KevThat's editorial, so I think we can ask Peter to just fix it as he pushes the new version.
m&m/nod
ralphmoh right, +1
Kev3) Obsoleting compliance
KevPeter'd like to obsolete the obsolete compliance suites.
KevSeems sensible to me. Keeping the latest version not obsolete also seems sensible to me.
m&mright
m&mno objections from me
ralphmI've come to terms with the fact that those entities we would like to strongly get into compliance will not actually be coerced into that by these compliance suites at all.
ZashTime for compliance suite 2013 soon? :)
ralphmthat said, I'm +1 on obsoleting the obsolete
m&mI'd rather have "Now THAT'S What I call Compliance 7" or some such … not actually based on a year
Kevralphm: I think there are entities that can be encouraged by this marketing ploy if they know about it.
Kevralphm: And keeping the 'current' one not obsolete?
ralphmKev: I am thinking of the truly big entities, like Google.
ralphmKev: yeah
KevCool.
Kev4) XHTML-IM to Final (do I need to publish an updated version?)
KevHas Waqas's feedback been addressed yet? I thought it hadn't.
m&mhas Waqas provided feedback?
KevWas it not Waqas? Someone had found bunches of security holes in various implementations, and we/Peter were/was going to update the XEP to discuss them and suggest it's better if you don't have them. I'm pretty sure that was Waqas.
m&mI remember Waqas saying he found a bunch, but I never saw was that list was
m&mmaybe it was shared with a limited party
KevAh, maybe he didn't send it, then.
KevI don't recall seeing it, it's true.
KevOK, I'll chase Waqas, then.
m&min which case, his publicized concerns have been addressed, IMO
m&mplease
KevI'd rather delay Finaling it until it's clear that they're addressed.
ralphmAren't those basically implementation issues. I don't think the actual protocol will need to change.
ralphmso that's ready for Final
m&mI don't remember seeing a list, so I don't know if they were implementations or actual protocol problems
ralphmpossible editorial clarifications or security notices can always be added if needed
m&mhow about we give him a fortnight to publicize the concerns?
m&massuming Kev chases him down soon
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KevHow about we go for after FOSDEM?
stpetersorry I'm late
m&mthat works
KevIt's not clear to me whether I'll be able to do meetings between now and then anyway.
Kevstpeter: Forgiven :)
ralphm+1
stpeterI can ping Waqas
stpeterI too recall some possible implementation stupidities (really)
stpeterlike allowing silly CSS stuff
m&meven though they're NOT RECOMMENDED in the spec
stpeterIIRC they were things that you'd have to be really stupid about in HTML, but I suppose some people are
stpeterm&m: right
m&mI just can't find that list
Kevstpeter: OK, if you're pinging him fab, thanks. One fewer thing for me to forget to do.
m&m(-:
Kev5) Date of next meeting.
ralphmstpeter: stupid is usually just throwing the incoming stuff verbatim into an HTML renderer
stpeterralphm: among other things, yes
KevI'd quite like to delay until Feb, depending whether other people are OK with that.
stpeterKev: seems OK
ralphm+1
m&mwfm
KevOK, so next meeting whatever the first Wed in Feb is, normal time.
Kev6) AOB?
stpeterreading the log, I'm not quite sure what to do about the compliance suite specs -- obsolete them all? (it seems some folks think it might be beneficial to have a "living document")
Kevstpeter: I think we agreed to obsolete all but the latest.
ralphmwhat Kev said
stpeterright, and then figure out what to do
stpetersure
stpeterWFM
m&mexactly
stpeterwill do, then
KevTa.
KevAny OB?
m&mnone from me
stpeternone here
KevI will be at FOSDEM, BTW, although I still need to book stuff (I think I wasn't sure last time we had a meeting).
KevSo, I think we're done.
stpeterok
KevThanks all.
stpeteryep
Kevbangs the gavel.
stpeterthanks indeed!
ralphmstpeter: did we come up with a final room schedule?
stpeterralphm: I don't think so -- will work with bear on that today or tonight
ralphmah, ok
ralphmI should be around tonight (for me) as well
ralphmif needed
ralphmhard dead line is tomorrow
stpeterok thanks
stpeteryes
stpetergot it
stpeterso I'll get to work on that sooner rather than later :)
stpeterbut first, some tea :)
stpeterbrb
KevI think there was some confusion over whether talks were for FOSDEM or the summit.
KevLast I saw on the list.
stpeteraha
bearthat confusion was only with me I think
stpeterhi bear :)
KevWell, I wasn't sure, so at least I was confused as well.
bearI like to share my confusion with others it seems ;)
stpeterheh
stpetergenerally all the talks are for FOSDEM unless they're too geeky
KevRight.
beardoes fosdem have that speaker app/tool again?
stpeterbear: oh yes
stpeterbear: it's quite the fun thing IIRC
bearyea, I remember using an earlier version of it
stpeterbear: will ping you via PM here soonish to coordinate, but first I need to get vaguely organized :)
bearnods
Kevbear: You're at FOSDEM this time aren't you?
bearI leave sunday, but yes
KevExcellent.
KevI'm probably going to leave Sunday, myself.
stpeternods
bearyea, I wasn't going to short my self by not going to at least one day of fosdem
ralphmmeating
stpeter:)
ralphmleaving after it, I think
stpeterralphm: I'm happy to see that you have your priorities in line :)
KevAre we likely to be meating on the Saturday or the Sunday?
ralphmSunday, I am guessing
KevSeems a shame to miss that, but I'm not sure I'll hang around long enough for the Sunday night.
ralphmif florian is indeed going to fix Saturday for dinner
KevOh. I thought the suggestion was much earlier for dinner - Thursday or whatever.
ralphmlast time I talked with him about it, he said that the place is closed on Thursday
KevAh.
ralphmOf course Friday is the pre-FOSDEM drink event. But I don't care for that as much.
KevWords fail to describe how little I wish to attend that :)
ralphmused to be awesome with around 200 people
ralphmBut now first some zuurkool met spek.
stpeteragreed on Friday
bearchecks...
bearyep, leaving sunday morning
Kevralphm: I suspect it used to be awesome /for people who drink/ :)
stpeteryeah, it's pretty insane
stpeterthe first time I went (still at L'Roi d'Espagne or whatever) it was fun
stpeterso we'll simply need to make other plans
KevMy preference, which doesn't count for much, would be to have the XSF dinner on the Friday and then just a meating on the Saturday.
bearagrees with Kev
stpeterthat would work for me
bearthe dinner on friday can happen early enough to give time for the drinkers to wander over to the other event
KevWas there going to be a Board meeting after the Council meeting today, or has that habit stopped now?
bearhmm, there could have been
bearthe only two things on the "must get done" list were the hotel and planning for fosdem
KevXSF meal is on the Thursday.
KevJust checked with Florian
KevI think Thursday is preferable to Friday :)
bearsame
bearthen the only item to finish is the speaker list, and we will be doing that later in the day
bearlet me send an email to the members list saying that so anyone can pipe up if they have something they are worried about
KevFab.
KevIt wasn't a case of needing a Board meeting to discuss anything, I just like to turn up whenever they are.
bearnods
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stpeter.
stpetershall we chat here instead? ;-)
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Tobiasfriday sounds way better...especially since i'll arrive friday morning :D
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ralphmTobias: bad planning
Tobiasralphm, well...i have collisions with end semester exams on thursday
ralphmsadness
ralphmI missed 1 FOSDEM because of my master's thesis
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Tobiasralphm, what was your master thesis about?
ralphmTobias: a research vehicle for streaming video with graceful degradation