XMPP Council - 2013-01-02


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  16. Kev

    Hi Ralph.

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  18. Tobias

    hi

  19. Kev

    m&m: You here?

  20. Kev

    It is time.

  21. m&m

    I am now

  22. MattJ

    Ditto

  23. Kev

    Good afternoon ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to this year's first installment of ... The EX EM PEE PEE Council.

  24. Kev

    1) Roll call.

  25. Kev

    I'm here.

  26. m&m

    presente

  27. Tobias

    there

  28. Kev

    ralphm: Still here?

  29. ralphm

    here

  30. Kev

    Excellent.

  31. Kev

    2) http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/mep.html Accept as XEP?

  32. Kanchil

    Kev: http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/mep.html: XEP-XXXX: MUC Eventing Protocol

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  34. m&m

    no objections

  35. ralphm

    +1

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  37. Kev

    I had a couple of niggles with this, but nothing blocking.

  38. MattJ

    +1

  39. Kev

    (Niggles like the Note: box being wrong, and a typo of MEP becoming NEP)

  40. ralphm

    Kev: sure thing

  41. Tobias

    +1

  42. MattJ

    Sorry, I have a bad connection atm, may pop in and out

  43. MattJ

    Kev, oh good, just editorial?

  44. MattJ

    Of the various approaches to MEP that we've ever had, this has always been my favourite

  45. Kev

    I think so, although I'm shattered today so maybe I've just forgotten.

  46. Kev

    It's the only approach that can fundamentally work, I think - although there are lots of things that need to be cleared up.

  47. Kev

    When room history is limited to stuff a day old, MEP should be limited as well, it interacts with Fast Reconnect, etc.

  48. ralphm

    I still have to read it in detail, and a great thing to discuss in a few weeks

  49. Kev

    And when you publish to your PEP node, that should be autopushed to your MEP nodes, presumably.

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  51. stpeter

    happy new year

  52. Kev

    But yes, clearing this stuff up in Brussels would be a good use of time there.

  53. Kev

    Hi Peter, HNY.

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  55. Kev

    3) http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/hats.html Accept as Experimental?

  56. Kanchil

    Kev: http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/hats.html: XEP-xxxx: Hats

  57. ralphm

    +1

  58. ralphm

    good to see this in writing now

  59. m&m

    also no objections

  60. Kev

    I don't have any fundamental objections to this, although I think that (3) is probably the wrong choice for the format.

  61. MattJ

    +1 to hats

  62. Kev

    I'm glad it doesn't cover some of the madnessess that I've heard discussed for hats over the years.

  63. stpeter

    ralphm: it took only 2 or 3 years, I think

  64. m&m

    (-:

  65. Kev

    3, I think.

  66. ralphm

    I had been thinking of a wrapper around the custom element, but I still have to think that over

  67. stpeter

    ralphm: yeah, I need to give it some more thought too

  68. Kev

    I think you have to assume that clients aren't going to understand the hats themselves in most circumstances.

  69. Tobias

    the example form maps a hat to nicknames? shouldn't it map hats to real jids?

  70. ralphm

    Kev, right

  71. Kev

    Tobias: A reasonable question.

  72. stpeter

    Tobias: quite possibly

  73. Tobias

    stpeter, when removing a had, you at least remove by jid in your example

  74. Kev

    Tobias: Is that blocking?

  75. waqas

    I had a whole bunch of minor questions and issues, but those can go on the ML after these get published :)

  76. ralphm

    Another fine topic for discussion in Brussels

  77. waqas

    (I was attempting to implement both the specs)

  78. Tobias

    Kev, nope..could be fixed during experimental imo

  79. Tobias

    waqas, in which client? ;)

  80. waqas

    Tobias: Servers have to do everything first

  81. ralphm

    For hats I expect many application-specific hats, that generic clients won't do much with, except maybe show their name.

  82. Tobias

    waqas, mimimimi.....

  83. stpeter

    waqas: I'm not surprised -- I wrote the hats spec in a hurry and haven't touched it in several weeks

  84. ralphm

    Like for games

  85. Kev

    OK, so that's everyone happy with this, I think.

  86. Tobias

    could be combined with bits of binary to add small icons for hats, etc.

  87. Kev

    Tobias: No, I think that's MEP :)

  88. Kev

    Aaaaanyway.

  89. Kev

    4) Date of next meeting.

  90. Kev

    Next Wed, usual time?

  91. Tobias

    wfm

  92. MattJ

    +1

  93. ralphm

    Yeah

  94. Kev

    m&m?

  95. m&m

    double-you eff em

  96. Kev

    5) Any other business?

  97. waqas

    m&m: That could be interpreted incorrectly..

  98. m&m

    none from me

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  100. Kev

    stpeter: Thanks.

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  102. Kev

    OK, with no other business I guess we're done.

  103. m&m

    same here

  104. Kev

    Thanks all.

  105. m&m

    tea, that is

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  107. ralphm

    yay

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  109. MattJ

    Oh, note... stpeter wrote in the call for talks that council would select from submissions

  110. MattJ

    I haven't personally had time to review them yet, shall we aim to do that next week?

  111. ralphm

    muhaha

  112. Kev

    I'm completely not on top of FOSDEM stuff.

  113. Kev

    I'm happy to review stuff (although don't recall seeing enough submissions for stuff to not fit anyway), but I'd greatly appreciate if someone could tell me what to review :)

  114. ralphm

    I think with the start of the new year we should give this new attention

  115. ralphm

    I believe the submission deadline for the FOSDEM flyer is nearing

  116. ralphm looks that up

  117. ralphm

    oh we set a deadline of 31 December

  118. MattJ

    Yes

  119. Kev

    Have we got enough talks to fill the time?

  120. Kev

    I'm happy enough to put a talk in if we're short and someone can think of anything interesting for me to say.

  121. Kev

    But have nothing particularly burning to say.

  122. Kev

    I'm guessing we'll start with the usual XMPP 101 with some combination of Remko/Peter/me one way or another.

  123. Tobias

    those are for FOSDEM right?

  124. Tobias

    not for summit, the talks

  125. Kev

    Yes.

  126. Tobias

    k

  127. ralphm

    I count 7 proposals on the summit ml

  128. ralphm

    not sure if people have sent requests directly to peter

  129. MattJ

    How much time do we have in the devroom this year?

  130. ralphm looks

  131. ralphm

    11:00-19:00

  132. ralphm

    and the hard dead-line for the submission of our schedule for the devroom is January 10

  133. MattJ

    So we have plenty of room I gather

  134. ralphm

    yeah

  135. ralphm

    it is nice to not have to cram things in a schedule

  136. MattJ

    Some years we fill gaps with lightning talks, which generally get filled

  137. MattJ

    People always have something to say when given the chance :)

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