XMPP Council - 2014-02-12

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  21. Zash Meeting?
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  23. fippo i don't think we have an agenda...
  24. winfried BOSH patches?
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  27. Kev fippo: I haven't sent an agenda, which isn't quite the same as there not being one.
  28. Kev winfried: I don't have that on the agenda. I do have on the agenda choosing a XEP Editor team that can issue the calls for Council to shove stuff on the agenda though :)
  29. Kev The things I have on the agenda for today are: 2) 152 vote 3) Select editors 4) deprecate non-forms from 55?
  30. Kev And 'tis time, 'tis time.
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  32. Kev 1) Rolls
  33. Kev I'm here.
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  35. Lance Here
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  38. Kev Tobias: ?
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  41. Kev 2) http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0152.html Move to Draft?
  42. Lance +1
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  44. fippo '+1
  45. Tobias +1
  46. Kev I'll +1, grumbling a bit that the people who most need it didn't comment saying so.
  47. Kev 3) Select editors
  48. Kev So, the deal here is that we pick the XEP Editors we think we should have, and then present the list to Board for them to ratify.
  49. ralphm How many implementations are there or 0152?
  50. Kev ralphm: "Some"
  51. ralphm Kev: is that >=2, interoperable?
  52. Kev By my reckoning, we've had as volunteers Dave, m&m, Ashley, Stefan (Strigler), Lloyd, Steffen (Larsen).
  53. Kev ralphm: That's the requirement for Final, not Draft.
  54. ralphm Kev: I know this, of course.
  55. Tobias what's the size we're aiming at for that team?
  56. winfried I was at the list too
  57. Kev But yes, I believe there are >=2. I do not know if they're interoperable, due to the lack of responses on list.
  58. Kev winfried: My bad, I stopped typing before getting to the bottom of the thread.
  59. ralphm Kev: I just wanted to know if there has been enough gathered experience, given the lack of real LC comments.
  60. Kev Tobias: Up to us, I think.
  61. bear > 2 and < too many
  62. fippo ralphm: i know a thing which solves the same usecase and i think 0152 is a good fit for the requirements
  63. Kev ralphm: I'm basically trusting Peter here, who said it should be Draft, and Lance, who's implemented it IIRC.
  64. ralphm bear: thanks
  65. ralphm fippo, Kev: right
  66. Kev (I also volunteered for the editor role)
  67. Kev My inclination for the Editor team is to just choose those people who aren't already serving on Board/Council from the list, and filter no further than that.
  68. ralphm My personal stance on the Editor Team is that sitting council and board members should not be serving.
  69. Kev ralphm: My stance is that there's no problem with overlap with Council, probably no problem with Board, but that people on Council/Board are doing enough already :)
  70. Kev Lance / fippo / Tobias: What are your thoughts on this?
  71. Lance I'm fine appointing all non-council, non-board to the team
  72. Tobias i'm fine with that too
  73. fippo wfm, too.
  74. ralphm Kev: indeed
  75. ralphm I'm still ok with them providing review comments on pull requests, of course
  76. Kev Fab. In that case, I'll suggest this at the immenent Board meeting for them to ratify.
  77. Kev I'll also learn to typo.
  78. Tobias one thing at a time
  79. Kev 4) There was discussion at the summit about deprecating the non-xep4 bit of xep55. What do people think of doing that?
  80. fippo does that change the current workflow where some people have direct git access? (e.g. me)?
  81. fippo i'm happy to have more people who review diffs though
  82. Tobias fippo, i think not
  83. Kev My view is that xep55 is a mess, but that it's widely deployed and if we want to drastically change semantics, it's better to just obsolete it with a new one.
  84. Lance Kev: +1 on that sentiment
  85. Kev fippo: I am assuming not, but the editor team might decide otherwise.
  86. bear how the editorial team works will be decided by them after it's been formed
  87. Tobias yup, jabber search is widely implemented in servers and clients, the way it currently is
  88. ralphm Kev: I had the same idea, just do a new one, with a new namespace, like we did with delay
  89. Kev I think people will shout if they start taking away the ability to push patches from people who already have it, so they are probably not foolhardy enough to try, but I think it's the editor team's decision to not fight that particular beast ;)
  90. Kev Cool. I think that's us done for action items (by next week the editor team will probably be asking for BOSH voting :))
  91. Kev 5) Date of next
  92. Kev SBTSBC?
  93. Lance wfm
  94. Tobias wfm
  95. Kev fippo?
  96. fippo wfm
  97. Kev 6) AOB?
  98. Tobias none here
  99. Lance none here
  100. Kev Good enough.
  101. Kev Thanks all.
  102. Kev bangs the gavel.
  103. winfried thank you kev!
  104. Tobias thanks Kev
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  106. stpeter oh sigh, I spaced out the meeting
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  108. bear and here I thought you had amazing timing to arrive *just* as it ended
  109. stpeter heh
  110. Tobias at least in time for the board shenanigans
  111. stpeter :)
  112. stpeter ok, that all looks good
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