XMPP Council - 2013-05-22

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14:50:07 ralphm waves
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15:01:49 stpeter la la la
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15:03:39 Kev One more minute.
15:04:04 Kev I'm going to quickly wash my hands, and then will be here!
15:04:40 Kev Right. I'm here.
15:04:47 Kev 1) Roll call.
15:05:04 m&m presente
15:05:31 Tobias here
15:05:39 ralphm ping
15:05:54 Kev I've poked MattJ.
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15:06:28 Kev And he's on his way, excellent.
15:06:41 MattJ and he's here
15:06:45 Kev Magic.
15:06:53 Kev So I think our only item for today is the one from list.
15:07:10 Tobias yay
15:07:12 Kev 2) Last call for Real Time Text?
15:07:29 Kev The amount of AOLing on the list was a little distracting.
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15:07:39 Tobias AOLing?
15:07:49 Kev "Me too"
15:07:53 m&m yeah
15:07:54 Tobias ahh
15:08:00 Kev Posts just agreeing with the person above, without adding anything to the discussion.
15:08:00 stpeter m2
15:08:23 MattJ Heh
15:08:29 Peter Waher Hello. Present if anybody has questions
15:08:29 Kev Anyway.
15:08:30 m&m +1 to last call … and not simply to make the m2's stop!
15:08:33 MattJ I'm +1 to LC
15:08:33 Kev I'm not opposed to LCing it.
15:08:37 Tobias is that somehow related to AOL corp?
15:08:46 Kev Tobias: Users in the early days of AOL.
15:08:47 MattJ Tobias, yes
15:08:49 Tobias i'm +1 on the LC
15:08:55 Tobias ahh
15:09:13 ralphm +1
15:09:18 Kev I think that's everyone.
15:09:37 Kev I think I still owe some votes from last meeting, but are there any other voting items for this week that I've missed?
15:10:04 ralphm Not opposed to the previous items.
15:10:10 Kev I didn't notice any other mails fly by (although having had a week off in which I genuinely didn't open my XMPP or mail client all holiday, I might be missing one).
15:10:28 stpeter Kev: good for you!
15:10:31 Tobias i've just send my remaining vote to the list
15:10:34 Kev It was quite remarkable :)
15:10:37 stpeter heh
15:10:44 Kev First time in 9 years that I've done it.
15:10:49 Kev Personal and work email ignored!
15:10:51 Kev Anyway.
15:10:58 Kev If there's nothing else new, I think we're on to 3) Date of next.
15:11:04 Lance Kev: There was http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/jidprep.html that I submitted a while ago that needs to go on the docket
15:11:05 Kanchil Lance: http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/jidprep.html: XEP-xxxx: JID Prep
15:11:34 m&m re: Date of next meeting — next week works for me
15:11:36 Kev Ah, thanks.
15:11:40 Kev 3) JIDPrep.
15:11:41 ralphm I want to, again, express my regret towards the removal of federation in Google Hangouts.
15:11:41 Kev Accept?
15:11:51 Kev I've, obviously, not read this as I missed the thread.
15:11:56 ralphm Not objecting to JIDPrep
15:11:58 MattJ Accept.
15:12:00 m&m absolutely no objections from me
15:12:21 Tobias +1
15:12:39 Kev OK. I'll read it and not object on list.
15:12:44 Kev 4) Date of next.
15:12:56 Peter Waher question?
15:13:03 ralphm Sure!
15:13:10 Kev Peter Waher: Why is orange jam called marmalade. Also - is it AOB?
15:13:21 Peter Waher :)
15:13:28 Peter Waher Have you been able to discuss the HTTP over XMPP proposal?
15:13:38 Kev Oh, have I missed another ProtoXEP?
15:13:52 m&m it was last meeting … some votes pending
15:14:01 Kev No, we did this last time.
15:14:08 Kev Right, I think my vote is outstanding for that.
15:14:11 Tobias yup
15:14:31 Kev Taking most of the intervening time off hasn't been ideal for getting stuff done.
15:14:45 Kev I'll try and send votes tonight, else tomorrow morning for last week's.
15:14:53 Kev Assuming no-one's going to shoot me for doing it on the 15th day.
15:15:04 Peter Waher thanks :)
15:15:22 m&m so, I would really like to see it moved to <iq type='set'/> before publishing
15:15:36 Kev So, next meeting - I /think/ I can do Wednesday, but I send tentative apologies just in case what I'm doing overruns.
