XMPP Council - 2014-02-12

  1. Zash


  2. fippo

    i don't think we have an agenda...

  3. winfried

    BOSH patches?

  4. Kev

    fippo: I haven't sent an agenda, which isn't quite the same as there not being one.

  5. Kev

    winfried: I don't have that on the agenda. I do have on the agenda choosing a XEP Editor team that can issue the calls for Council to shove stuff on the agenda though :)

  6. Kev

    The things I have on the agenda for today are: 2) 152 vote 3) Select editors 4) deprecate non-forms from 55?

  7. Kev

    And 'tis time, 'tis time.

  8. Kev

    1) Rolls

  9. Kev

    I'm here.

  10. Lance


  11. ralphm


  12. fippo


  13. Kev

    Tobias: ?

  14. Tobias


  15. Kev

    2) http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0152.html Move to Draft?

  16. Lance


  17. fippo


  18. Tobias


  19. Kev

    I'll +1, grumbling a bit that the people who most need it didn't comment saying so.

  20. Kev

    3) Select editors

  21. Kev

    So, the deal here is that we pick the XEP Editors we think we should have, and then present the list to Board for them to ratify.

  22. ralphm

    How many implementations are there or 0152?

  23. Kev

    ralphm: "Some"

  24. ralphm

    Kev: is that >=2, interoperable?

  25. Kev

    By my reckoning, we've had as volunteers Dave, m&m, Ashley, Stefan (Strigler), Lloyd, Steffen (Larsen).

  26. Kev

    ralphm: That's the requirement for Final, not Draft.

  27. ralphm

    Kev: I know this, of course.

  28. Tobias

    what's the size we're aiming at for that team?

  29. winfried

    I was at the list too

  30. Kev

    But yes, I believe there are >=2. I do not know if they're interoperable, due to the lack of responses on list.

  31. Kev

    winfried: My bad, I stopped typing before getting to the bottom of the thread.

  32. ralphm

    Kev: I just wanted to know if there has been enough gathered experience, given the lack of real LC comments.

  33. Kev

    Tobias: Up to us, I think.

  34. bear

    > 2 and < too many

  35. fippo

    ralphm: i know a thing which solves the same usecase and i think 0152 is a good fit for the requirements

  36. Kev

    ralphm: I'm basically trusting Peter here, who said it should be Draft, and Lance, who's implemented it IIRC.

  37. ralphm

    bear: thanks

  38. ralphm

    fippo, Kev: right

  39. Kev

    (I also volunteered for the editor role)

  40. Kev

    My inclination for the Editor team is to just choose those people who aren't already serving on Board/Council from the list, and filter no further than that.

  41. ralphm

    My personal stance on the Editor Team is that sitting council and board members should not be serving.

  42. Kev

    ralphm: My stance is that there's no problem with overlap with Council, probably no problem with Board, but that people on Council/Board are doing enough already :)

  43. Kev

    Lance / fippo / Tobias: What are your thoughts on this?

  44. Lance

    I'm fine appointing all non-council, non-board to the team

  45. Tobias

    i'm fine with that too

  46. fippo

    wfm, too.

  47. ralphm

    Kev: indeed

  48. ralphm

    I'm still ok with them providing review comments on pull requests, of course

  49. Kev

    Fab. In that case, I'll suggest this at the immenent Board meeting for them to ratify.

  50. Kev

    I'll also learn to typo.

  51. Tobias

    one thing at a time

  52. Kev

    4) There was discussion at the summit about deprecating the non-xep4 bit of xep55. What do people think of doing that?

  53. fippo

    does that change the current workflow where some people have direct git access? (e.g. me)?

  54. fippo

    i'm happy to have more people who review diffs though

  55. Tobias

    fippo, i think not

  56. Kev

    My view is that xep55 is a mess, but that it's widely deployed and if we want to drastically change semantics, it's better to just obsolete it with a new one.

  57. Lance

    Kev: +1 on that sentiment

  58. Kev

    fippo: I am assuming not, but the editor team might decide otherwise.

  59. bear

    how the editorial team works will be decided by them after it's been formed

  60. Tobias

    yup, jabber search is widely implemented in servers and clients, the way it currently is

  61. ralphm

    Kev: I had the same idea, just do a new one, with a new namespace, like we did with delay

  62. Kev

    I think people will shout if they start taking away the ability to push patches from people who already have it, so they are probably not foolhardy enough to try, but I think it's the editor team's decision to not fight that particular beast ;)

  63. Kev

    Cool. I think that's us done for action items (by next week the editor team will probably be asking for BOSH voting :))

  64. Kev

    5) Date of next

  65. Kev


  66. Lance


  67. Tobias


  68. Kev


  69. fippo


  70. Kev

    6) AOB?

  71. Tobias

    none here

  72. Lance

    none here

  73. Kev

    Good enough.

  74. Kev

    Thanks all.

  75. Kev bangs the gavel.

  76. winfried

    thank you kev!

  77. Tobias

    thanks Kev

  78. stpeter

    oh sigh, I spaced out the meeting

  79. stpeter checks out the room logs

  80. bear

    and here I thought you had amazing timing to arrive *just* as it ended

  81. stpeter


  82. Tobias

    at least in time for the board shenanigans

  83. stpeter


  84. stpeter

    ok, that all looks good