XMPP Council - 2013-06-12

  1. Kev

    I thought I'd written myself a note of things for the agenda today, but I can't find it. Hrmm.

  2. stpeter


  3. stpeter wanders off for tea, brb

  4. ralphm waves

  5. Kev


  6. m&m


  7. Kev

    Tobias send apologies last week, as I recall. Matt's just sent them on list.

  8. Kev

    1) Roll Call.

  9. ralphm


  10. m&m


  11. Kev

    By my reckoning there's nothing to discuss this week.

  12. Kev

    Anyone have fun ways I'm wrong?

  13. m&m

    I can't think of anything

  14. stpeter


  15. Kev

    In that case.

  16. Kev

    2) Date of next meeting.

  17. Kev

    I can't do next week, but y'all can sure have a meeting without me if you like.

  18. ralphm

    I suggest just keeping on meeting every week

  19. m&m

    ralphm: works for me

  20. Kev

    m&m: Do you want to volunteer for your normal backup Kev routine?:)

  21. ralphm


  22. m&m

    sure (-:

  23. Kev


  24. m&m

    it's less work than a IETF WG (-:

  25. ralphm

    no kidding

  26. Kev

    I tend to be lax about sending out minutes for meetings that don't have anything discussed in them. Does anyonecare about that?

  27. stpeter

    ralphm: weekly is good, I think

  28. ralphm

    Kev: nah

  29. Kev

    OK, thanks.

  30. Kev

    I suppose I should, really, to record attendance.

  31. m&m

    I also think just keeping it regularly scheduled is best

  32. ralphm

    ah right

  33. ralphm

    that reminds me

  34. Kev

    I only just thought about this.

  35. Kev

    3) AOB

  36. ralphm

    there is a year missing in the vote tallies

  37. m&m


  38. stpeter

    ralphm: really?!?

  39. m&m

    oh, AOB

  40. m&m

    note there is now a reservation at the IETF 87 venue for us

  41. ralphm


  42. stpeter


  43. stpeter

    I'll check into it

  44. ralphm

    no hurry

  45. Kev

    m&m: What does that mean, for us mere non-IETF mortals?

  46. stpeter

    the data is in the database

  47. ralphm

    Kev: that you don't have to sit out on the street to meet up

  48. stpeter

    Kev: it means that m&m is having fun with the JSON WG :-)

  49. m&m


  50. Kev


  51. m&m

    it means we likely have a spot for an XMPP Hackfest

  52. m&m

    in Berlin

  53. ralphm

    I am a bit sad, but I won't make it there. It is in the middle of my planned holiday.

  54. stpeter


  55. stpeter

    sorry to hear it

  56. m&m


  57. stpeter

    but I'm thinking we'll do London next March, too

  58. ralphm

    To prevent that happening in the future, I've put the next three instances in my calendar

  59. ralphm


  60. stpeter

    March 2014 - 89th IETF March 2-7, 2014 Host: TBD Location: London, England

  61. ralphm

    and Canada in November, I believe

  62. stpeter


  63. Kev

    Now, London is somewhat more interesting for me.

  64. ralphm

    Kev: really? Berlin is nice. Not far, too.

  65. stpeter

    and don't forget IETF 91 in Hawaii :-)

  66. m&m


  67. ralphm

    that'll be a busy one, I'd guess

  68. Kev

    ralphm: I don't travel well, but I'm in London a reasonable amount when I go to the office.

  69. ralphm

    Kev: I think you can still do Berlin by train :-D

  70. Kev

    Anyway, was there any Council action in amongst this anywhere? :)

  71. ralphm

    oh, we weren't done yet?

  72. stpeter

    given all the IETF meetings I've been to at Minneapolis in November and March, I think a trip to Hawaii is justified

  73. stpeter

    Kev: no :-)

  74. Kev


  75. Kev

    Thanks all!

  76. Kev bangs the gavel

  77. ralphm

    stpeter: haha

  78. m&m


  79. ralphm


  80. ralphm

    Also, yay for RealtimeConf

  81. m&m


  82. ralphm

    Looking forward to that

  83. stpeter

    http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/xsf/xmpp-council/seventh-council/ fixed

  84. stpeter

    I had only ever saved it as a draft

  85. stpeter

    and never published it

  86. stpeter

    well, "I" or someone else like Will (whoever worked on copying over those pages)

  87. ralphm


  88. Kev

    Grrrr. It annoys me the way that recruiters using LinkedIn send whatever the LI equivalent of friends requests are, with no way for you to reply unless you accept them.

  89. Kev

    I do not know these people, they are not part of my professional network!

  90. m&m


  91. ralphm

    why reply anyway

  92. ralphm

    I have better things to worry about

  93. Kev

    ralphm: Well, it'd be nice to at least say "I'm happy where I am, but if you're prepared to offer me all the gold I can eat I'd consider it".

  94. Kev

    And my general sense of niceness makes it uncomfortable not answering them.

  95. ralphm

    Kev: yeah, I'm sure they'd use LinkedIn to reach out to you for that

  96. ralphm

    in general, I consider them on equal footing with telemarketeers

  97. Kev

    Heh. I don't, largely because I've opted out of receiving telemarketing, and my LI profile says I'm up for job offers.

  98. ralphm

    well, there you go

  99. Kev

    It's not receiving the pokes that bothers me, just that they way they do it isn't helpful.

  100. m&m


  101. m&m

    messages are one thing

  102. ralphm


  103. m&m

    "friend" requests are quite another

  104. Kev

    Anyway. Not the biggest irritation in life, just that I had another one just then and I got frustrated.

  105. m&m

    I think I have about a dozen I've been ignoring

  106. ralphm

    m&m: yeah

  107. Kev

    I'm only on about half that, now I feel unpopular :(

  108. m&m

    well, if you traveled more … (-:

  109. ralphm

    Similarly, I often get people adding me because they know of me

  110. m&m


  111. ralphm

    but who I probably never communicated with

  112. Kev

    The most recent one seems quite relevant, relatively. C++, local area. Much better than the normal, which is "Could I interest you in a move to (Insert City Here)".

  113. m&m

    although not often for me … now *I* feel unpopular

  114. Kev

    Ralph is the social center of the world.

  115. Kev


  116. m&m

    well, he is a lot of fun to drink beer with

  117. ralphm

    m&m: that's the key

  118. ralphm


  119. ralphm

    now I am sad, because I won't be doing that in Berlin

  120. stpeter

    you guys are still yammering on here?

  121. m&m


  122. stpeter


  123. Kev

    It's more fun than doing real work.

  124. stpeter reviews the votes on Chat Markers

  125. ralphm

    I thought Yammer removed XMPP support

  126. ralphm

    Kev: by the way, cool this: https://twitter.com/definitivekev/statuses/344807063836319744

  127. ralphm

    Kev: were both endpoints using that code, or did you have a native client, too?

  128. Kev

    ralphm: Both clients were viewing the same web client, communicating with isode.com over BOSH.

  129. ralphm


  130. Kev

    ralphm: And the web client was Fippo's MUC example from his repo.

  131. ralphm


  132. Kev

    I don't think it's quite production ready (the MUC example), but it's very cool, and it's great that they open sourced this.

  133. Zash

    I've tried it with two peers

  134. Kev

    I really really want to put VVOIP into Swift now. I just need that TARDIS.

  135. ralphm


  136. Kev

    Can I submit an errata for the errata? It says "not mistakenly", when it should read "mistakenly not" :D

  137. ralphm

    Kev: hehe, I thought the same thing