15:15:47 m&m otherwise, I sent comments to standards@ this morning (MDT)
15:16:00 m&m Kev: noted (-:
15:16:01 ralphm m&m: agreed, for methods other than GET/HEAD
15:16:10 stpeter Kev: shall we keep the meeting as scheduled and move if necessary?
15:16:21 m&m I can see a strong case being made to just use 'set' for all HTTP methods
15:16:36 Kev I'm intending to be there, may as well leave it SBTSBC. I'll try to wrap up beforehande.
15:16:42 ralphm m&m: I can't see it, yet.
15:16:48 m&m simplicity, it is technically providing information for processing, etc etc
15:16:48 Kev 5) AOB?
15:16:55 Lance Kev yes AOB
15:17:03 m&m webifying XEP-0156
15:17:04 Lance What is the status for http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0297.html?
15:17:08 Kanchil Lance: http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0297.html?: XEP-0297: Stanza Forwarding
15:17:09 m&m oh, that
15:17:23 Kev I'm giving a talk on the XSF and the XEP process next Wed at the London realtime thing, if anyone has suggestions (I've obviously not started it yet :))
15:17:33 Lance seems to have fallen through the cracks to get out of last call
15:17:39 m&m yikes
15:17:47 Kev Oh. I thought we'd voted that to Draft.
15:18:05 m&m me to
15:18:06 m&m too
15:18:18 Kev But it seems we voted it to LC 28th Nov, and then didn't touch it again.
15:18:35 m&m ouch
15:18:41 Kev With no feedback on the list.
15:18:54 stpeter hrmph
15:18:57 Kev Oh.
15:19:01 Kev No, there were two LCs by the look of it
15:19:15 Lance adds task to write feedback emails
15:19:17 ralphm in any case, this doesn't show in the tally
15:19:23 ralphm http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/xsf/xmpp-council/twelfth-council/
15:19:24 Kanchil ralphm: http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/xsf/xmpp-council/twelfth-council/: Twelfth Council – The XMPP Standards Foundation
15:19:39 Kev So there was feeback to the first LC, but not the second.
15:19:50 m&m adds .todo to respond to LC
15:19:56 Kev Ta.
15:19:58 MattJ Good idea :)
15:20:09 Kev I'll put it on the agenda next week.
15:20:15 ralphm that must be the longest running LC we've had
15:20:19 Tobias heh
15:20:25 Kev AOAOB?
15:20:30 MattJ I'd respond, but though I'm an author I'm not sure I've implemented it anywhere...
15:20:36 Kev MattJ: MAM?
15:20:41 Lance Kev: Updating XEP-0156 for use from browsers
15:20:44 MattJ I haven't implemented MAM, Zash did
15:20:47 Kev Ah.
15:20:49 Peter Waher Kev: Had a small presentation about XSF for IEEE, small presentation: http://www.slideshare.net/peterwaher/xsf
15:20:51 Kanchil Peter Waher: http://www.slideshare.net/peterwaher/xsf: XSF - XMPP Standards Foundation
15:20:59 Kev Peter Waher: Ta.
15:21:11 Kev Lance: What's the Councilish action on that?
15:21:19 m&m well, is it worth doing in the XSF?
15:21:23 ralphm Kev: what's the audience for the realtime meetup?
15:21:36 Kev ralphm: No idea :D
15:22:00 Lance m&m has the details. mainly is it an action for the XSF to register new Web Link entries, or is that left to the IETF Working Group
15:22:02 ralphm Kev: at least put some note on XSF promoting federation in there
15:22:23 Kev ralphm: Oh, fun thought. Ta.
15:22:30 m&m stpeter: what's required for "Expert Review" at the IETF?
15:22:40 stpeter m&m: it depends on the registry
15:22:44 m&m really ought to learn this stuff himself
15:22:56 m&m in our specific case, the .well-known registry, and possibly the link relations registry
15:23:00 stpeter ah
15:23:10 ralphm m&m: I'm sure someone wants to make you a chair of some WG, for experience.
