fippo: I haven't sent an agenda, which isn't quite the same as there not being one.
Kev
winfried: I don't have that on the agenda. I do have on the agenda choosing a XEP Editor team that can issue the calls for Council to shove stuff on the agenda though :)
Kev
The things I have on the agenda for today are:
2) 152 vote
3) Select editors
4) deprecate non-forms from 55?
Kev
And 'tis time, 'tis time.
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1) Rolls
Kev
I'm here.
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Here
ralphm
Here
fippo
here
Kev
Tobias: ?
Tobias
here
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2) http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0152.html
Move to Draft?
Lance
+1
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fippo
'+1
Tobias
+1
Kev
I'll +1, grumbling a bit that the people who most need it didn't comment saying so.
Kev
3) Select editors
Kev
So, the deal here is that we pick the XEP Editors we think we should have, and then present the list to Board for them to ratify.
ralphm
How many implementations are there or 0152?
Kev
ralphm: "Some"
ralphm
Kev: is that >=2, interoperable?
Kev
By my reckoning, we've had as volunteers Dave, m&m, Ashley, Stefan (Strigler), Lloyd, Steffen (Larsen).
Kev
ralphm: That's the requirement for Final, not Draft.
ralphm
Kev: I know this, of course.
Tobias
what's the size we're aiming at for that team?
winfried
I was at the list too
Kev
But yes, I believe there are >=2. I do not know if they're interoperable, due to the lack of responses on list.
Kev
winfried: My bad, I stopped typing before getting to the bottom of the thread.
ralphm
Kev: I just wanted to know if there has been enough gathered experience, given the lack of real LC comments.
Kev
Tobias: Up to us, I think.
bear
> 2 and < too many
fippo
ralphm: i know a thing which solves the same usecase and i think 0152 is a good fit for the requirements
Kev
ralphm: I'm basically trusting Peter here, who said it should be Draft, and Lance, who's implemented it IIRC.
ralphm
bear: thanks
ralphm
fippo, Kev: right
Kev
(I also volunteered for the editor role)
Kev
My inclination for the Editor team is to just choose those people who aren't already serving on Board/Council from the list, and filter no further than that.
ralphm
My personal stance on the Editor Team is that sitting council and board members should not be serving.
Kev
ralphm: My stance is that there's no problem with overlap with Council, probably no problem with Board, but that people on Council/Board are doing enough already :)
Kev
Lance / fippo / Tobias: What are your thoughts on this?
Lance
I'm fine appointing all non-council, non-board to the team
Tobias
i'm fine with that too
fippo
wfm, too.
ralphm
Kev: indeed
ralphm
I'm still ok with them providing review comments on pull requests, of course
Kev
Fab. In that case, I'll suggest this at the immenent Board meeting for them to ratify.
Kev
I'll also learn to typo.
Tobias
one thing at a time
Kev
4) There was discussion at the summit about deprecating the non-xep4 bit of xep55. What do people think of doing that?
fippo
does that change the current workflow where some people have direct git access? (e.g. me)?
fippo
i'm happy to have more people who review diffs though
Tobias
fippo, i think not
Kev
My view is that xep55 is a mess, but that it's widely deployed and if we want to drastically change semantics, it's better to just obsolete it with a new one.
Lance
Kev: +1 on that sentiment
Kev
fippo: I am assuming not, but the editor team might decide otherwise.
bear
how the editorial team works will be decided by them after it's been formed
Tobias
yup, jabber search is widely implemented in servers and clients, the way it currently is
ralphm
Kev: I had the same idea, just do a new one, with a new namespace, like we did with delay
Kev
I think people will shout if they start taking away the ability to push patches from people who already have it, so they are probably not foolhardy enough to try, but I think it's the editor team's decision to not fight that particular beast ;)
Kev
Cool. I think that's us done for action items (by next week the editor team will probably be asking for BOSH voting :))
Kev
5) Date of next
Kev
SBTSBC?
Lance
wfm
Tobias
wfm
Kev
fippo?
fippo
wfm
Kev
6) AOB?
Tobias
none here
Lance
none here
Kev
Good enough.
Kev
Thanks all.
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winfried
thank you kev!
Tobias
thanks Kev
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oh sigh, I spaced out the meeting
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bear
and here I thought you had amazing timing to arrive *just* as it ended