XMPP Council - 2012-10-11

T - 10

Yes.

And I'm even here. With an alarm set on my phone.

(-:

Although anything could happen in the next 6 minutes.

Alarm went off.

So I'm on my own now.

30 seconds!

Matt and Ralph poked.

I don't see Tobias.

Hi Ralph.

hola

Matt's marked AFK,so I guess there's not too much hope there.

/-:

1) Roll call.

presente

I'm here.

howdy

Evening Peter.

And Ralph seems here too.

2) http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/xml-media-element.html Accept (newer version)?

Kev: http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/xml-media-element.html: XEP-xxxx: Data Forms XML Element

no objections

I think this one just fell off my radar screen

no objections to publish

I do wonder if this needs some text about jabber:client|server.

But this isn't a reason to not publish.

I reiterate that I'm not sure the idea itself is a good one

AFAICS, it would be illegal to do:

hi

<message> <wrapper xmlns='...'> <not-from-xmpp xmlns='jabber:client'/> </wrapper> </message>

Hi Tobias.

Tobias: objections to http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/xml-media-element.html ?

Kev: http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/xml-media-element.html: XEP-xxxx: Data Forms XML Element

wouldn't we have to add that to every XEP, though?

I don't think it's worth calling out any more here than we've done in other places.

m&m: How many other XEPs claim to allow you to include arbitrary XML as a child?

pubsub

ok, at least one (-:

This specifically calls out that you can use it for shipping XMPP logs, and it doesn't allow that.

Assuming by 'logs' we mean 'telemetry'.

But anyway, I'm not objecting to this.

And I think Tobias has wandered off again.

what?

ah..one sec

I don't particularly like that you can have more than one child of wrapper

also not quite sure if you actually need a wrapper

ralphm: Yes, I wondered that, but I think you do.

I think the wrapper helps

iff you need one, it should only have one child element

That is - you need to know "This is a blob of XML that is an answer to this field".

Rather than "This is some field type that you don't understand".

otherwise it is more than one xml blob

(possibly)

Yes, although whether that matters is another issue.

Do you want to block it on that basis, or just comment onlist?

I said already I have no objections to it being published

I am not sure I like the way it works

no objections to it from my side

You did - I was checking you hadn't changed your mind :)

OK.

3) Date of next meeting.

I'll be in SF/Portland the coming two weeks

Next Wednesday looks OK for me, unless I get called to be onsite again with short notice.

stpeter: http://wiki.xmpp.org:12480/web/Board_and_Council_Elections_2012: Board and Council Elections 2012 - XMPP Wiki

that wiki should be available on port 80, btw

ah, good

Tobias: interestingly, it is!

We can have one last meeting on the 30th then, I guess.

ralphm, got an url?

WFM

Tobias: just chop off the port part

Without anaesthetic? :o

WFM

ralphm, ahh..thx...

Tobias: someone should fix the config that it doesn't expose that additional weird port

indeed

Also, Cool URLs Don't Change!

Someone needs to finish the porting of athena from lighttpd to nginx.

I have one AOB.... XEP-0071 and how to come to agreement on structured elements vs. stylistic presentation, but I suppose I'll just post to the list about that

I started and then got distracted, as so often happens.

I wish to stamp that on the head of everyone involved the slightest in anything related to publishing web pages

stpeter: I think at this stage the answer is "We don't substantially change the XEP".

But yes, that discussion can happen on-list.

OK, so next meeting 30th October, just before we get kicked out.

/nod

To be more blunt. I'm a solid -1 on anything adding stuff

like rdfa

Any other any other business?

not adding anything, just softening some of the language, but I'll post to the list :)

where are we on xep-0297 ?

Was I supposed to be giving that a read-through before we ask for an LC?

yes (-:

OK.

Have added to my TODO.

I need to look at the list again … there might have been some comments that need addressing

Any other any other business?

none from me

-

none here

OK.

I think we're done then.

Thanks all.

yay

thanks all

w00t

thanks

bbl

bbiaf

flash!

hehe

because too much caffeine is a bad thing, and I've had at least 300mLs so far this morning

well, 300mLs of coffee

and 300mLs of green tea

m&m: the SI designation for liter is lowercase l.

and no -s

graze

I'm a silly American, anyway

well, /you/ could still do the proper thing

it is a wonder (haha see above) you even know about them

in the end, I'm filled up my 150ml cup with more coffee

(them being the SI units)

I said silly, not ignorant

d-:

m&m: I'm sorry, you're in the middle of hahaland

oh yesh

too bad you won't be in porland

MattJ: seriously?

I know, but there's only so much travel I can get away with before the family complains

m&m: right

ralphm, seriously :P

MattJ: coming weeks will be interesting for you

Quite

oh crap … that's right

The council meeting of the 30th will be in between the daylight switch of europe and the states

I'll be traveling to Atlanta on the next change in the US

Lovely

this is why we should abolish DST

I think we didn't pick I time. I suggest 16:00 UTC

I think that works for me

Me too

Yes.

ok, I sent a message to the standards@ list about structure vs. style, we'll see what comes of it