XMPP Council - 2013-10-02

  1. stpeter wanders off briefly to find a better place to sit, bbiaf

  2. stpeter

    ah nice, I found a room called "Solace" :-)

  3. ralphm


  4. m&m

    T - 5 minutes

  5. Kev

    And ding.

  6. Kev

    1) Roll call.

  7. Kev

    I'm here!

  8. Tobias too

  9. m&m


  10. Tobias

    invited mattj

  11. Kev

    Tobias: By just dragging him to the window? :)

  12. ralphm


  13. Tobias

    Kev, how else would one do it? :)

  14. Kev


  15. Kev

    But in his absence...

  16. Kev

    2) XEP-0301. Move to Draft?

  17. Kev

    I think everyone's comments have now been addressed and this needs a revote.

  18. Kev

    And I need to give it a re-read first.

  19. stpeter

    it's the re-XEP -- review, revise, repost, reread

  20. m&m

    I did re-read, and I'm +1

  21. Kev


  22. Tobias

    i'm +1 too, my issue got addressed

  23. m&m

    I'm not going to nit any further; I'll send the list to the XEP editor

  24. m&m

    things like using typographer's quotes

  25. Kev

    m&m: Requiring them to change the English grammar for American was just harsh :p

  26. m&m

    super ultra mega minor

  27. m&m

    ASCII should have been good enough for everyone! (-:

  28. stpeter

    yeah I can clean up some of the minor issues

  29. Kev

    ralphm: ?

  30. ralphm

    Yeah, it looks good to me. +1

  31. Kev


  32. Kev

    I think that was our only voting item.

  33. Kev

    3) Date of next.

  34. m&m


  35. Kev


  36. stpeter updates http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/xsf/xmpp-council/twelfth-council/ in real time

  37. Kanchil

    stpeter: http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/xsf/xmpp-council/twelfth-council/: Twelfth Council – The XMPP Standards Foundation

  38. Kev

    4) AOB.

  39. Tobias


  40. stpeter


  41. Kev

    I have an outstanding +1 from 297, which I'll leave here.

  42. m&m

    the Council and Board nominees are still light

  43. stpeter

    Kev: you are +1 on 297?

  44. Kev

    stpeter: Yes.

  45. stpeter

    Tobias: did you vote on 220?

  46. Tobias

    i'll add mine till the end of the week

  47. Tobias

    stpeter, didn't i reply on list?

  48. stpeter

    Tobias: maybe I missed it

  49. Kev

    Matt and Tobias both said they were intending standing for Council and haven't yet.

  50. Kev

    I don't recall, but I think Ralph said the same?

  51. ralphm


  52. m&m

    Lance still hasn't completed the form (-:

  53. m&m notes to pester him again

  54. Tobias

    stpeter, you even replied to the mail :)

  55. stpeter

    Tobias: ouch

  56. Tobias

    but you probably replied to a lot mails that day

  57. Tobias


  58. stpeter

    ah, i see, yes

  59. stpeter

    n/m then

  60. Kev

    m&m: Were you suggesting there's something Council needs to do about the lists standing?

  61. m&m

    just make sure you fill out your nomination if you're running again

  62. m&m

    proxy voting starts in less than a fortnight!

  63. ralphm

    m&m: come on man, I still have 12 days!

  64. Kev

    OK. AOAOB?

  65. ralphm

    m&m: keeping things exciting

  66. stpeter

    voting tally updated again, will process those documents today

  67. m&m

    stpeter: thank you

  68. Kev

    stpeter: Thanks.

  69. stpeter

    sure thing

  70. Kev

    OK, we're done then?

  71. Kev

    Thanks all.

  72. stpeter

    seems so

  73. Kev bangs the gavel.

  74. m&m


  75. Tobias


  76. stpeter processes XEPs before his next conference call

  77. ralphm


  78. ralphm


  79. stpeter

    Tobias: actually, I had advanced XEP-0220 but neglected to update the tally page ;-)

  80. stpeter

    I still don't know why I'm an author in 297 :P

  81. Kev

    I guess Matt added you.

  82. stpeter

    I guess I might remove myself ;-)

  83. Tobias


  84. Kev

    stpeter: You're an author because you added yourself in version 0.5, commit 67282456 :)

  85. Kev

    Although I suspect the diff was Matt's, given the changelog.

  86. stpeter


  87. stpeter

    I wrote the schema

  88. stpeter

    but that's trivial

  89. Kev

    stpeter: If you /want/ to, you can fake other people's authorship of commits in Git.

  90. Kev

    So if people send you a patch, but you have to apply it, you can do so in their name.

  91. stpeter

    true, although I could fake a lot of stuff if I wanted to

  92. Kev

    I meant that this might be a useful thing to fake :)

  93. stpeter

    actually XEP-0297 is missing the registrar section

  94. stpeter adds

  95. ralphm

    Kev: but wait, git has a feature that makes it possible to differentiate between author and committer. No need to fake.

  96. Kev

    ralphm: I don't think you're addressing the use case that I was suggesting.

  97. Kev

    The problem isn't knowing that it was Peter who pushed other people's Git patches. It's knowing who sent the diff when Peter has to apply a diff and create a git commit from it.

  98. Kev

    (Because people send Peter diffs, rather than the result of git format-patch)

  99. Kev

    If people send git format-patch, then all is well with the world.

  100. ralphm

    Kev: git commit --author

  101. Kev

    Indeed. Which is the faking of the author of a commit that I was suggesting Peter does.

  102. Kev

    It would have been quicker to say "I agree with Kev" :D

  103. ralphm

    that's not faking, that's setting the metadata properly

  104. ralphm

    see what I object to?

  105. ralphm

    you call it faking, I am saying this feature was explicitly created for this use case

  106. Kev

    Yes. You're agreeing with me, but arguing with the words I used to express the opinion you agree with :D

  107. ralphm

    Kev: yeah, that's what I do.

  108. ralphm

    Kev: should sound familiar :-D

  109. Kev

    As long as we're agreed on that.