XMPP Council - 2013-04-17

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  28. Tobias

    can't attend the meeting later...will reply on list tomorrow

  29. Kev


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  31. ralphm

    Hi Fans!

  32. Kev

    It's a Ralph.

  33. m&m

    *THE* Ralph (m)

  34. Kev


  35. Kev

    1) Roll call.

  36. m&m


  37. Kev

    I'm here.

  38. Kev


  39. Kev


  40. Kev

    Tobias sent apologies.

  41. ralphm


  42. Kev

    No sign of other Matt, I've poked him directly too.

  43. Kev

    2) http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0288.html Move to Draft?

  44. Kanchil

    Kev: http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0288.html: XEP-0288: Bidirectional Server-to-Server Connections

  45. Kev

    I'll vote onlist for this.

  46. m&m

    same here

  47. ralphm


  48. Kev

    I'm strongly tempted to write up a mock and implement 220/288 myself just so I can claim to understand them properly, but realistically I won't have time in the next fortnight and will vote 'blind'.

  49. Kev

    3) http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0152.html

  50. Kanchil

    Kev: http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0152.html: XEP-0152: Reachability Addresses

  51. MattJ

    Eek, here

  52. Kev

    Move to Draft?

  53. m&m

    I'll vote onlist

  54. MattJ

    Had another meeting fullscreen and didn't realise the itme

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  56. ralphm

    Kev: maybe I should give that an actual attempt, while in-between jobs

  57. Kev

    I'd like to request an extended LC for this - the LC has had no feedback and I could only find one comment from Lance going back a few months when Peter said he wanted to advance it saying "good" or thereabouts.

  58. MattJ

    Has anyone implemented it?

  59. Kev

    Lance said something like "It's solved several problems for us already".

  60. ralphm

    that's one implementation

  61. MattJ

    Ah, great

  62. ralphm

    don't we want two?

  63. Kev

    Want, yes. We don't require it until Final.

  64. ralphm

    ah, right

  65. Kev

    Thankfully, or there's no chance of me getting 289 to Draft :)

  66. MattJ

    It certainly seems like something that will solve problems - I'm actually not opposed to moving it on as-is

  67. ralphm

    MattJ: yeah

  68. Kev

    MattJ: So you think we shouldn't extend the LC until someone replies?

  69. MattJ

    Kev, well I'm not opposed to extending it, but I don't see that it's strictly necessary

  70. MattJ

    More feedback would always be nicer - do you think we'll get it?

  71. m&m

    I'm not opposed to extending either

  72. MattJ

    (excluding Lance)

  73. Kev

    Moving to Draft when absolutely no-one has spoken in the LC supporting the idea seems bad.

  74. ralphm

    Kev: good point

  75. MattJ

    Well extend it and poke Lance daily :)

  76. Kev

    All happy with that?

  77. MattJ nods

  78. m&m

    I'll ask stpeter if he's aware of other interest

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  80. Kev

    m&m: Ta.

  81. Kev

    4) http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/fis.html Accept as Experimental?

  82. Kanchil

    Kev: http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/fis.html: XEP-xxxx: File Information Sharing

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  84. Kev

    I don't mind publishing this, although I have absolutely no idea what http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0254.html has to do with it :)

  85. Kanchil

    Kev: http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0254.html: XEP-0254: PubSub Queueing

  86. MattJ

    Heh, I think that might be a typo

  87. Kev

    Oh. That hadn't occurred to me, really :p

  88. Kev

    Anyone want to comment in-meeting, or is everyone else going onlist?

  89. MattJ

    I'll vote on-list

  90. MattJ

    Haven't read this version

  91. ralphm

    Not opposed

  92. Kev


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  94. Kev

    "hrm" wasn't clear to me :)

  95. m&m

    I did not get a chance to read through it before … I'll say something on list

  96. Kev


  97. m&m

    just that this almost feels like yet-another-file-sharing attempt

  98. Kev

    5) http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/rayo.html Accept as Experimental?

  99. Kanchil

    Kev: http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/rayo.html: XEP-xxxx: Rayo

  100. Kev

    I've had no chance to read this, will post onlist.

  101. m&m


  102. MattJ

    Me also

  103. MattJ

    I read an earlier draft, and it seemed sane (once the requirements were understood)

  104. ralphm

    http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0251.html was the reference, probably, by the way

  105. Kanchil

    ralphm: http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0251.html: XEP-0251: Jingle Session Transfer

  106. Kev

    ralphm: Yes, probably :)

  107. Kev

    ralphm: You onlist for RAYO?

