    yeah, I've got a list sitting next to me

  110. m&m

    or I thought ...

  111. stpeter

    m&m: we'll talk :)

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  113. stpeter

    m&m: but when you're less punchy

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  115. stpeter

    no AOB from me

  116. stpeter

    still didn't get to XHTML-IM, maybe tonight :)

  117. m&m

    none from me

  118. Kev

    Fab. I still owe minutes for last week, I know.

  119. m&m

    Kev: do you need someone to take minutes for you?

  120. Kev

    The end of madness is in sight, hopefully I'll be more on-the-ball when we've got this release shipped.

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  122. Zash

    MattJ still owes an updated XEP-0313 ...

  123. Kev

    m&m: I can do them, but thanks.

  124. Kev

    I've just been on site the last few days and haven't had a chance to think.

  125. stpeter

    and don't forget http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Board_and_Council_Elections_2012 -- I'm still recruiting ;-)

  126. Kanchil

    stpeter: http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Board_and_Council_Elections_2012: Board and Council Elections 2012 - XMPP Wiki

  127. Kev

    Number of Council applicants has doubled since I last looked, w00t.

  128. Kev

    Anyway. I think we're largely done here aren't we?

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  130. ralphm

    hit it

  131. Kev bangs the gavel

  132. Kev

    Thanks all.

  133. m&m


  134. stpeter

    calendar updated

  135. MattJ

    Zash, have been working on 313 this morning

  136. Kev

    stpeter: Thanks.

  137. Kev

    stpeter: Thanks for doing the GSoC invoice too.

  138. stpeter

    Kev: sure thing!

  139. stpeter

    Kev: do we need to write a final GSoC blog post, perhaps?

  140. Kev

    Yes. I asked the students to send me links to closing posts of their own, but none did.

  141. Kev

    So I guess we should write one without.

  142. stpeter nods

  143. stpeter

    not today, though

  144. m&m

    MattJ/Kev: is there an update to 297 pending also>

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  147. Kev

    m&m: I vaguely recall I'm supposed to be reading through what's there and seeing if I agree before we request LC.

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  149. MattJ

    m&m, you need to update carbons for the new format

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  151. m&m

    yeah, I know

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  162. MattJ

    ralphm, using Google? ;)

  163. MattJ

    If you can get them to fix that, I would really love you

  164. MattJ

    Dave tried

  165. ralphm

    MattJ: what happened

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  168. MattJ

    Have to ask him, but evidently it wasn't fixed

  169. ralphm

    I mean, there must be a way for us, the xsf, to get the message across to them that their implementation is broken in this respect

  170. ralphm

    the pdf I linked to above (from freedesktop.org) even mentions that they seem to expect an unavailable presence being sent before a nick change

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