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Kev
Blah, the diff tool isn't working. This is going to make checking Kurt's diff somewhat harder.
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m&m
yeah
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m&m
noticed that earlier this morning
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Kev
https://gitorious.org/xmpp/xmpp/commit/c1d9716bfe7e0171a8b82a5f69da811d3e2f0d1b
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m&m
hrmph
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m&m
ok, now that is loading (-:
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Kev
Righty, it is time.
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ralphm
hi
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Kev
I don't see Tobias online.
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Kev
Hi Ralph.
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Kev
1) Roll call.
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Kev
I'm here.
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m&m
presente
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Kev
I have apologies from MattJ.
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ralphm
I'm here
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Kev
Tobias seems missing.
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Kev
2) XEP-0258 Accept 1.1? http://xmpp.org/extensions/diff/api/xep/0258/diff/1.0/vs/1.1rc1 http://xmpp.org/extensions/tmp/xep-0258-1.1.html
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Kev
This is a simple change, I'm happy with it.
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ralphm
that first link doesn't work for me
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Kev
Yeah, it's down. There's a git diff further in your scrollback.
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m&m
There's a typo in the first sentence s/returned/return/
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Kev
m&m: So there is.
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m&m
https://gitorious.org/xmpp/xmpp/commit/c1d9716bfe7e0171a8b82a5f69da811d3e2f0d1b
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m&m
otherwise I'm +1
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Kev
That's editorial, so I think we can ask Peter to just fix it as he pushes the new version.
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m&m
/nod
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ralphm
oh right, +1
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Kev
3) Obsoleting compliance
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Kev
Peter'd like to obsolete the obsolete compliance suites.
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Kev
Seems sensible to me. Keeping the latest version not obsolete also seems sensible to me.
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m&m
right
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m&m
no objections from me
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ralphm
I've come to terms with the fact that those entities we would like to strongly get into compliance will not actually be coerced into that by these compliance suites at all.
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Zash
Time for compliance suite 2013 soon? :)
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ralphm
that said, I'm +1 on obsoleting the obsolete
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m&m
I'd rather have "Now THAT'S What I call Compliance 7" or some such … not actually based on a year
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Kev
ralphm: I think there are entities that can be encouraged by this marketing ploy if they know about it.
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Kev
ralphm: And keeping the 'current' one not obsolete?
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ralphm
Kev: I am thinking of the truly big entities, like Google.
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ralphm
Kev: yeah
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Kev
Cool.
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Kev
4) XHTML-IM to Final (do I need to publish an updated version?)
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Kev
Has Waqas's feedback been addressed yet? I thought it hadn't.
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m&m
has Waqas provided feedback?
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Kev
Was it not Waqas? Someone had found bunches of security holes in various implementations, and we/Peter were/was going to update the XEP to discuss them and suggest it's better if you don't have them. I'm pretty sure that was Waqas.
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m&m
I remember Waqas saying he found a bunch, but I never saw was that list was
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m&m
maybe it was shared with a limited party
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Kev
Ah, maybe he didn't send it, then.
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Kev
I don't recall seeing it, it's true.
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Kev
OK, I'll chase Waqas, then.
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m&m
in which case, his publicized concerns have been addressed, IMO
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m&m
please
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Kev
I'd rather delay Finaling it until it's clear that they're addressed.
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ralphm
Aren't those basically implementation issues. I don't think the actual protocol will need to change.
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ralphm
so that's ready for Final
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m&m
I don't remember seeing a list, so I don't know if they were implementations or actual protocol problems
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ralphm
possible editorial clarifications or security notices can always be added if needed
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m&m
how about we give him a fortnight to publicize the concerns?
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m&m
assuming Kev chases him down soon
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Kev
How about we go for after FOSDEM?
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stpeter
sorry I'm late
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m&m
that works
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Kev
It's not clear to me whether I'll be able to do meetings between now and then anyway.
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Kev
stpeter: Forgiven :)
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ralphm
+1
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stpeter
I can ping Waqas
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stpeter
I too recall some possible implementation stupidities (really)
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stpeter
like allowing silly CSS stuff
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m&m
even though they're NOT RECOMMENDED in the spec
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stpeter
IIRC they were things that you'd have to be really stupid about in HTML, but I suppose some people are
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stpeter
m&m: right
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m&m
I just can't find that list
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Kev
stpeter: OK, if you're pinging him fab, thanks. One fewer thing for me to forget to do.
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m&m
(-:
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Kev
5) Date of next meeting.
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ralphm
stpeter: stupid is usually just throwing the incoming stuff verbatim into an HTML renderer
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stpeter
ralphm: among other things, yes
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Kev
I'd quite like to delay until Feb, depending whether other people are OK with that.
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stpeter
Kev: seems OK
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ralphm
+1
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m&m
wfm
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Kev
OK, so next meeting whatever the first Wed in Feb is, normal time.
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Kev
6) AOB?
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stpeter
reading the log, I'm not quite sure what to do about the compliance suite specs -- obsolete them all? (it seems some folks think it might be beneficial to have a "living document")
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Kev
stpeter: I think we agreed to obsolete all but the latest.
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ralphm
what Kev said
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stpeter
right, and then figure out what to do
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stpeter
sure
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stpeter
WFM
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m&m
exactly
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stpeter
will do, then
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Kev
Ta.
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Kev
Any OB?
