XMPP Council - 2016-06-01

BTW I'm present. :-)

I also am present and can take notes.

how much out of date is our trello?

last change somewhere in april

completely?

sorry, was delayed

0) Roll call

here

here

Dave Cridland MattJ?

1) Recommend Kev for Editor Team

Here

I'm +1 for Kev to be an editor

+1

+1

I'm always +1 to Kev.

2) Date of next

sbtsbc?

I can meet next week.

wfm

3) AOB?

what needs to be done so https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/184 gets reviewed and we can vote on it? do i need to send a mail to the editor?

This is marked as "Needs Council" (I haven't looked at it, not sure what it is): https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/106

Tobias: I need to actually get too it.

I've been switching teams at work and all sorts of fun stuff; apologies.

ah..ok

just wanted to be sure it's on somebody's list and isn't waiting on me to do anything

thanks Tobias

thanks all

thank you

ah, sorry SamWhited I just noticed that link you posted was about xep-60 and not xep-300

Oops, no worries

I'm late, but this one needs council review too, I think: https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/160

(the change is editorial, but the XEP is draft, so I'm pretty sure that's right?)

SamWhited I'm pretty sure we +1'd that already

yep, march 23, then peter +1'd in the PR

so that's good to merge and publish

Lance: #160, you mean?

Oh, yah, nevermind, the one Peter +1ed, right.

From the meeting minutes, I don't believe Council were voting on making me a member of the Editor team, they were voting on whether to recommend me to Board. Board gets to choose, but does so based on Council's recommendation.

SamWhited: And at this point you really get to complain about the process-for-the-sake-of-it :)

Kev: I don't have too anymore, you already know what I'm going to say :)

It's slightly silly, but the reasoning is sound - Board have to take responsibility, but Council is in a better position to select.

SamWhited: that change seems fine

Kev: you're so in

I'll tell Arc, too ;-)

Heh.

Sure, the Board can, and probably should, rubber-stamp these things. It just has to take responsibility.

I understand why it is :)

I don't; I'm not suggesting that we just let any random person have SSH access and allow them to mess with XEPs, but if a member of the community says they want to help, and we're short handed, I don't understand why they're not allowed to just jump in and help.

s/member/well known member/

where member has nothing to do with XSF membership (sorry, that was doubly confusing)

Anyone can contribute for sure

I am in favor having an offical Editor, thougj

(As a team or as a single individual, but surely a member)

it doesn't look like we have enough free time among our members for a single individual editor

Tobias: right, that'd beside my point

This is just the commit-bit equivalent to code projects

And doesn't mean non-editors can't contribute. The can write, review, comment, etc

Just not merge

Yah, the discussion originally was specifically that Flow and Kev said they'd be willing to help, and I said "sure I'd love help" and then it was brought up that they'd need to go through a process. Same thing happened when I volunteered to help Ash and Peter, I wasn't a member and people made a fuss about it. In my mind, Git is distributed and almost nothing is distructive, so if we know who someone is and reasonably trust them to do the right thing we should just let them help.

How does that conflict with what I said?

ralphm: I was responding to the "just not merge" bit (which I assumed would also go for sending emails, list updates, publishing, etc.)

SamWhited: Given that merging results in code execution on our servers, I think we do want some layer of officialness in there.

yup

That too

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ we know who they are, we trust them, what difference does it make if the board approves or they're officially a member or not?

I was just talking to Flow and realized there was other AOB I wanted to bring up this morning… I'd like to ask that he be made an Editor too. Can we recommend his name at the board meeting next week as well as Kev's?

He's offered to help take care of the registry and get XEPs merged and emails sent and what not.

Happy to help :)