XMPP Council - 2013-09-04


  1. Tobias

    what's the agenda for todays meeting?

  2. Kev

    I haven't seen any new items. Unless I missed some.

  3. Kev

    I haven't got as far as last week's minutes yet. Nor the week before's.

  4. Tobias

    ok

  5. Kev

    I need a holiday.

  6. Tobias

    RECOMMENDED is qual to SHOULD, right?

  7. Kev

    Yes.

  8. Kev

    Right. That's minutes done, at least.

  9. MattJ

    I'm heading out, I should be back before the meeting, but if I'm not then I might be late. If I'm not late and don't make it at all then consider this a provisional apology :)

  10. Kev

    Righty.

  11. Kev

    How are people's reviews of 301 coming along? :)

  12. m&m

    not /-:

  13. Kev

    You should. It's a blast.

  14. Tobias

    Kev, about 70% through

  15. Kev

    Lovely :)

  16. MattJ

    (I'm back by the way)

  17. MattJ

    I want to implement 301

  18. Kev

    In the server?

  19. MattJ

    Verse

  20. MattJ

    The PDF version is 43 pages!!!

  21. Kev

    Remember that I've reviewed this many many times by now.

  22. Kev

    You're getting off lightly :p

  23. Tobias

    MattJ, last 3rd is just usecase/examples :)

  24. stpeter

    howdy

  25. stpeter

    yes, Kev provided lots of reviews on 301!

  26. Kev

    Harpier cries "'tis time, 'tis time"

  27. Kev

    1) Roll call.

  28. Kev

    I'm here

  29. m&m

    presente

  30. Tobias

    here

  31. Kev

    I have poked Ralph.

  32. MattJ

    Here

  33. Kev

    I don't think we have any voting items this meeting.

  34. Kev

    stpeter: Were you able to persuade anyone that they should comment on reachability?

  35. stpeter

    Kev: ah, that fell through the cracks

  36. stpeter

    will do now

  37. Kev

    Ta muchly.

  38. Kev

    Did I miss any voting items?

  39. Kev

    I have votes ready for several of the draft things, which I'll send to list.

  40. m&m

    not that I can think of

  41. stpeter

    I think not

  42. stpeter

    fippo and I did update XEP-0220

  43. Kev

    I'm hoping other people will complete their 301 reviews and save me doing a full review again :)

  44. Kev

    On which topic, I'm starting to just give in just to get it over with.

  45. stpeter

    I'll revew 301 again, too -- I've reviewed it only twice, not umpteen times like Kev ;-)

  46. Kev

    Hopefully someone else has more energy and can see if it's ready and avoid me having to send my jaded views.

  47. stpeter

    yes, fresh eyes will be helpful

  48. Kev

    One of their responses that I didn't think the normatives were right was to change a SHOULD to a RECOMMENDED.

  49. stpeter

    heh

  50. stpeter

    yeah

  51. m&m

    ....

  52. Kev

    And I don't really think SHOULD NOT is strong enough for not spamming someone when they've not confirmed support yet.

  53. m&m

    at least a couple of us will review

  54. m&m

    really! (-:

  55. Kev

    I know they're keen to be allowed to just send RTT all the time to everyone because it's important to them, but I'm somewhat concerned that the reaction if that starts happening much is just to configure servers to block the payloads.

  56. stpeter

    um, yeah

  57. MattJ

    +1

  58. m&m

    it's happened before

  59. Tobias

    m&m, with what?

  60. m&m

    there were some private servers I'm aware of that preventing disco to user accounts

  61. Kev

    Anyway, I'm rambling.

  62. m&m

    (before caps)

  63. Tobias

    ah..ok

  64. m&m

    and IBB has been prevented on some networks occasionally

  65. Kev

    Next week is bad for me, but y'all can meet without me if you like.

  66. m&m

    works for me

  67. MattJ

    +1

  68. Tobias

    +1

  69. Kev

    I'd be very grateful if someone else would like to volunteer to write up minutes for this. I'm running at ~= mental capacity at the moment.

  70. m&m

    sure, why not

  71. m&m

    (-

  72. Kev

    Thanks.

  73. Kev

    Any other business?

  74. Kev

    Is everyone intending re-running next year, or anyone having a rest (which sounds quite appealing right now)?

  75. stpeter

    is the Jingle team going to come up with any recommendations? I suppose I'll poke that list...

  76. MattJ

    Kev, I'm running, and I'm going to encourage a number of others too as well

  77. Kev

    I don't know. We explicitly moved that away from being a Council responsibility because we didn't have time, I think :)

  78. stpeter

    Kev: :-)

  79. Tobias

    Kev, i'll probably too

  80. m&m

    haven't decided

  81. stpeter

    I'm always in favor of new faces / nicks

  82. m&m

    /nod

  83. Kev

    I'm undecided, partly because I think new blood is healthy, and partly because having applications while I'm exhausted isn't encouraging :)

  84. m&m

    as far as current actions … I'm not sure I'd be able to get through the entire list of votes before the fortnight is up

  85. stpeter

    Kev: I think you deserve a rest

  86. Kev

    OK, AOB: Extending voting period on votes to draft for an extra week.

  87. Kev

    +1

  88. stpeter

    :)

  89. m&m

    +1

  90. m&m

    it's going to take a week just for −301 (-:

  91. Kev

    Two days, usually, for me.

  92. Kev

    MattJ / Tobias: ?

  93. Tobias

    sure

  94. Kev

    That's a majority, good enough.

  95. m&m

    that moves the vote deadline to 2013-09-18

  96. Kev

    m&m: That enough for you?

  97. MattJ

    +1

  98. m&m adds a plethora of TODOs

  99. m&m

    I think so, yes

  100. Kev

    Marv.

  101. Kev

    OK, AOAOB?

  102. m&m

    for the XMPP-WG

  103. m&m

    note that draft-moffitt-xmpp-websocket is to be an official WG item

  104. MattJ

    Good to see websockets moving :)

  105. m&m

    so, get those comments in!

  106. stpeter

    yes, I need to provide more comments on that one

  107. Kev

    m&m: I'd like to review and comment on this, but I don't think anyone should expect me to realisticallyget to it.

  108. m&m

    completely understand

  109. m&m

    as long as some of us here get through it

  110. Kev

    Ta.

  111. Kev

    OK, I think that's us done?

  112. m&m

    yes

  113. stpeter stupidly committed to reviewing http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-mmusic-rfc2326bis-35 -- all 320 pages (!)

  114. Kanchil

    stpeter: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-mmusic-rfc2326bis-35: draft-ietf-mmusic-rfc2326bis-35 - Real Time Streaming Protocol 2.0 (RTSP)

  115. MattJ

    Oops

  116. m&m

    ouch

  117. stpeter

    I might need to retire from the AppsDir at the IETF

  118. Kev

    stpeter: That was foolish.

  119. Kev

    Commiserations.

  120. m&m

    stpeter: isn't mmusic RAI?

  121. stpeter

    oh and BTW the PRECIS specs are in Working Group Last Call

  122. Kev

    Another 'should review but can't find time'.

  123. stpeter

    yep

  124. Kev

    OK, I think we're really done now :)

  125. stpeter

    indeed

  126. stpeter packs up to drive to the office

  127. Kev

    Thanks all.

  128. Kev bangs the gavel.

  129. Tobias

    thanks

  130. MattJ

    Thanks

  131. m&m

    gracias