15:23:21 stpeter for well-known, see http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5785
15:23:22 Kanchil stpeter: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5785: RFC 5785 - Defining Well-Known Uniform Resource Identifiers (URIs)
15:23:22 m&m heh
15:23:33 stpeter for link relations, see http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5988
15:23:34 Kanchil stpeter: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5988: RFC 5988 - Web Linking
15:23:49 stpeter we happen to know the experts ;-)
15:23:58 stpeter http://www.iana.org/assignments/well-known-uris/well-known-uris.xml and http://www.iana.org/assignments/link-relations/link-relations.xml
15:24:42 m&m right … and a quick glance at RFC5785 seems to require an RFC
15:24:56 Kev So, someone needs to write an RFC, and therefore it's not Councilish? :)
15:24:58 m&m and the same for link relations
15:25:01 m&m I think that settles it
15:25:12 m&m Kev: it would appear to be the case
15:25:51 Kev Excellent AOAOAOAOAOAOAOAOB?
15:25:55 ralphm It is councillish because we give general guidance towards proper venues for standardisation.
15:25:57 stpeter :)
15:25:59 ralphm :-D
15:26:01 Tobias Kev, none from me
15:26:11 m&m no more from me, I don't think (-:
15:26:15 Kev Excellent.
15:26:15 MattJ Let's see if we can come up with OB and overrun 30 minutes to see what happens to Kev
15:26:28 m&m haha
15:26:31 Kev Given what I've got going on this evening, I'll unilaterally end the meeting :p
15:26:33 ralphm Is RealtimeConf planned yet?
15:26:45 stpeter m&m: "Specification Required" != "RFC Required"
15:26:53 Kev So, I think we're done!
15:26:56 Kev Thanks all.
15:26:58 ralphm Kev: what!
15:27:04 MattJ Thanks
15:27:07 ralphm I am asking a question here
15:27:19 Kev ralphm: Realtime conf discussions aren't councilish, so the discussion can happen afterwards :)
15:27:25 stpeter I second the call to end the official part of the meeting
15:27:36 ralphm tsk
15:27:41 jabberjocke I would like to have IoT session on the realtime conf
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15:27:47 Kev Excellent. Thanks all.
15:27:49 Kev bangs the gavel.
15:27:54 m&m haha
15:28:03 jabberjocke a question
15:28:12 stpeter jabberjocke: sure!
15:28:20 jabberjocke have you looked at the http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Tech_pages/IoT_systems
15:28:20 ralphm Awesome. I just got an e-mail titled "Concealed Business Proposition"
15:28:22 Kanchil jabberjocke: http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Tech_pages/IoT_systems: Tech pages/IoT systems - XMPP Wiki
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15:29:06 stpeter jabberjocke: the Realtime Conference is http://www.realtimeconf.com/ -- we will probably hold an XMPP Summit around that time
15:29:24 stpeter jabberjocke: I haven't looked at those pages yet
15:29:41 jabberjocke that would be good to be able to discuss our IoT things
15:29:53 jabberjocke there is now SleekXMPP implementations done
15:30:03 jabberjocke and clayster is also implementing
15:30:22 jabberjocke I'm in San Francisco contacting stanford berkley etc
15:30:36 jabberjocke to get more feedback
15:30:38 ralphm now he tells me
15:30:44 ralphm I just got back from SF
15:30:58 jabberjocke :(
15:31:03 stpeter ralphm: I hope your trip went well!
15:31:15 jabberjocke sorry to miss you
15:31:25 ralphm stpeter: very well indeed
15:31:58 jabberjocke I sent out on the lists, had a meeting yesterday at a grappa bar very nice :)
15:32:07 stpeter Lance: I suggest we update XEP-0156 to include the .well-known stuff -- or do you think that a separate spec is needed? I'd kind of like to define all the alternative discovery mechanisms in one place
15:32:10 stpeter ralphm: excellent!
15:32:59 Lance stpeter: +1 on keeping it all in one document, as long as it doesn't get too big
15:33:10 stpeter Lance: I don't think it will
15:33:30 Lance ok, then I'll add upating 156 to my list
15:33:31 m&m stpeter: I doubt it
15:33:49 m&m er… s/stepeter://
15:33:57 m&m I doubt it'll get too big
15:34:43 m&m just need some examples
15:34:50 jabberjocke when will a summit be decided?
15:35:14 m&m and the definitions for new host-meta link relations
15:37:48 stpeter jabberjocke: probably when the Realtime Conf is decided -- but we know the people who run that ;-)
15:37:51 stpeter bbiaf
15:38:59 jabberjocke keep me posted would like to open up a IoT track
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