XMPP Council - 2014-03-19

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  7. Lance

    i dont think i'll be able to make it for the meeting this afternoon. i'll vote on list

  8. Kev

    Thanks Lance.

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  11. Kev

    BTW - things I have on for today are: http://xmpp.org/extensions/tmp/xep-0124-1.11rc3.html UPnP liasons.

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  13. Kev

    (Although I hadn't noticed that one!)

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  16. Kev

    m&m: Have I missed anything from the editor team?

  17. m&m

    that looks like the full list

  18. Kev


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  24. stpeter

    30 minutes from now, right?

  25. Tobias

    Zash, is your NTP broken?

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  27. Zash

    <iq type='get' id='so confuse'> <time xmlns='urn:xmpp:time'/> </iq>

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  29. fippo

    kev: and dont forget the agenda item you missed last time ;-)

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  31. fippo

    ah wait, you did not.

  32. fippo

    nit for 0124: content-length in example 6 seems wrong

  33. stpeter

    BTW we still need to form the UPnP Liaison Team, I received a ping about that again this morning

  34. fippo

    stpeter: kev has it on the agenda, forgot it last time

  35. fippo

    the content-length in example 3 is wrong, too

  36. fippo

    and the one in example 5

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  38. stpeter

    I admit that I haven't reviewed the latest and greatest

  39. stpeter

    probably I should since it has my name on it, eh? ;-)

  40. m&m


  41. stpeter

    in XEP-0206, I wonder if the text about TLS really makes sense - perhaps better to say "MUST NOT" do TLS at the BOSH layer?

  42. m&m

    I thought that's what we all agreed to

  43. m&m

    well, XEP-0206 has some more work to be done then

  44. stpeter

    well it says: Note: Inclusion of TLS negotiation elements is allowed but is NOT RECOMMENDED. The definition of how TLS might be implemented over BOSH is currently beyond the scope of this document. Instead, channel encryption SHOULD be completed at the HTTP (transport) layer, not the XMPP (application) layer. http://xmpp.org/extensions/tmp/xep-0206-1.4.html

  45. Kev

    'tis time.

  46. Kev

    1) roll call.

  47. Kev

    Lance sent apologies.

  48. stpeter

    anyway, I think I'll take some time for a decent review and also look at this in relation to XMPP over WebSocket so that they're in alignment

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  51. Kev

    Tobias? Mattj?

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  53. Kev

    So, UPnP liasons.

  54. Kev

    I'd quite like to have either someone Council, or Council-esque on this. What do others think?

  55. Kev

    Do we have any volunteers from past/present Council or similar?

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  58. m&m

    just don't look at me, I cannot

  59. Kev

    m&m: I'm not looking at you, for that reason.

  60. stpeter

    yeah m&m is overbooked

  61. Kev

    This is also the reason I'm not looking at me.

  62. stpeter

    but everyone is overbooked

  63. m&m

    that and conflict-of-interest issues

  64. stpeter

    note also that we're likely to have 2 more liaison teams, so we'll need to spread the load

  65. Kev

    There are likely to be Jinglish things involved here, I think? Which makes fippo seem like a good choice.

  66. stpeter nods to m&m I suppose

  67. Kev

    If he'd like to volunteer.

  68. m&m

    fippo sounds like a fine candidate

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  70. Tobias

    would be nice to have someone from the council on the team

  71. fippo

    well, ok.

  72. Kev

    Tobias: Are you volunteering?

  73. stpeter

    well, I could do this as well since I've already been working with them

  74. Kev

    fippo: Ah, excellent.

  75. Tobias

    Kev, i'm quite busy as it is this semester

  76. fippo

    i can share with peter ;-)

  77. Kev

    stpeter: Or that. Although my preference would not be for you to take on anything new :p

  78. stpeter

    but that's true (for me) of all the liaison discussions

  79. Tobias

    if no one else would come up i'd spring in..if it's not too much meeting work

  80. Kev

    stpeter: Well, do you /want/ to be in on this?

  81. stpeter

    Kev: actually I would prefer that fippo not take on anything new ;-)

  82. Kev

    I have no idea what Fippo's workload is like :)

  83. fippo

    stpeter: I'll find things to drop ... like dialback :-)

  84. Kev

    stpeter / fippo / Tobias: do you want to quickly decide between yourselves?

  85. stpeter

    how about fippo and I volunteer?

  86. Peter Waher

    I also volunteer. UPnP are working with IoT-related things.

  87. stpeter

    Peter Waher: yes, thanks

  88. Kev

    Peter Waher: Yes, thanks - you and Joachim both.

  89. Tobias

    stpeter, completely happy with that :)

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  91. stpeter

    I like this liaison kind of thing

  92. Kev

    Yeah, I'd like to volunteer myself.

  93. Kev

    I'm just not going to.

  94. stpeter


  95. Kev

    How big a team do we want here?

  96. stpeter

    so me, fippo, Peter, and Joachim sounds fine

  97. Kev

    Does four people seem appropriate, or do we need to select further?

  98. stpeter

    I think we don't need more

  99. Kev

    If four people is OK (not too many), I'd like to propose fippo, Joachim and Peter^2.

  100. fippo

    let's see what the actual workload is and adapt if necessary.

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  103. Kev

    fippo / Tobias, +-1 please.

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  107. Kev

    I'll take the proposal to the Board meeting in a minute, then.

  108. Kev

    3) http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/iot-discovery.html Accept?

  109. Kev

    I need to go on-list for this.

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  111. Tobias

    i haven't gotten through this completely yet, so i'll vote on list

  112. fippo

    me too -- but i'd not that i am somewhat strongly opposed to have hardcoded user@domain names there

  113. stpeter

    I need to sit down and read then entire IoT "suite"

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  115. Kev

    4) http://xmpp.org/extensions/tmp/xep-0124-1.11rc3.html Accept 1.11?

  116. Kev

    I, similarly, need to take this to the list.

  117. fippo

    look good. the content-lengths need to be checked/fixed so i'll vote on list too with more feedback.

  118. Tobias

    didn't have that one on the radar at all..will go through the diff this evening

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  120. Kev

    5) Date of next

  121. m&m

    editor notes the examples need to sanitized

  122. Kev

    16:00 UK time, Wednesday?

  123. Kev

    (I /think/ it's the end of next week Europe hits DST)

  124. Tobias

    Kev, right...in the night from 29/30

  125. fippo

    m&m: will send that feedback directly to editor.

  126. Tobias

    that time wfm

  127. fippo

    time wfm, too

  128. Kev

    6) AOB?

  129. Tobias

    none from my side

  130. m&m

    fippo: only if that feedback is patches (-: Otherwise substantive changes really ought to be sent it to council@

  131. Kev

    So I think that's no AOB from anyone?

  132. fippo

    none from me either

  133. Kev

    In which case... thanks all.

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  135. Tobias

    thank you

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  137. MattJ

    Sigh, sorry

  138. stpeter

    hi MattJ

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  143. fippo

    m&m: sent. more work than I expected

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  145. m&m

    thank you for preserving the whitespace (-:

  146. m&m

    do the calculations assume the whitespace is present, or not present?

  147. fippo

    not present

  148. m&m


  149. fippo

    i wasnt sure what i wanted example 6 to look like

  150. fippo

    so I left the whitespace there

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