KevTobias: objections to http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/xml-media-element.html ?
KanchilKev: http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/xml-media-element.html:
XEP-xxxx: Data Forms XML Element
m&mwouldn't we have to add that to every XEP, though?
m&mI don't think it's worth calling out any more here than we've done in other places.
Kevm&m: How many other XEPs claim to allow you to include arbitrary XML as a child?
m&mpubsub
m&mok, at least one (-:
KevThis specifically calls out that you can use it for shipping XMPP logs, and it doesn't allow that.
KevAssuming by 'logs' we mean 'telemetry'.
KevBut anyway, I'm not objecting to this.
KevAnd I think Tobias has wandered off again.
Tobiaswhat?
Tobiasah..one sec
ralphmI don't particularly like that you can have more than one child of wrapper
ralphmalso not quite sure if you actually need a wrapper
Kevralphm: Yes, I wondered that, but I think you do.
m&mI think the wrapper helps
ralphmiff you need one, it should only have one child element
KevThat is - you need to know "This is a blob of XML that is an answer to this field".
KevRather than "This is some field type that you don't understand".
ralphmotherwise it is more than one xml blob
ralphm(possibly)
KevYes, although whether that matters is another issue.
KevDo you want to block it on that basis, or just comment onlist?
ralphmI said already I have no objections to it being published
ralphmI am not sure I like the way it works
Tobiasno objections to it from my side
KevYou did - I was checking you hadn't changed your mind :)
KevOK.
Kev3) Date of next meeting.
ralphmI'll be in SF/Portland the coming two weeks
KevNext Wednesday looks OK for me, unless I get called to be onsite again with short notice.
stpeterglances at http://wiki.xmpp.org:12480/web/Board_and_Council_Elections_2012
Kanchilstpeter: http://wiki.xmpp.org:12480/web/Board_and_Council_Elections_2012:
Board and Council Elections 2012 - XMPP Wiki
Tobiasthat wiki should be available on port 80, btw
stpeterah, good
ralphmTobias: interestingly, it is!
KevWe can have one last meeting on the 30th then, I guess.
Tobiasralphm, got an url?
stpeterWFM
ralphmTobias: just chop off the port part
KevWithout anaesthetic? :o
m&mWFM
Tobiasralphm, ahh..thx...
ralphmTobias: someone should fix the config that it doesn't expose that additional weird port
Tobiasindeed
ralphmAlso, Cool URLs Don't Change!
KevSomeone needs to finish the porting of athena from lighttpd to nginx.
stpeterI have one AOB.... XEP-0071 and how to come to agreement on structured elements vs. stylistic presentation, but I suppose I'll just post to the list about that
KevI started and then got distracted, as so often happens.
ralphmI wish to stamp that on the head of everyone involved the slightest in anything related to publishing web pages
Kevstpeter: I think at this stage the answer is "We don't substantially change the XEP".
KevBut yes, that discussion can happen on-list.
KevOK, so next meeting 30th October, just before we get kicked out.
m&m/nod
ralphmTo be more blunt. I'm a solid -1 on anything adding stuff
ralphmlike rdfa
KevAny other any other business?
stpeternot adding anything, just softening some of the language, but I'll post to the list :)
m&mwhere are we on xep-0297 ?
KevWas I supposed to be giving that a read-through before we ask for an LC?
m&myes (-:
KevOK.
KevHave added to my TODO.
m&mI need to look at the list again … there might have been some comments that need addressing
KevAny other any other business?
m&mnone from me
ralphm-
Tobiasnone here
KevOK.
KevI think we're done then.
KevThanks all.
Kevbangs the gavel.
ralphmyay
ralphmthanks all
m&mw00t
Tobiasthanks
Tobiasbbl
stpeterbbiaf
m&mwonders in search of caffeine
ralphmflash!
stpeterwonders why m&m wonders instead of wanders
ralphmhehe
Tobiashas left
m&mbecause too much caffeine is a bad thing, and I've had at least 300mLs so far this morning
m&mwell, 300mLs of coffee
m&mand 300mLs of green tea
ralphmm&m: the SI designation for liter is lowercase l.
ralphmand no -s
m&mgraze
m&mI'm a silly American, anyway
ralphmwell, /you/ could still do the proper thing
ralphmit is a wonder (haha see above) you even know about them
m&min the end, I'm filled up my 150ml cup with more coffee
ralphm(them being the SI units)
m&mI said silly, not ignorant
m&md-:
MattJhas joined
ralphmm&m: I'm sorry, you're in the middle of hahaland
m&moh yesh
ralphmtoo bad you won't be in porland
MattJgrumbles at timezones
ralphmMattJ: seriously?
m&mI know, but there's only so much travel I can get away with before the family complains
ralphmm&m: right
MattJralphm, seriously :P
ralphmMattJ: coming weeks will be interesting for you
MattJQuite
m&moh crap … that's right
ralphmThe council meeting of the 30th will be in between the daylight switch of europe and the states
m&mI'll be traveling to Atlanta on the next change in the US
MattJLovely
m&mthis is why we should abolish DST
ralphmI think we didn't pick I time. I suggest 16:00 UTC
m&mI think that works for me
MattJMe too
KevYes.
stpeterok, I sent a message to the standards@ list about structure vs. style, we'll see what comes of it