XMPP Council - 2013-09-04

what's the agenda for todays meeting?

I haven't seen any new items. Unless I missed some.

I haven't got as far as last week's minutes yet. Nor the week before's.

ok

I need a holiday.

RECOMMENDED is qual to SHOULD, right?

Yes.

Right. That's minutes done, at least.

I'm heading out, I should be back before the meeting, but if I'm not then I might be late. If I'm not late and don't make it at all then consider this a provisional apology :)

Righty.

How are people's reviews of 301 coming along? :)

not /-:

You should. It's a blast.

Kev, about 70% through

Lovely :)

(I'm back by the way)

I want to implement 301

In the server?

Verse

The PDF version is 43 pages!!!

Remember that I've reviewed this many many times by now.

You're getting off lightly :p

MattJ, last 3rd is just usecase/examples :)

howdy

yes, Kev provided lots of reviews on 301!

Harpier cries "'tis time, 'tis time"

1) Roll call.

I'm here

presente

here

I have poked Ralph.

Here

I don't think we have any voting items this meeting.

stpeter: Were you able to persuade anyone that they should comment on reachability?

Kev: ah, that fell through the cracks

will do now

Ta muchly.

Did I miss any voting items?

I have votes ready for several of the draft things, which I'll send to list.

not that I can think of

I think not

fippo and I did update XEP-0220

I'm hoping other people will complete their 301 reviews and save me doing a full review again :)

On which topic, I'm starting to just give in just to get it over with.

I'll revew 301 again, too -- I've reviewed it only twice, not umpteen times like Kev ;-)

Hopefully someone else has more energy and can see if it's ready and avoid me having to send my jaded views.

yes, fresh eyes will be helpful

One of their responses that I didn't think the normatives were right was to change a SHOULD to a RECOMMENDED.

heh

yeah

....

And I don't really think SHOULD NOT is strong enough for not spamming someone when they've not confirmed support yet.

at least a couple of us will review

really! (-:

I know they're keen to be allowed to just send RTT all the time to everyone because it's important to them, but I'm somewhat concerned that the reaction if that starts happening much is just to configure servers to block the payloads.

um, yeah

+1

it's happened before

m&m, with what?

there were some private servers I'm aware of that preventing disco to user accounts

Anyway, I'm rambling.

(before caps)

ah..ok

and IBB has been prevented on some networks occasionally

Next week is bad for me, but y'all can meet without me if you like.

works for me

+1

+1

I'd be very grateful if someone else would like to volunteer to write up minutes for this. I'm running at ~= mental capacity at the moment.

sure, why not

(-

Thanks.

Any other business?

Is everyone intending re-running next year, or anyone having a rest (which sounds quite appealing right now)?

is the Jingle team going to come up with any recommendations? I suppose I'll poke that list...

Kev, I'm running, and I'm going to encourage a number of others too as well

I don't know. We explicitly moved that away from being a Council responsibility because we didn't have time, I think :)

Kev: :-)

Kev, i'll probably too

haven't decided

I'm always in favor of new faces / nicks

/nod

I'm undecided, partly because I think new blood is healthy, and partly because having applications while I'm exhausted isn't encouraging :)

as far as current actions … I'm not sure I'd be able to get through the entire list of votes before the fortnight is up

Kev: I think you deserve a rest

OK, AOB: Extending voting period on votes to draft for an extra week.

+1

:)

+1

it's going to take a week just for −301 (-:

Two days, usually, for me.

MattJ / Tobias: ?

sure

That's a majority, good enough.

that moves the vote deadline to 2013-09-18

m&m: That enough for you?

+1

I think so, yes

Marv.

OK, AOAOB?

for the XMPP-WG

note that draft-moffitt-xmpp-websocket is to be an official WG item

Good to see websockets moving :)

so, get those comments in!

yes, I need to provide more comments on that one

m&m: I'd like to review and comment on this, but I don't think anyone should expect me to realisticallyget to it.

completely understand

as long as some of us here get through it

Ta.

OK, I think that's us done?

yes

stpeter: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-mmusic-rfc2326bis-35: draft-ietf-mmusic-rfc2326bis-35 - Real Time Streaming Protocol 2.0 (RTSP)

Oops

ouch

I might need to retire from the AppsDir at the IETF

stpeter: That was foolish.

Commiserations.

stpeter: isn't mmusic RAI?

oh and BTW the PRECIS specs are in Working Group Last Call

Another 'should review but can't find time'.

yep

OK, I think we're really done now :)

indeed

Thanks all.

thanks

Thanks

gracias