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Tobias
anything important on the agenda for today?
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Kev
The two proposals from yesterday.
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Tobias
do we want to handle them this week or next? might be a bit close for today...
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Kev
Today seems fine, we have two weeks to deal with them after the meeting.
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m&m
mea culpa
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m&m
I will not be able to attend today
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m&m
even if I appear online!
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stpeter
howdy
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Tobias
hi
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brb
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Kev
m&m: Ta.
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Right, it is time.
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1) Roll call.
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I'm here.
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Tobias
soami
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MattJ
Me to
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o
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Kev
I poked Ralph, and m&m's not here.
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stpeter
"Harpier cries 'Tis time, 'tis time."
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Kev
2)http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/pubsub-subs.html
Accept?
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Kanchil
Kev: http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/pubsub-subs.html:
XEP-xxxx: Pubsub Subscription
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Kev
I didn't really get the whole 'id' thing in this.
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MattJ
I think it's so you don't end up with duplicates, for example
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Kev
And I'm not sure that the security considerations should have been copy/pasted from user tune :)
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MattJ
or can easily check for the presence of an item in the list
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MattJ
The hash isn't correct, I checked :)
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MattJ
It doesn't have a JID in it anyway
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Kev
But, can't you easily check for the presence of an item in the list anyway?
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MattJ
How?
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Zash
http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0060.html#entity-subscriptions ← What about that format that already exists?
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Kanchil
Zash: http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0060.html#entity-subscriptions:
XEP-0060: Publish-Subscribe
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stpeter
why not just use UUIDs?
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Kev
Zash: It's a reasonable question - although I think the one-sub per item they're going for might be sensible.
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MattJ
stpeter, well then you can let the server generate them for you... but that still lets you have duplicates of a subscription
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MattJ: ah, sure
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Kev
MattJ: But won't you only have duplicates of a subscription if you put them there?
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Kev
Or are you thinking of two clients with a race condition?
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MattJ
With the hash, if I want to see if someone is subscribed to a node, I can just do a simple iq get for that item id
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MattJ
Well two clients is a case it could easily happen
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stpeter
given that we deferred most of the other "User *" specs for lack of interest years ago, I wonder what the compelling use cases are here...
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Kev
stpeter: Presumably they have a use for it, and we don't judge community interest until going to Draft.
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Kev
So I'm not opposing it.
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MattJ
Me neither, it has some editorial work to be done, but I like it
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stpeter
Kev: agreed, I was just curious
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Tobias
i'm with MattJ here
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Kev
3) http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/http-over-xmpp.html
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Kanchil
Kev: http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/http-over-xmpp.html:
XEP-xxxx: HTTP over XMPP transport
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Kev
I need to read this.
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Kev
I'm assuming the ultimate aim is to do XMPP over BOSH over HTTP over XMPP over websockets?
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stpeter
heehee
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Tobias
yeah..who wouldn't want that...
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MattJ
Heh
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stpeter
probably it's to tunnel HTTP over XMPP-over-EXI
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stpeter
for some reason :-)
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MattJ
It reminded me of this part of an interview with jer: http://prosody.im/pastebin/95529bb1-b125-46ff-ab0e-526f78b4f176
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Tobias
wouldn't shoving it through IBB be way easier?
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Kev
To be entirely fair, I /can/ see situations in which HTTP over XMPP might be a sensible thing to do.
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MattJ
...in 2001
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stpeter
now, I admit it would have been helpful for our friends in Cuba a few years ago
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Kev
So I need to vote onlist for this.
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Kev
Matt /Tobias?
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MattJ
I'm +1, but as ever it needs some work :)
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Tobias
i'll vote on list too, after i've read it
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Kev
OK.
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MattJ
My thought on it is that people are going to do it anyway, and it's best to spec it
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Kev
4) Date of next. I can't do next week. Week after?
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MattJ
and this doesn't seem like a terrible solution
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MattJ
Week after is fine
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Kev
MattJ: I'm not opposed to the principle, but I've not read the spec at all, and I want to before voting.
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MattJ
Yep, I understand :)
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Kev
I'll take that as an OK from Tobias.
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5) Any other business?
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Tobias
yeah..fine with me as long as it ends up in the calendar
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stpeter
as to AOB, the http-over-xmpp proposal raised the issue of whether we can re-use SHIM headers
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Kev
I also haven't read that thread.
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stpeter
heh ok
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MattJ
I've read the thread, but not the SHIM spec
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stpeter
our resident literalist took issue with my suggestion
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MattJ
:)
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stpeter
Kev: no worries, we can discuss on the list
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stpeter
maybe XEP-0131 was worded too narrowly
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Kev
I don't have anything intelligent to say here, at least.
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stpeter
shrugs
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stpeter
yep, understood :-)
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MattJ
stpeter, you speak in the past tense, but it's still Draft :)
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Kev
Although, at a very high level, I'm not sure re-use of 131 buys very much if people don't implement 131 much :)
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Kev
But anyway, I'll try to catch up and comment on list.
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stpeter
was, is, has been, will be...
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stpeter
yep
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MattJ
What will be will be
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Kev
OK, we're done then?
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Tobias
i think so
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nods
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Kev
Right, thanks all.
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Kev
bangs the gavel.
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Tobias
thanks you
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MattJ
Thanks
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stpeter
Tobias: shall I update the calendar to remove next week's meeting?
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Tobias
will it annoy people too much when it's wrong? :)
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stpeter
maybe I'll add some June meetings while I'm at it
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Tobias
i don't care personally
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stpeter
fixing it now
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stpeter
hmm, lots of php5-cgi processes using memory on athena, will have to check into that
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stpeter
er, lots of CPU
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Tobias
wordpress :)
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stpeter
it's evil
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Zash
moar caching!
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Tobias
less dynamic pages
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calendar updated
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Kev
Ta.
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