I think Link Mauve is planning to do a review and come up with a migration plan. Any news on that?
Dave Cridland
Tobias, I thought Jonas had come up with a replacement XEP-0115 that solves all these things, at least in this case?
Tobias
right...I was planning to review that...might as well do it this evening, with other github PRs
Tobias
Dave Cridland, it was just that the trello card mentioned Link Mauve https://trello.com/c/IUXIWOdC/170-https-mail-jabber-org-pipermail-standards-2017-february-032328-html
Dave Cridland
Fairy Nuff.
SamWhited
I think Link Mauve was going to come up with a general deprecation policy / audit existing usages
Dave Cridland
That would be useful.
Tobias
so nothing actionable for us here it seems, other than reviewing Jonas' XEP
Dave Cridland, you suggested we appoint a liason as a first step?
SamWhited
I sent out an email; no response.
Dave Cridland
Yeah...
Dave Cridland
SamWhited, I totally missed that.
Tobias
SamWhited, yeah...just read it, haven't replied to it yet
Tobias
maybe the council should have a meeting together with our IoT SIG?
Dave Cridland
That sounds sane.
SamWhited
I would prefer to not be a part of that, but will be there if people feel strongly that we should.
Dave Cridland
I was thinking a formal liaison because most SDOs - like IEEE and ITU, as well as IETF - actually have processes for these.
Tobias
Dave Cridland, do we (XSF) have processes for that?
Dave Cridland
So they can be allowed into all the meetings, etc.
Dave Cridland
Tobias, Yes, sorta. Council picks a person, Board ratifies, and "it happens". Somehow.
Dave Cridland
Tobias, Undocumented process, probably. But we needed it for ... erm, something. UPnP, I think.
Tobias
didn't we vote on that already?
Tobias
probably confusing that with something else, can't find it in my mail
Dave Cridland
A Liaison to IEEE's IoT group? Not that I know of.
Tobias
but yeah, I will talk with the people from our IoT SIG about that
Tobias
also will reply to Sam's mail later today
Tobias
5) AOB
Tobias
There are still outstanding votes for some things
SamWhited
Editor hat reminder about outstanding votes
SamWhited
Yah, that. Tobias ++
Dave Cridland
Probably lots of mine. I'll look.
Tobias
yeah...have a look at trello https://trello.com/b/ww7zWMlI/xmpp-council-agenda , reply to the corresponding meeting minutes with your votes, ta
Tobias
further AOB from anyone?
SamWhited
I've lost track of what's in LC and what ends when again; I'll ping ralph and try to get a trello again during the board meeting.
SamWhited
And then try to clean that up.
Dave Cridland
Only that implementing MIX is suggesting it's not nearly as complete as we might have hoped. :-/
Tobias
Dave Cridland, well..p1 implemented it too, not?
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Dave Cridland
Tobias, They implementing grouchat over pubsub; not quite the same thing.
Tobias
misread mikael mail then probably
Tobias
seems there's no further AOB
Tobias
6) Date of next
Tobias
same day of week, next week, same time of day
Tobias
?
Dave Cridland
Sounds good.
SamWhited
WFM
Tobias
great
Tobiasbangs the gavel
Dave Cridland
Although if Wednesday is causing problems, I'm open to changes.
Tobias
thanks everybody
Tobias
Dave Cridland, please reply to my upcoming meeting minutes with more ideal alternatives and we'll see what works for everybody
Dave Cridland
Wednesday is fine for me.
Kev
Haven't followed the meeting, but:
> Only that implementing MIX is suggesting it's not nearly as complete as we might have hoped. :-/
This is why we have experimental, and why I've been keen people try to implement it because I wasn't at all convinced we'd solve everything spec-only.
Dave Cridland
Oh, it's not unexpected.
Kev
I've not read the list post yet either, but I'm not at all surprised to find things that are incomplete, or just outright stupid or wrong.
Tobias
na...it's now implemented everywhere, we can't change it anymore. Let's move it to draft, nah..it has issues that should be fixed first....
Dave Cridland
Just I'd been honestly thinking we were much closer than we actually are. My misinterpretation.
Dave Cridland
We have, though, switched from using MUC in our app to using MIX.
Kev
I thought we were close.
Kev
I still do, although I might change my mind once I've seen your mail.
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Dave Cridland
I thought we were close until I saw Steve's reply...
Kev
I've not reviewed the spec in months. It might be approaching the point I need to, but it's grown somewhat in length beyond what I expected to be necessary and I'm struggling to find the multiple days I need!
Dave Cridland
Well, this is more or less where we are as well - hence we're reviewing by tripping over things as we come to them.
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Kev
I truly thought I was going to get to write some code today. But nope, now I need to catch up on this. *sigh*