XMPP Council - 2012-10-11

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14:56:34 m&m T - 10
14:57:35 Kev Yes.
14:57:43 Kev And I'm even here. With an alarm set on my phone.
14:59:41 m&m (-:
15:00:44 Kev Although anything could happen in the next 6 minutes.
15:04:09 Kev Alarm went off.
15:04:16 Kev So I'm on my own now.
15:05:54 m&m 30 seconds!
15:06:21 Kev Matt and Ralph poked.
15:06:23 Kev I don't see Tobias.
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15:06:42 Kev Hi Ralph.
15:07:03 m&m hola
15:07:03 Kev Matt's marked AFK,so I guess there's not too much hope there.
15:07:07 m&m /-:
15:07:08 Kev 1) Roll call.
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15:07:20 m&m presente
15:07:20 Kev I'm here.
15:07:21 stpeter howdy
15:07:25 Kev Evening Peter.
15:07:38 Kev And Ralph seems here too.
15:07:51 Kev 2) http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/xml-media-element.html Accept (newer version)?
15:07:52 Kanchil Kev: http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/xml-media-element.html: XEP-xxxx: Data Forms XML Element
15:08:06 m&m no objections
15:08:23 stpeter I think this one just fell off my radar screen
15:08:29 ralphm no objections to publish
15:08:31 Kev I do wonder if this needs some text about jabber:client|server.
15:08:37 Kev But this isn't a reason to not publish.
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15:09:02 ralphm I reiterate that I'm not sure the idea itself is a good one
15:09:03 Kev AFAICS, it would be illegal to do:
15:09:12 Tobias hi
15:09:32 Kev <message> <wrapper xmlns='...'> <not-from-xmpp xmlns='jabber:client'/> </wrapper> </message>
15:09:40 Kev Hi Tobias.
15:10:15 Kev Tobias: objections to http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/xml-media-element.html ?
15:10:16 Kanchil Kev: http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/xml-media-element.html: XEP-xxxx: Data Forms XML Element
15:10:42 m&m wouldn't we have to add that to every XEP, though?
15:11:06 m&m I don't think it's worth calling out any more here than we've done in other places.
15:11:10 Kev m&m: How many other XEPs claim to allow you to include arbitrary XML as a child?
15:11:18 m&m pubsub
15:11:27 m&m ok, at least one (-:
15:11:34 Kev This specifically calls out that you can use it for shipping XMPP logs, and it doesn't allow that.
15:11:47 Kev Assuming by 'logs' we mean 'telemetry'.
15:12:15 Kev But anyway, I'm not objecting to this.
15:12:27 Kev And I think Tobias has wandered off again.
15:12:37 Tobias what?
15:12:47 Tobias ah..one sec
15:13:06 ralphm I don't particularly like that you can have more than one child of wrapper
15:13:16 ralphm also not quite sure if you actually need a wrapper
15:13:43 Kev ralphm: Yes, I wondered that, but I think you do.
15:13:52 m&m I think the wrapper helps
15:13:57 ralphm iff you need one, it should only have one child element
15:13:58 Kev That is - you need to know "This is a blob of XML that is an answer to this field".
15:14:07 Kev Rather than "This is some field type that you don't understand".
15:14:33 ralphm otherwise it is more than one xml blob
15:14:39 ralphm (possibly)
15:14:48 Kev Yes, although whether that matters is another issue.
15:14:56 Kev Do you want to block it on that basis, or just comment onlist?
15:15:19 ralphm I said already I have no objections to it being published
15:15:30 ralphm I am not sure I like the way it works
15:15:32 Tobias no objections to it from my side
15:15:40 Kev You did - I was checking you hadn't changed your mind :)
15:15:42 Kev OK.
15:16:02 Kev 3) Date of next meeting.
15:16:23 ralphm I'll be in SF/Portland the coming two weeks
15:16:29 Kev Next Wednesday looks OK for me, unless I get called to be onsite again with short notice.
15:16:35 stpeter glances at http://wiki.xmpp.org:12480/web/Board_and_Council_Elections_2012
15:16:36 Kanchil stpeter: http://wiki.xmpp.org:12480/web/Board_and_Council_Elections_2012: Board and Council Elections 2012 - XMPP Wiki
15:16:55 Tobias that wiki should be available on port 80, btw
15:17:07 stpeter ah, good
15:17:12 ralphm Tobias: interestingly, it is!
