XMPP Council - 2014-02-26

  1. Kev

    By my reckoning (the editor team haven't responded to me asking if we're supposed to be voting on BOSH), our agenda today is roughly Roll/Date/AOB.

  2. stpeter

    love those short meetings :-)

  3. stpeter


  4. fippo

    https://gist.github.com/jamesvnz/6756208 -- this makes me wonder if they seriously abuse the type attribute...

  5. m&m


  6. fippo

    ah... they don't -- https://developer.android.com/google/gcm/ccs.html

  7. Kev


  8. Tobias


  9. Kev

    1) Are we rolls?

  10. Kev

    I'm here.

  11. Tobias


  12. MattJ


  13. Lance


  14. Kev

    And fippo's obviously not here, as he was talking a moment ago.

  15. Kev


  16. fippo

    errr... yes

  17. Kev

    Assuming I'm right about not having more stuff.

  18. Kev

    2) Date of next.

  19. Kev

    I can't do next Wednesday

  20. MattJ

    Hmm, not sure yet if I can

  21. Kev

    Can skip a week, move it, or have it without me.

  22. Kev

    I'd be inclined to skip a week, given IETF.

  23. Tobias


  24. Tobias

    the skipping

  25. fippo

    skip it

  26. Zash

    the skippening

  27. Lance

    wfm to skip

  28. Kev


  29. Dave Cridland skips about. Tra-la-la.

  30. Kev

    3) AOB?

  31. MattJ

    None here

  32. m&m

    I have one item to bring up

  33. m&m

    if I may

  34. Kev

    I note, not as directly business, that the Editors are now functional.

  35. Dave Cridland

    Can I ask the COuncil members in particular to look at my XEP-0001 change proposal?

  36. Kev

    m&m: Shoot.

  37. Kev

    Dave Cridland: Oh, about that, I note that Council /do/ vote on Humerous generally.

  38. Kev

    They just do it by pre-approving whatever the author is going to say.

  39. Kev

    Which is obviously a nonsense. But I don't see a reason to change it.

  40. m&m

    historically, we had a page that collected all of the protocols, and provided short information block on them

  41. m&m


  42. m&m

    however, that page (and its children) haven't been updated in several months — possibly years

  43. stpeter

    probably years

  44. m&m

    so my question is, does the council see value in keeping it?

  45. Kev

    A list of registered namespaces seems worthwhile. Pointing to the XEPs in which they're registered seems worthwhile. More than that seems not, to me.

  46. MattJ

    Is this from when we had pages at jabber.org/protocol/*?

  47. Dave Cridland

    Oh... So this probably made more sense when we used the http://jabber.org/protocol namespace.

  48. Kev

    MattJ: Yes.

  49. m&m


  50. MattJ

    To be honest it would be nice if we could preserve those links, but not necessary

  51. Dave Cridland

    Speaking from the floor, while the XMPP Registrar certainly needs to maintain a list of allocated namespaces, I see no particular reason for anyone else to dictate its form.

  52. m&m

    we already have the registrar list

  53. stpeter

    as I recall, the http://jabber.org/protocol/* namespaces all had pages like this and then we had redirects in place to point those to these pages at xmpp.org

  54. m&m

    this is, in some sense, duplicate information

  55. stpeter

    m&m: yes

  56. Kev

    m&m: I think this was a straw poll rather than a Council action, right?

  57. Kev

    m&m: And that we've now done that?

  58. m&m

    it is, yes

  59. m&m

    well, I'm inclined to remove the landing page, and leave the existing directories in place

  60. m&m

    at least for http://jabber.org/protocol/* links

  61. m&m

    but not do any other updates

  62. Kev

    This seems sensible to me.

  63. Kev

    m&m: Happy that we're done?

  64. stpeter nods

  65. MattJ


  66. m&m


  67. Dave Cridland

    Kev, As for Humorous XEPs, I didn't *think* Coucil approved them in any meaningful sense. I couldn't remember voting on any, certainly. I'm happy with whatever; as usual I'm more interested in documenting what is done here.

  68. Kev


  69. Tobias


  70. Tobias

    none here

  71. Kev

    Dave Cridland: I remember voting on them, but only in a loose sense. I'm vaguely opposed to introducing a new approving body.

  72. stpeter

    Dave Cridland: the Editor would send them to the Council members (off-list, to retain some element of surprise)

  73. Kev

    I think this is outside Council discussion, so let's carry on after.

  74. Dave Cridland

    Kev, OK. Please post that to the list; it'll spark some debate.

  75. stpeter


  76. Kev

    I think we're done with Council.

  77. Kev

    Thanks all

  78. Kev bangs the gavel.

  79. Tobias

    thank you

  80. m&m


  81. Kev

    Dave Cridland: Yes, I'll look at them more thoroughly (like, at all), and post to the list.

  82. MattJ


  83. Tobias

    Lance, you've suggested adding tags/keyworks to XEPs, right?

  84. MattJ disappears back to 'IRL'

  85. Lance

    i have no memory of it, but it would be nice to group them, yes

  86. Tobias

    yeah..seems sensible, so what kind of groups did you have in mind?

  87. Tobias

    just to get a rough idea

  88. Lance

    pubsub, jingle, muc to start

  89. fippo

    c2s, s2s, im, presence, pubsub, muc, jingle would be the ones that come to my mind

  90. Tobias

    ah..yeah..those seem to make sense

  91. Lance

    i'd like a very subjective 'this is a minimum you need to use to be a modern xmpp client', but that might be too subjective unless we do a compliance suite for it first

  92. Lance

    just something to avoid listing ~400 xeps at once when someone first lands on the page

  93. Tobias


  94. Zash

    Wouldn't that be the compliance suites?

  95. Tobias

    it sure would ease getting an overview...i'll see what i can do to integrate that in our publishing system

  96. Lance

    Zash presumably, yes. it would be nice to make the xep list filterable by those suites

  97. stpeter

    oh that's right we need to update the compliance suite(s) document

  98. m&m

    fippo: editors of draft-ietf-xmpp-dna want your feedback posted to xmpp@ietf.org!

  99. Tobias

    they want you, NOW! ... maybe they'll even hang posters on the walls

  100. m&m

    ooo … that's a thought

  101. fippo

    m&m: actually that reminds me that I promised peter to re-review https://github.com/linuxwolf/xmpp-fed/pull/1

  102. m&m


  103. m&m is working through the slide ware