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m&m
T - 10
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Kev
Yes.
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Kev
And I'm even here. With an alarm set on my phone.
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m&m
(-:
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Kev
Although anything could happen in the next 6 minutes.
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Kev
Alarm went off.
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Kev
So I'm on my own now.
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m&m
30 seconds!
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Kev
Matt and Ralph poked.
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Kev
I don't see Tobias.
- ralphm waves
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Kev
Hi Ralph.
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m&m
hola
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Kev
Matt's marked AFK,so I guess there's not too much hope there.
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m&m
/-:
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Kev
1) Roll call.
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m&m
presente
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Kev
I'm here.
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stpeter
howdy
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Kev
Evening Peter.
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Kev
And Ralph seems here too.
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Kev
2) http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/xml-media-element.html Accept (newer version)?
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Kanchil
Kev: http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/xml-media-element.html: XEP-xxxx: Data Forms XML Element
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m&m
no objections
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stpeter
I think this one just fell off my radar screen
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ralphm
no objections to publish
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Kev
I do wonder if this needs some text about jabber:client|server.
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Kev
But this isn't a reason to not publish.
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ralphm
I reiterate that I'm not sure the idea itself is a good one
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Kev
AFAICS, it would be illegal to do:
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Tobias
hi
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Kev
<message> <wrapper xmlns='...'> <not-from-xmpp xmlns='jabber:client'/> </wrapper> </message>
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Kev
Hi Tobias.
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Kev
Tobias: objections to http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/xml-media-element.html ?
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Kanchil
Kev: http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/xml-media-element.html: XEP-xxxx: Data Forms XML Element
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m&m
wouldn't we have to add that to every XEP, though?
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m&m
I don't think it's worth calling out any more here than we've done in other places.
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Kev
m&m: How many other XEPs claim to allow you to include arbitrary XML as a child?
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m&m
pubsub
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m&m
ok, at least one (-:
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Kev
This specifically calls out that you can use it for shipping XMPP logs, and it doesn't allow that.
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Kev
Assuming by 'logs' we mean 'telemetry'.
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Kev
But anyway, I'm not objecting to this.
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Kev
And I think Tobias has wandered off again.
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Tobias
what?
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Tobias
ah..one sec
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ralphm
I don't particularly like that you can have more than one child of wrapper
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ralphm
also not quite sure if you actually need a wrapper
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Kev
ralphm: Yes, I wondered that, but I think you do.
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m&m
I think the wrapper helps
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ralphm
iff you need one, it should only have one child element
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Kev
That is - you need to know "This is a blob of XML that is an answer to this field".
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Kev
Rather than "This is some field type that you don't understand".
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ralphm
otherwise it is more than one xml blob
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ralphm
(possibly)
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Kev
Yes, although whether that matters is another issue.
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Kev
Do you want to block it on that basis, or just comment onlist?
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ralphm
I said already I have no objections to it being published
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ralphm
I am not sure I like the way it works
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Tobias
no objections to it from my side
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Kev
You did - I was checking you hadn't changed your mind :)
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Kev
OK.
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Kev
3) Date of next meeting.
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ralphm
I'll be in SF/Portland the coming two weeks
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Kev
Next Wednesday looks OK for me, unless I get called to be onsite again with short notice.
- stpeter glances at http://wiki.xmpp.org:12480/web/Board_and_Council_Elections_2012
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Kanchil
stpeter: http://wiki.xmpp.org:12480/web/Board_and_Council_Elections_2012: Board and Council Elections 2012 - XMPP Wiki
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Tobias
that wiki should be available on port 80, btw
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stpeter
ah, good
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ralphm
Tobias: interestingly, it is!
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Kev
We can have one last meeting on the 30th then, I guess.
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Tobias
ralphm, got an url?
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stpeter
WFM
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ralphm
Tobias: just chop off the port part
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Kev
Without anaesthetic? :o
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m&m
WFM
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Tobias
ralphm, ahh..thx...
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ralphm
Tobias: someone should fix the config that it doesn't expose that additional weird port
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Tobias
indeed
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ralphm
Also, Cool URLs Don't Change!
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Kev
Someone needs to finish the porting of athena from lighttpd to nginx.
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stpeter
I have one AOB.... XEP-0071 and how to come to agreement on structured elements vs. stylistic presentation, but I suppose I'll just post to the list about that
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Kev
I started and then got distracted, as so often happens.
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ralphm
I wish to stamp that on the head of everyone involved the slightest in anything related to publishing web pages
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Kev
stpeter: I think at this stage the answer is "We don't substantially change the XEP".
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Kev
But yes, that discussion can happen on-list.
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Kev
OK, so next meeting 30th October, just before we get kicked out.
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m&m
/nod
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ralphm
To be more blunt. I'm a solid -1 on anything adding stuff
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ralphm
like rdfa
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Kev
Any other any other business?
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stpeter
not adding anything, just softening some of the language, but I'll post to the list :)
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m&m
where are we on xep-0297 ?
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Kev
Was I supposed to be giving that a read-through before we ask for an LC?
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m&m
yes (-:
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Kev
OK.
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Kev
Have added to my TODO.
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m&m
I need to look at the list again … there might have been some comments that need addressing
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Kev
Any other any other business?
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m&m
none from me
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ralphm
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Tobias
none here
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Kev
OK.
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Kev
I think we're done then.
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Kev
Thanks all.
- Kev bangs the gavel.
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ralphm
yay
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ralphm
thanks all
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m&m
w00t
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Tobias
thanks
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Tobias
bbl
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stpeter
bbiaf
- m&m wonders in search of caffeine
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ralphm
flash!
- stpeter wonders why m&m wonders instead of wanders
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ralphm
hehe
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m&m
because too much caffeine is a bad thing, and I've had at least 300mLs so far this morning
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m&m
well, 300mLs of coffee
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m&m
and 300mLs of green tea
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ralphm
m&m: the SI designation for liter is lowercase l.
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ralphm
and no -s
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m&m
graze
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m&m
I'm a silly American, anyway
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ralphm
well, /you/ could still do the proper thing
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ralphm
it is a wonder (haha see above) you even know about them
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m&m
in the end, I'm filled up my 150ml cup with more coffee
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ralphm
(them being the SI units)
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m&m
I said silly, not ignorant
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m&m
d-:
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ralphm
m&m: I'm sorry, you're in the middle of hahaland
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m&m
oh yesh
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ralphm
too bad you won't be in porland
- MattJ grumbles at timezones
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ralphm
MattJ: seriously?
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m&m
I know, but there's only so much travel I can get away with before the family complains
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ralphm
m&m: right
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MattJ
ralphm, seriously :P
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ralphm
MattJ: coming weeks will be interesting for you
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MattJ
Quite
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m&m
oh crap … that's right
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ralphm
The council meeting of the 30th will be in between the daylight switch of europe and the states
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m&m
I'll be traveling to Atlanta on the next change in the US
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MattJ
Lovely
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m&m
this is why we should abolish DST
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ralphm
I think we didn't pick I time. I suggest 16:00 UTC
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m&m
I think that works for me
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MattJ
Me too
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Kev
Yes.
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stpeter
ok, I sent a message to the standards@ list about structure vs. style, we'll see what comes of it