15:17:21 Kev We can have one last meeting on the 30th then, I guess.
15:17:25 Tobias ralphm, got an url?
15:17:29 stpeter WFM
15:17:36 ralphm Tobias: just chop off the port part
15:17:45 Kev Without anaesthetic? :o
15:17:46 m&m WFM
15:17:50 Tobias ralphm, ahh..thx...
15:18:11 ralphm Tobias: someone should fix the config that it doesn't expose that additional weird port
15:18:18 Tobias indeed
15:18:24 ralphm Also, Cool URLs Don't Change!
15:18:42 Kev Someone needs to finish the porting of athena from lighttpd to nginx.
15:18:46 stpeter I have one AOB.... XEP-0071 and how to come to agreement on structured elements vs. stylistic presentation, but I suppose I'll just post to the list about that
15:18:50 Kev I started and then got distracted, as so often happens.
15:18:57 ralphm I wish to stamp that on the head of everyone involved the slightest in anything related to publishing web pages
15:19:23 Kev stpeter: I think at this stage the answer is "We don't substantially change the XEP".
15:19:34 Kev But yes, that discussion can happen on-list.
15:19:45 Kev OK, so next meeting 30th October, just before we get kicked out.
15:19:47 m&m /nod
15:19:47 ralphm To be more blunt. I'm a solid -1 on anything adding stuff
15:19:55 ralphm like rdfa
15:20:01 Kev Any other any other business?
15:20:07 stpeter not adding anything, just softening some of the language, but I'll post to the list :)
15:20:27 m&m where are we on xep-0297 ?
15:21:07 Kev Was I supposed to be giving that a read-through before we ask for an LC?
15:21:14 m&m yes (-:
15:21:18 Kev OK.
15:21:33 Kev Have added to my TODO.
15:21:36 m&m I need to look at the list again … there might have been some comments that need addressing
15:21:50 Kev Any other any other business?
15:22:11 m&m none from me
15:22:12 ralphm -
15:22:28 Tobias none here
15:22:31 Kev OK.
15:22:34 Kev I think we're done then.
15:22:36 Kev Thanks all.
15:22:39 Kev bangs the gavel.
15:22:40 ralphm yay
15:22:42 ralphm thanks all
15:22:43 m&m w00t
15:22:45 Tobias thanks
15:22:47 Tobias bbl
15:23:00 stpeter bbiaf
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15:23:43 ralphm flash!
15:24:01 stpeter wonders why m&m wonders instead of wanders
15:24:13 ralphm hehe
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15:30:22 m&m because too much caffeine is a bad thing, and I've had at least 300mLs so far this morning
15:30:42 m&m well, 300mLs of coffee
15:30:54 m&m and 300mLs of green tea
15:31:28 ralphm m&m: the SI designation for liter is lowercase l.
15:31:32 ralphm and no -s
15:31:38 m&m graze
15:31:48 m&m I'm a silly American, anyway
15:32:03 ralphm well, /you/ could still do the proper thing
15:32:18 ralphm it is a wonder (haha see above) you even know about them
15:32:22 m&m in the end, I'm filled up my 150ml cup with more coffee
15:32:26 ralphm (them being the SI units)
15:32:34 m&m I said silly, not ignorant
15:32:35 m&m d-:
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15:32:50 ralphm m&m: I'm sorry, you're in the middle of hahaland
15:33:01 m&m oh yesh
15:33:38 ralphm too bad you won't be in porland
15:34:00 MattJ grumbles at timezones
15:34:17 ralphm MattJ: seriously?
15:34:20 m&m I know, but there's only so much travel I can get away with before the family complains
15:34:37 ralphm m&m: right
15:34:58 MattJ ralphm, seriously :P
15:35:08 ralphm MattJ: coming weeks will be interesting for you
15:35:20 MattJ Quite
15:35:47 m&m oh crap … that's right
15:35:53 ralphm The council meeting of the 30th will be in between the daylight switch of europe and the states
15:36:05 m&m I'll be traveling to Atlanta on the next change in the US
15:36:08 MattJ Lovely
15:36:55 m&m this is why we should abolish DST
15:37:18 ralphm I think we didn't pick I time. I suggest 16:00 UTC
15:38:04 m&m I think that works for me
15:38:15 MattJ Me too
15:42:47 Kev Yes.
15:45:27 stpeter ok, I sent a message to the standards@ list about structure vs. style, we'll see what comes of it
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