XMPP Council - 2012-10-11


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  21. m&m

    T - 10

  22. Kev

    Yes.

  23. Kev

    And I'm even here. With an alarm set on my phone.

  24. m&m

    (-:

  25. Kev

    Although anything could happen in the next 6 minutes.

  26. Kev

    Alarm went off.

  27. Kev

    So I'm on my own now.

  28. m&m

    30 seconds!

  29. Kev

    Matt and Ralph poked.

  30. Kev

    I don't see Tobias.

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  33. Kev

    Hi Ralph.

  34. m&m

    hola

  35. Kev

    Matt's marked AFK,so I guess there's not too much hope there.

  36. m&m

    /-:

  37. Kev

    1) Roll call.

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  39. m&m

    presente

  40. Kev

    I'm here.

  41. stpeter

    howdy

  42. Kev

    Evening Peter.

  43. Kev

    And Ralph seems here too.

  44. Kev

    2) http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/xml-media-element.html Accept (newer version)?

  45. Kanchil

    Kev: http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/xml-media-element.html: XEP-xxxx: Data Forms XML Element

  46. m&m

    no objections

  47. stpeter

    I think this one just fell off my radar screen

  48. ralphm

    no objections to publish

  49. Kev

    I do wonder if this needs some text about jabber:client|server.

  50. Kev

    But this isn't a reason to not publish.

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  52. ralphm

    I reiterate that I'm not sure the idea itself is a good one

  53. Kev

    AFAICS, it would be illegal to do:

  54. Tobias

    hi

  55. Kev

    <message> <wrapper xmlns='...'> <not-from-xmpp xmlns='jabber:client'/> </wrapper> </message>

  56. Kev

    Hi Tobias.

  57. Kev

    Tobias: objections to http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/xml-media-element.html ?

  58. Kanchil

    Kev: http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/xml-media-element.html: XEP-xxxx: Data Forms XML Element

  59. m&m

    wouldn't we have to add that to every XEP, though?

  60. m&m

    I don't think it's worth calling out any more here than we've done in other places.

  61. Kev

    m&m: How many other XEPs claim to allow you to include arbitrary XML as a child?

  62. m&m

    pubsub

  63. m&m

    ok, at least one (-:

  64. Kev

    This specifically calls out that you can use it for shipping XMPP logs, and it doesn't allow that.

  65. Kev

    Assuming by 'logs' we mean 'telemetry'.

  66. Kev

    But anyway, I'm not objecting to this.

  67. Kev

    And I think Tobias has wandered off again.

  68. Tobias

    what?

  69. Tobias

    ah..one sec

  70. ralphm

    I don't particularly like that you can have more than one child of wrapper

  71. ralphm

    also not quite sure if you actually need a wrapper

  72. Kev

    ralphm: Yes, I wondered that, but I think you do.

  73. m&m

    I think the wrapper helps

  74. ralphm

    iff you need one, it should only have one child element

  75. Kev

    That is - you need to know "This is a blob of XML that is an answer to this field".

  76. Kev

    Rather than "This is some field type that you don't understand".

  77. ralphm

    otherwise it is more than one xml blob

  78. ralphm

    (possibly)

  79. Kev

    Yes, although whether that matters is another issue.

  80. Kev

    Do you want to block it on that basis, or just comment onlist?

  81. ralphm

    I said already I have no objections to it being published

  82. ralphm

    I am not sure I like the way it works

  83. Tobias

    no objections to it from my side

  84. Kev

    You did - I was checking you hadn't changed your mind :)

  85. Kev

    OK.

  86. Kev

    3) Date of next meeting.

  87. ralphm

    I'll be in SF/Portland the coming two weeks

  88. Kev

    Next Wednesday looks OK for me, unless I get called to be onsite again with short notice.

  89. stpeter glances at http://wiki.xmpp.org:12480/web/Board_and_Council_Elections_2012

  90. Kanchil

    stpeter: http://wiki.xmpp.org:12480/web/Board_and_Council_Elections_2012: Board and Council Elections 2012 - XMPP Wiki

  91. Tobias

    that wiki should be available on port 80, btw

  92. stpeter

    ah, good

  93. ralphm

    Tobias: interestingly, it is!