  108. ralphm

    Yeah, it is looong

  109. Kev

    6) http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/sensor-network-control.html Accept as Experimental?

  110. Kanchil

    Kev: http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/sensor-network-control.html: XEP-xxxx: Sensor Networks - Control

  111. Kev

    Onlist for me.

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  115. Kev

    Morning Peter.

  116. ralphm

    hey stpeter

  117. stpeter


  118. ralphm

    stpeter: what about making it a repeating event, pretty please?

  119. Kev

    m&m: You onlist for this one?

  120. m&m

    Kev: yes

  121. Kev

    7) http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/sensor-network-concentrators.html Accept as Experimental?

  122. Kanchil

    Kev: http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/sensor-network-concentrators.html: XEP-xxxx: Sensor Networks - Concentrators

  123. Kev

    Onlist for me again.

  124. m&m

    one list

  125. m&m

    on list even

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  128. Kev

    8) Next meeting.

  129. Kev

    I can't do usual time next week.

  130. ralphm


  131. MattJ

    I can :)

  132. Kev

    (Or most of next week, in fact).

  133. Kev

    You're welcome to meet without me, or postpone for a week.

  134. m&m

    I can, too (-:

  135. ralphm

    Let's just keep the slot

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  137. ralphm

    maybe there'll be nothing anyway

  138. Kev

    OK. Who wants to chair?

  139. m&m

    I can

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  144. MattJ

    That settles it :)

  145. Kev

    m&m: Consider apologies sent.

  146. m&m

    Kev: noted

  147. Kev

    9) Any other business?

  148. MattJ

    My quick comments on #2 as I was late...

  149. MattJ

    I'm +1, but think the security considerations need expanding

  150. ralphm

    If we can have the calendar event repeating or up-to-date?

  151. MattJ

    (the LC feedback was along those lines too)

  152. Kev

    ralphm: I don't know if it's possible to mark it repeating, but it seems sensible.

  153. Kev

    I think Tobias has been updating the calendar recently, so we can poke him.

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  157. Kev

    Jolly good.

  158. Kev

    Think we're done, then.

  159. Kev

    Thanks all.

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  161. MattJ

    Thanks Kev

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  164. ralphm

    Peter Waher: good timing!

  165. Peter Waher

    seems I missed everything

  166. jabberjocke

    anyone needs discussion on our xeps

  167. Kev

    Peter Waher: Or nothing. Most stuff will happen on list.

  168. jabberjocke

    while we are here both

  169. Peter Waher

    ok, sounds good :)

  170. Peter Waher

    I'm happy to respond to any questions, comments, suggestions, doubts anybody might have

  171. jabberjocke

    the wiki pages are evolving http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Tech_pages/IoT_systems

  172. Kanchil

    jabberjocke: http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Tech_pages/IoT_systems: Tech pages/IoT systems - XMPP Wiki

  173. Kev

    Thanks. I've not read the new ones yet.

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  175. Peter Waher

    anything, just mail me. I'll try to respond as quickly as possible

  176. Peter Waher

    or by IM, Skype, etc.

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  178. jabberjocke

    I apologize for my friend :)

  179. Peter Waher

    hehe, swearing in the church... :) Sorry.

  180. Peter Waher

    Skype would be better, if it used XMPP though. Let's convince them that's a good idea.

  181. ralphm

    Peter Waher: good luck with that

  182. Kev

    They nearly did.

  183. ralphm

    But if you manage that, more power to you!

  184. Kev

    They approached Justin (of Psi) to see about using Psi when they were starting out, but they wrote their own thing instead.

  185. Kev

    Oh, it's that time. Need to duck out.

  186. jabberjocke

    when will date for the next summit be decided?

  187. ralphm

    when the date for RealtimeConf is announced

  188. ralphm

    jabberjocke: so bug @yet for that :-D

  189. ralphm

    &yet even

  190. jabberjocke

    ok would like to plan a IoT track, presenting the xep's etc.

  191. jabberjocke

    will ask him

  192. ralphm


  193. stpeter

    jabberjocke: probably in October

  194. stpeter

    jabberjocke: I'll ping the &yet folks about that

  195. stpeter

    jabberjocke: we don't really have tracks (usually), but we do assign time to various topics

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  197. jabberjocke

    It's a large subject, A presentation can be a good start, think hands on is needed also but thats perhaps another forum.

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