XMPP Council - 2017-03-15

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  42. SamWhited

    FYI: I have a meeting that got rescheduled for 1630z today, so I might dissapear half way through the council meeting or somewhere thereabouts.

  43. daniel

    I won't make it today

  44. Tobias

    ok..thanks for letting us know

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  49. Tobias

    sounds it's about time

  50. Tobias

    1) roll call

  51. SamWhited


  52. Tobias

    Dave Cridland, Link Mauve?

  53. Tobias

    hmm..let's see if we can be more than two people for our meeting today :)

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  55. Dave Cridland

    I am here, sorry

  56. Dave Cridland

    Just finishing off a phone call. Blame Phil.

  57. Tobias

    oki doki

  58. Tobias

    2) Minute taker

  59. Tobias

    I can write up minutes for today

  60. Tobias

    3) https://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/standards/2017-February/032328.html

  61. Tobias

    I think Link Mauve is planning to do a review and come up with a migration plan. Any news on that?

  62. Dave Cridland

    Tobias, I thought Jonas had come up with a replacement XEP-0115 that solves all these things, at least in this case?

  63. Tobias

    right...I was planning to review that...might as well do it this evening, with other github PRs

  64. Tobias

    Dave Cridland, it was just that the trello card mentioned Link Mauve https://trello.com/c/IUXIWOdC/170-https-mail-jabber-org-pipermail-standards-2017-february-032328-html

  65. Dave Cridland

    Fairy Nuff.

  66. SamWhited

    I think Link Mauve was going to come up with a general deprecation policy / audit existing usages

  67. Dave Cridland

    That would be useful.

  68. Tobias

    so nothing actionable for us here it seems, other than reviewing Jonas' XEP

  69. Tobias

    4) IEEE IoT https://trello.com/c/5SHoH80M/171-ieee-iot

  70. Tobias

    Dave Cridland, you suggested we appoint a liason as a first step?

  71. SamWhited

    I sent out an email; no response.

  72. Dave Cridland


  73. Dave Cridland

    SamWhited, I totally missed that.

  74. Tobias

    SamWhited, yeah...just read it, haven't replied to it yet

  75. Tobias

    maybe the council should have a meeting together with our IoT SIG?

  76. Dave Cridland

    That sounds sane.

  77. SamWhited

    I would prefer to not be a part of that, but will be there if people feel strongly that we should.

  78. Dave Cridland

    I was thinking a formal liaison because most SDOs - like IEEE and ITU, as well as IETF - actually have processes for these.

  79. Tobias

    Dave Cridland, do we (XSF) have processes for that?

  80. Dave Cridland

    So they can be allowed into all the meetings, etc.

  81. Dave Cridland

    Tobias, Yes, sorta. Council picks a person, Board ratifies, and "it happens". Somehow.

  82. Dave Cridland

    Tobias, Undocumented process, probably. But we needed it for ... erm, something. UPnP, I think.

  83. Tobias

    didn't we vote on that already?

  84. Tobias

    probably confusing that with something else, can't find it in my mail

  85. Dave Cridland

    A Liaison to IEEE's IoT group? Not that I know of.

  86. Tobias

    but yeah, I will talk with the people from our IoT SIG about that

  87. Tobias

    also will reply to Sam's mail later today

  88. Tobias

    5) AOB

  89. Tobias

    There are still outstanding votes for some things

  90. SamWhited

    Editor hat reminder about outstanding votes

  91. SamWhited

    Yah, that. Tobias ++

  92. Dave Cridland

    Probably lots of mine. I'll look.

  93. Tobias

    yeah...have a look at trello https://trello.com/b/ww7zWMlI/xmpp-council-agenda , reply to the corresponding meeting minutes with your votes, ta

  94. Tobias

    further AOB from anyone?

  95. SamWhited

    I've lost track of what's in LC and what ends when again; I'll ping ralph and try to get a trello again during the board meeting.

  96. SamWhited

    And then try to clean that up.

  97. Dave Cridland

    Only that implementing MIX is suggesting it's not nearly as complete as we might have hoped. :-/

  98. Tobias

    Dave Cridland, well..p1 implemented it too, not?

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  100. Dave Cridland

    Tobias, They implementing grouchat over pubsub; not quite the same thing.

  101. Tobias

    misread mikael mail then probably

  102. Tobias

    seems there's no further AOB

  103. Tobias

    6) Date of next

  104. Tobias

    same day of week, next week, same time of day

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  106. Dave Cridland

    Sounds good.

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  108. Tobias


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  110. Dave Cridland

    Although if Wednesday is causing problems, I'm open to changes.

  111. Tobias

    thanks everybody

  112. Tobias

    Dave Cridland, please reply to my upcoming meeting minutes with more ideal alternatives and we'll see what works for everybody

  113. Dave Cridland

    Wednesday is fine for me.

  114. Kev

    Haven't followed the meeting, but: > Only that implementing MIX is suggesting it's not nearly as complete as we might have hoped. :-/ This is why we have experimental, and why I've been keen people try to implement it because I wasn't at all convinced we'd solve everything spec-only.

  115. Dave Cridland

    Oh, it's not unexpected.

  116. Kev

    I've not read the list post yet either, but I'm not at all surprised to find things that are incomplete, or just outright stupid or wrong.

  117. Tobias

    na...it's now implemented everywhere, we can't change it anymore. Let's move it to draft, nah..it has issues that should be fixed first....

  118. Dave Cridland

    Just I'd been honestly thinking we were much closer than we actually are. My misinterpretation.

  119. Dave Cridland

    We have, though, switched from using MUC in our app to using MIX.

  120. Kev

    I thought we were close.

  121. Kev

    I still do, although I might change my mind once I've seen your mail.

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  123. Dave Cridland

    I thought we were close until I saw Steve's reply...

  124. Kev

    I've not reviewed the spec in months. It might be approaching the point I need to, but it's grown somewhat in length beyond what I expected to be necessary and I'm struggling to find the multiple days I need!

  125. Dave Cridland

    Well, this is more or less where we are as well - hence we're reviewing by tripping over things as we come to them.

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  127. Kev

    I truly thought I was going to get to write some code today. But nope, now I need to catch up on this. *sigh*

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