  94. Kev

    We can have one last meeting on the 30th then, I guess.

  95. Tobias

    ralphm, got an url?

  96. stpeter

    WFM

  97. ralphm

    Tobias: just chop off the port part

  98. Kev

    Without anaesthetic? :o

  99. m&m

    WFM

  100. Tobias

    ralphm, ahh..thx...

  101. ralphm

    Tobias: someone should fix the config that it doesn't expose that additional weird port

  102. Tobias

    indeed

  103. ralphm

    Also, Cool URLs Don't Change!

  104. Kev

    Someone needs to finish the porting of athena from lighttpd to nginx.

  105. stpeter

    I have one AOB.... XEP-0071 and how to come to agreement on structured elements vs. stylistic presentation, but I suppose I'll just post to the list about that

  106. Kev

    I started and then got distracted, as so often happens.

  107. ralphm

    I wish to stamp that on the head of everyone involved the slightest in anything related to publishing web pages

  108. Kev

    stpeter: I think at this stage the answer is "We don't substantially change the XEP".

  109. Kev

    But yes, that discussion can happen on-list.

  110. Kev

    OK, so next meeting 30th October, just before we get kicked out.

  111. m&m

    /nod

  112. ralphm

    To be more blunt. I'm a solid -1 on anything adding stuff

  113. ralphm

    like rdfa

  114. Kev

    Any other any other business?

  115. stpeter

    not adding anything, just softening some of the language, but I'll post to the list :)

  116. m&m

    where are we on xep-0297 ?

  117. Kev

    Was I supposed to be giving that a read-through before we ask for an LC?

  118. m&m

    yes (-:

  119. Kev

    OK.

  120. Kev

    Have added to my TODO.

  121. m&m

    I need to look at the list again … there might have been some comments that need addressing

  122. Kev

    Any other any other business?

  123. m&m

    none from me

  124. ralphm

    -

  125. Tobias

    none here

  126. Kev

    OK.

  127. Kev

    I think we're done then.

  128. Kev

    Thanks all.

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  130. ralphm

    yay

  131. ralphm

    thanks all

  132. m&m

    w00t

  133. Tobias

    thanks

  134. Tobias

    bbl

  135. stpeter

    bbiaf

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  137. ralphm

    flash!

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  139. ralphm

    hehe

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  141. m&m

    because too much caffeine is a bad thing, and I've had at least 300mLs so far this morning

  142. m&m

    well, 300mLs of coffee

  143. m&m

    and 300mLs of green tea

  144. ralphm

    m&m: the SI designation for liter is lowercase l.

  145. ralphm

    and no -s

  146. m&m

    graze

  147. m&m

    I'm a silly American, anyway

  148. ralphm

    well, /you/ could still do the proper thing

  149. ralphm

    it is a wonder (haha see above) you even know about them

  150. m&m

    in the end, I'm filled up my 150ml cup with more coffee

  151. ralphm

    (them being the SI units)

  152. m&m

    I said silly, not ignorant

  153. m&m

    d-:

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  155. ralphm

    m&m: I'm sorry, you're in the middle of hahaland

  156. m&m

    oh yesh

  157. ralphm

    too bad you won't be in porland

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  159. ralphm

    MattJ: seriously?

  160. m&m

    I know, but there's only so much travel I can get away with before the family complains

  161. ralphm

    m&m: right

  162. MattJ

    ralphm, seriously :P

  163. ralphm

    MattJ: coming weeks will be interesting for you

  164. MattJ

    Quite

  165. m&m

    oh crap … that's right

  166. ralphm

    The council meeting of the 30th will be in between the daylight switch of europe and the states

  167. m&m

    I'll be traveling to Atlanta on the next change in the US

  168. MattJ

    Lovely

  169. m&m

    this is why we should abolish DST

  170. ralphm

    I think we didn't pick I time. I suggest 16:00 UTC

  171. m&m

    I think that works for me

  172. MattJ

    Me too

  173. Kev

    Yes.

  174. stpeter

    ok, I sent a message to the standards@ list about structure vs. style, we'll see what comes of it

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