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KevI don't have rights to kick.
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KevDestroyed the process.
stpeteryay
m&mwhew
stpeterok
ralphm(as a side remark, it would be pretty helpful if people would include titles along with XEP numeric references in e-mail (subjects))
stpeteras I was saying
m&mour long nightmare is over
stpeterso
m&mralphm: +1
ralphmrevenge of the colon
fipporalphm: or the shortname at least
KevSo, I'm not able to demote, which seems like it might be a Prosody bug and we should upgrade. And I should fix Kanchil.
stpeterBen Campbell (XMPP WG chair) mentioned that the 156 reference only talks about DNS TXT now
stpeterwhich we'll fix
ralphmright
stpeterthe question is how to handle the WebSocket-related registrations
stpeterI'm inclined to leave 156 as it will be, but register the WebSocket entries from the RFC instead of putting them directly into 156
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stpeterbecause all 156 1.1 does is say "here's a format for the URIs"
KevSo leave 156 with the 1.1 .well-known stuff.
stpeterin fact, I think the XMPP Over WebSocket RFC can register its desired .well-known URI directly with IANA, now that I think about it
stpeteryes
Kevstpeter: And by 'registrations' you mean the protocol registrations, not user registration.
ralphmstpeter: so the XMPP Registrar doesn't need to be involved
stpeterI mean urn:xmpp:alt-connections:websocket
stpetersorry, I mis-spoke
KevRight. And that just goes into the links in 156, right?
stpeteryes
stpeteras 156 1.1 says:
Because the link relations specified here are extension relation types rather than registered relation types (see Section 4 of RFC 5988), this document requires no interaction with the Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA) [9].
KevSo I think this is orthogonal to 156.
KevAh, well, that's slightly inconvenient, but not a problem, I think. Websockets-xmpp can just give the right URI.
stpeterso I think the X.O.W. RFC can register urn:xmpp:alt-connections:websocket with the XMPP Registrar, which is novel at least
ralphmwell, we can just add a back reference in the registry
m&mgiven some of the discussion in past XMPP WG sessions (notably the lack of SRV in a number of registrars), would it be worth adding the equivalents for the existing SRV-based one?
ralphmthat seems fine to me
Kevstpeter: Or we just allow free use of URIs in 156.
ralphmyay for distributed standardization
stpeteror of course the IETF could define its own URIs
stpeterKev: "free use"?
KevNot say these are special extension relation types, and allow more than
urn:xmpp:alt-connections:httppoll
urn:xmpp:alt-connections:websocket
urn:xmpp:alt-connections:xbosh
stpeterah
stpetersure
KevBut I'm fine with XOW registering too, I think it's a non-issue.
stpeteragreed
stpetermoving on, then?
Lancewhich is already the case. 156 is using the host-meta file, which would potentially include other services
KevAnd we don't have so many of these that we seem to have scalability problems.
stpeterKev: right
ralphmI'm sure our Registrar doesn't mind adding one or two things later
stpeterLance and I can communicate this to the XMPP WG on Friday
KevFab, ta.
KevMoving along, then.
Kev5) http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/xsf/xmpp-council/
Can people send their new bios along to someone with write access to that page, please?
KevI have a bad feeling that I have write access, and so that could be me.
KevI'm looking for an ack :)
Lancewill do
fippoack.
KevGood enough.
stpeterif your don't write your own, I write 'em for you
stpeterbeware
ralphmheh
Kev6) 300 (hashes)
Fippo?
ralphmI just noticed that I actually served 9 terms.
m&mralphm: longest running!
fipporight... i would like to get 0300 to draft
m&mfippo: +1
KevAs-is, or do we need changes?
fippoit seems well written and it would solve a problem i in 0320
stpeterI haven't looked at it in a while
fippoas-is. there has been little (or rather no) feedback on standards@
KevOK. Shall we shove LC onto the agenda for next meeting, then?
fippobut matt miller has something in the works which will use it, too
m&mI agree with fippo
Kevstpeter: You happy with reinstating it without changes, or do we need to make a dummy change to move back to Experimental?
stpeteras I recall, it didn't solve the problem for all XMPP extensions, but it would be useful for new ones
LanceI seem to recall some issue with 300, I'll double check and post if that's true
KevLance: OK, ta.
stpeterthanks
stpeterI shall review it again as well
KevRight.I think that was it for this meeting.
