XMPP Council - 2014-01-08

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  25. Kev Right, 1 minute. Time to grab a water.
  26. ralphm Done
  27. Kev Water has been fetched :)
  28. Kev 1) Roll call.
  29. Kev I am here.
  30. MattJ Breakfast grabbed
  31. MattJ I think, therefore I am here
  32. fippo here
  33. Kev Tobias / Lance: piiing.
  34. Tobias here
  35. Lance heh
  36. Lance here
  37. ralphm woot
  38. stpeter MattJ: do you live on Pacific Time?
  39. Kev No-one sent anything more for the agenda, so I guess we're just on the two items.
  40. MattJ stpeter, I'm calling it jetlag
  41. Kev 2) http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/jingle-dtls.html Accept?
  42. MattJ But I haven't travelled anywhere since the last summit
  43. Tobias i'm +1 for accept
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  45. MattJ +1 also
  46. Lance +1, but it will likely need some more work as the sdp stuff for it gets hammered out
  47. fippo i'm +1 for accepting this. it needs more work, but that is because the datachannels are still somewhat in flux
  48. Kev I need to give it a better glance before not objecting, but I'm anticipating it being fine to publish.
  49. Kev I'll post on list once I've done so.
  50. Kev 3) http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0152.html
  51. Kev I think, if i read xep1 correctly, we don't need to vote on an LC for this, and it's automatically given one because of the Council change.
  52. Kev stpeter (if you're paying attention, but I see you're on a call so maybe not), that sound about right?
  53. stpeter yes
  54. Kev Fab.
  55. stpeter just finished the call
  56. Kev The new Editor-Team can sort that out, then :)
  57. ralphm heh
  58. Kev (Assuming Board are about to ratify that)
  59. Kev 4) Date of next.
  60. stpeter :)
  61. ralphm I'm sure it's on the agenda.
  62. stpeter I need to write up a charter for the Editor Team
  63. Peter Waher event logging and dynamic forms?
  64. Kev The reason I used to have to move it from 16:00 to 16:10 isn't an issue any more, so we could move back to 16:00, if people like.
  65. Kev Or we can keep it as the current 20mins, which is usually fine but sometimes tight.
  66. stpeter Peter Waher: I think the objections periods for those have ended, so I think they can be published now
  67. ralphm +1 on 16:00
  68. Peter Waher (y)
  69. ralphm so that we can start board at 16:30
  70. Tobias +1 on the time change too
  71. MattJ +1 for 16:10
  72. fippo 16:00 works for me.
  73. MattJ er
  74. stpeter WFM
  75. Peter Waher I've updated them and answered to all objections. Should be fine.
  76. Dave Cridland I would prefer to have a short gap before the board meeting, anyway. There's often a few minutes of interesting chatter after the council.
  77. MattJ I didn't mean that!
  78. MattJ +1 for 16:00
  79. Lance +1 16:00
  80. ralphm MattJ: I call Jetlag.
  81. MattJ Meetings before breakfast
  82. Kev Ok, so 16:00 next Wed, then?
  83. Tobias wfm
  84. MattJ wfm
  85. fippo wfm
  86. Lance wfm
  87. Kev 5) Any other business?
  88. Dave Cridland Kev, Yeah.
  89. Kev I immediately regret asking :)
  90. MattJ :)
  91. Dave Cridland Kev, In a discussion I had recently, the subject of the late and lamented tech review work team was mentioned.
  92. Dave Cridland Kev, Would the Council like an effort to reinstantiate that?
  93. Peter Waher you agree to publish the event logging and dynamic forms XEPs, latest revisions?
  94. Kev Peter Waher: My understanding was that those had passed Council. I can double-check later.
  95. Peter Waher they're not published yet
  96. Kev Peter Waher: See the ongoing discussion about the XEP Editor being overworked.
  97. Kev Dave Cridland: I'm not desperate to start a new work team unless there's actually a bunch of people who would want to be on it.
  98. ralphm Kev: agreed
  99. Kev Dave Cridland: If it's one person who wants to do some reviews, I don't see any problem with an informal arrangement.
  100. Kev If there /are/ a group of people who want to be reviewing stuff ~formally, then I'm not strictly opposed to reinstating it.
  101. ralphm Kev: in that case, the team is basically standards@ subscribers
  102. Kev It's a fine idea to have one.
  103. Kev ralphm: That's a nice idea, but I'm pretty sure most of standards@ subscribers aren't reviewing stuff muc.
  104. Kev Heh, Freudian slip. *much*
  105. Kev Dave Cridland: Do you think there's general interest in a formal team for doing reviews?
  106. ralphm Kev: I think we are in agreement
  107. Kev ralphm: An excellent place to be.
  108. Dave Cridland I don't know. I am vaguely under the impression there's a certain degree of interest members in doing *something*, and capitalizing on that might yield a work team.
  109. ralphm It might even be better to ask (to volunteer) specific people for specific documents
  110. MattJ What does a review team add over the council?
  111. Kev MattJ: The Council is a last resort.
  112. Dave Cridland But even the formation of such a team would involve effort, so I'm wondering if the Council see that as a laudable goal or not.
  113. Kev MattJ: It would be much better for document authors to have feedback earlier than "No, we're not letting this go to Draft".
  114. Dave Cridland MattJ, More eyeballs.
  115. Kev Dave Cridland: I'm not opposed. If it happened and worked it would be a Fine Thing. I'd be inclined to start by asking if there are actually people who want to participate in such a thing, rather than trying to formalise the flagpole and then see if anyone salutes.
  116. Dave Cridland Kev, Meaning COuncil needn't always be the Bad Guys.
  117. Kev There is that, although it's not really my concern in this.
  118. Dave Cridland Kev, It's not entirely clear to me if we already have the work team, with nobody actually doing anything with it. That is, the formal aspects might actually be done already.
  119. Kev But, for Experimental XEPs, for example. Council generally let stuff through that is fine to start, but they know is a long way off Draft quality. A review team could help with the interim.
  120. Dave Cridland But anyway, I'm good with the advice I have from Council.
  121. Kev Dave Cridland: I don't much care about the formality. If there are people wanting to do this, it'd be great for it to happen.
  122. Kev Anyone with anything else for anything else?
  123. fippo i just noted that peter requested 0279 as another agenda item
  124. fippo http://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/council/2013-December/003809.html
  125. Kev Oh, oops.
  126. Kev Re-ordering a little, then
  127. Kev 3b) http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0279.html LC?
  128. MattJ +1
  129. Lance +1 LC
  130. Tobias +1
  131. fippo i'm fine with LC
  132. Kev I don't mind a Last Call. I still wonder on this XEP and whether it's useful compared to STUN, but that's an LC comment.
  133. Lance though it does have a typo in example 2
  134. Kev 5) Any other business? :)
  135. Tobias none here
  136. Kev OK, I think we're done then.
  137. Kev Thanks all :)
  138. fippo i think I (with my authors hat) want some pending votes on colibri as well, but i'll check the archives and post to the list
  139. Kev bangs the gavel.
  140. Kev fippo: Didn't I send mine?
  141. Kev I vaguely remember ticking off that TODO.
  142. fippo kev: you said "OK."
  143. Kev Sorry, Isode patch review habit.
  144. Kev OK = +1.
  145. MattJ I read "hobbit"
  146. Dave Cridland You always responded "Oh Kay" to mine.
  147. ralphm
  148. Kev MattJ: Having patch review hobbits might be interesting.
  149. ralphm Kev: you have shires around, right?
  150. Kev Something like that.
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