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m&m
none from me
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stpeter
none here
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Kev
I will be at FOSDEM, BTW, although I still need to book stuff (I think I wasn't sure last time we had a meeting).
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Kev
So, I think we're done.
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stpeter
ok
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Kev
Thanks all.
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stpeter
yep
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stpeter
thanks indeed!
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ralphm
stpeter: did we come up with a final room schedule?
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stpeter
ralphm: I don't think so -- will work with bear on that today or tonight
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ralphm
ah, ok
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ralphm
I should be around tonight (for me) as well
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ralphm
if needed
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ralphm
hard dead line is tomorrow
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stpeter
ok thanks
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stpeter
yes
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stpeter
got it
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stpeter
so I'll get to work on that sooner rather than later :)
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stpeter
but first, some tea :)
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stpeter
brb
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Kev
I think there was some confusion over whether talks were for FOSDEM or the summit.
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Kev
Last I saw on the list.
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stpeter
aha
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bear
that confusion was only with me I think
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stpeter
hi bear :)
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Kev
Well, I wasn't sure, so at least I was confused as well.
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bear
I like to share my confusion with others it seems ;)
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stpeter
heh
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stpeter
generally all the talks are for FOSDEM unless they're too geeky
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Kev
Right.
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bear
does fosdem have that speaker app/tool again?
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stpeter
bear: oh yes
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stpeter
bear: it's quite the fun thing IIRC
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bear
yea, I remember using an earlier version of it
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stpeter
bear: will ping you via PM here soonish to coordinate, but first I need to get vaguely organized :)
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Kev
bear: You're at FOSDEM this time aren't you?
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bear
I leave sunday, but yes
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Kev
Excellent.
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Kev
I'm probably going to leave Sunday, myself.
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bear
yea, I wasn't going to short my self by not going to at least one day of fosdem
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ralphm
meating
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stpeter
:)
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ralphm
leaving after it, I think
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stpeter
ralphm: I'm happy to see that you have your priorities in line :)
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Kev
Are we likely to be meating on the Saturday or the Sunday?
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ralphm
Sunday, I am guessing
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Kev
Seems a shame to miss that, but I'm not sure I'll hang around long enough for the Sunday night.
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ralphm
if florian is indeed going to fix Saturday for dinner
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Kev
Oh. I thought the suggestion was much earlier for dinner - Thursday or whatever.
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ralphm
last time I talked with him about it, he said that the place is closed on Thursday
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Kev
Ah.
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ralphm
Of course Friday is the pre-FOSDEM drink event. But I don't care for that as much.
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Kev
Words fail to describe how little I wish to attend that :)
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ralphm
used to be awesome with around 200 people
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ralphm
But now first some zuurkool met spek.
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stpeter
agreed on Friday
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bear
yep, leaving sunday morning
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Kev
ralphm: I suspect it used to be awesome /for people who drink/ :)
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stpeter
yeah, it's pretty insane
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stpeter
the first time I went (still at L'Roi d'Espagne or whatever) it was fun
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stpeter
so we'll simply need to make other plans
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Kev
My preference, which doesn't count for much, would be to have the XSF dinner on the Friday and then just a meating on the Saturday.
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stpeter
that would work for me
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bear
the dinner on friday can happen early enough to give time for the drinkers to wander over to the other event
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Kev
Was there going to be a Board meeting after the Council meeting today, or has that habit stopped now?
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bear
hmm, there could have been
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bear
the only two things on the "must get done" list were the hotel and planning for fosdem
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Kev
XSF meal is on the Thursday.
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Kev
Just checked with Florian
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Kev
I think Thursday is preferable to Friday :)
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bear
same
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bear
then the only item to finish is the speaker list, and we will be doing that later in the day
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bear
let me send an email to the members list saying that so anyone can pipe up if they have something they are worried about
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Kev
Fab.
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Kev
It wasn't a case of needing a Board meeting to discuss anything, I just like to turn up whenever they are.
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ralphm
.
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stpeter
.
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stpeter
shall we chat here instead? ;-)
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Tobias
friday sounds way better...especially since i'll arrive friday morning :D
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ralphm
Tobias: bad planning
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Tobias
ralphm, well...i have collisions with end semester exams on thursday
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ralphm
sadness
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ralphm
I missed 1 FOSDEM because of my master's thesis
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Tobias
ralphm, what was your master thesis about?
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ralphm
Tobias: a research vehicle for streaming video with graceful degradation
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Tobias
ah..interesting
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ralphm
http://alexandria.tue.nl/extra1/afstversl/wsk-i/meijer2004.pdf
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ralphm
stpeter, bear: as always, the deadline slipped. They want it before the 15th, with a hard deadline the 18th
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ralphm
our room is H.2213
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bear
thanks ralphm
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ralphm
but you may still finish it today, of course :-)
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stpeter
ralphm: I will certainly do so this week, anyway, but will endeavor to get it mostly stable this evening
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bear
stpeter - if you get the list wrangled on the wiki - I will do the data entry
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stpeter
bear: ok
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stpeter
the data entry is the fun part :)
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bear
haha - well, i'm not going to take away your fun - just figured that was a good split
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stpeter
for sure
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stpeter
will ping you later, time for another meeting here :)
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bear
k
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ralphm
stpeter: do you still have valid pentabarf credentials?
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ralphm
(I do)
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stpeter
ralphm: probably, but I need to check
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