Kev7) Date of next.
stpeterduring the Pervasive Surveillance discussion this morning at the IETF meeting
m&mat one point I wanted some way of having a convention for within data forms, but that's not very important to me anymore
stpeterwhich should be quite entertaining :-)
KevNext week is one of my 'not good for me' weeks.
stpeterlive streaming will be available :-)
stpeterI'll be on a plane next week
KevWould anyone like a meeting without me, or skip a week?
KevI'm proposing 16:10Z 20th November.
stpeterWFM
fippoWFM -- no urgent issues
Lancewfm
KevMattJ/Tobias?
Tobiaswfm
KevDangerously close to time here :)
KevOK, let's assume MattJ is OK too.
Kev8) AOB?
stpeterAOB ... Lance was good enough to gather all the BOSH changes into a single patch, so I will apply that for review by the Council (124 + 206)
KevI saw that note, I just didn't think it needed discussion until the patch was out :)
stpeteryep
KevAnything else?
stpeternothing here, I think
KevGood enough!
KevA minute over, don't want to make a habit of this :)
KevThanks all.
ralphm:-D
Kevbangs the gavel.
m&mhehe
Tobiasthank you
stpetergood first meeting
ralphmI blame it on Kanchil
m&mralph and me are Waldorf and Statler
fipporalphm: it looked like a silo...
MattJSorry folks, power (and my router) went off
ralphmm&m: They aren’t half bad.
m&mthey aren't half good either!
KevEveryone loves those guys.
m&mHAR HAR HAR HAR
stpeterlooks at XEP-0300
fippostpeter: arguably base64 is better than something like 02:1A:CC:54:27:AB:EB:9C:53:3F:3E:4B:65:2E:7D:46:3F:54:42:CD:54:F1:7A:03:A2:7D:F9:B0:7F:46:19:B2
Lanceah, found the issue, and looks like it was resolved. it was use of urn:xmpp:hash-function-textual-names vs urn:xmpp:hash-function-text-names
Tobiasbut what form of base64 ^^
Lanceprevious version was using both, but latest uses the '-text-' version only
fippoi think it needs a sentence which describes that this is the base64 of the raw output something (i need to look it up) of the hash
MattJXEP-0115 has some text for that
fipporight, in 5.1 bullet 9. perfect
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stpeterI wonder if "These recommendations ought to be reviewed yearly by the XMPP Council" is a bit optimistic
ralphmlooks nice and vague to me :-D
stpeterit is possible that URNs like "urn:iana:hash-function-text-names:md5" (not urn:xmpp) might be minted at some point
KevI don't know. Council seem able to turn up to their meetings, which is beating 60% of the new Board :)
stpeterI was working with IANA on that for a while
stpeterheh
stpeteroh is there a Board meeting now? yikes
ralphmstpeter: well, not yet, I suppose :-(
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stpeterBTW the IETF plenary is live streamed at http://www.ietf.org/live/ if you're interested (the fun technical content hasn't started yet)
bearwhen does it start?
stpeterthe plenary has started, but preliminaries are happening right now
stpeterI can tell you when Bruce's talk starts
bearI have the youtube channel up but it says "Please Stand By"
bearthe text stream is going strong tho
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bearopens m3u
Tobiasis the video steam working for any one?
bearyes but i had to refresh many times
stpeterfippo says "http://vancouver.conf.meetecho.com/WebLite/event.jsp?w=plenary might provide an alternative if youtube doesn't work"
Tobiasthat works
fippotobias: your'e living in a developing country too, eh?
Tobiasfippo, apparently
Tobiasfor me it just showed "This video is not available.", "Sorry about that" also known as ..."We're sooooo sorryyyy"
Tobiasfippo, did they geolock the youtube stream? ^^
stpeterthe audio stream might be good enough
Tobiasstpeter, the meetecho link worked :)
stpetergreat
stpeterthe meetecho guys are cool
stpeterplus they like xmpp ;-)
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ralphmIs GEMA blocking even the IETF now?
bearlaughs at how quickly the "so sometimes it is possible to have consensus" comment was responded to