XMPP Council - 2017-03-15

FYI: I have a meeting that got rescheduled for 1630z today, so I might dissapear half way through the council meeting or somewhere thereabouts.

I won't make it today

ok..thanks for letting us know

sounds it's about time

1) roll call

here

Dave Cridland, Link Mauve?

hmm..let's see if we can be more than two people for our meeting today :)

I am here, sorry

Just finishing off a phone call. Blame Phil.

oki doki

2) Minute taker

I can write up minutes for today

3) https://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/standards/2017-February/032328.html

I think Link Mauve is planning to do a review and come up with a migration plan. Any news on that?

Tobias, I thought Jonas had come up with a replacement XEP-0115 that solves all these things, at least in this case?

right...I was planning to review that...might as well do it this evening, with other github PRs

Dave Cridland, it was just that the trello card mentioned Link Mauve https://trello.com/c/IUXIWOdC/170-https-mail-jabber-org-pipermail-standards-2017-february-032328-html

Fairy Nuff.

I think Link Mauve was going to come up with a general deprecation policy / audit existing usages

That would be useful.

so nothing actionable for us here it seems, other than reviewing Jonas' XEP

4) IEEE IoT https://trello.com/c/5SHoH80M/171-ieee-iot

Dave Cridland, you suggested we appoint a liason as a first step?

I sent out an email; no response.

Yeah...

SamWhited, I totally missed that.

SamWhited, yeah...just read it, haven't replied to it yet

maybe the council should have a meeting together with our IoT SIG?

That sounds sane.

I would prefer to not be a part of that, but will be there if people feel strongly that we should.

I was thinking a formal liaison because most SDOs - like IEEE and ITU, as well as IETF - actually have processes for these.

Dave Cridland, do we (XSF) have processes for that?

So they can be allowed into all the meetings, etc.

Tobias, Yes, sorta. Council picks a person, Board ratifies, and "it happens". Somehow.

Tobias, Undocumented process, probably. But we needed it for ... erm, something. UPnP, I think.

didn't we vote on that already?

probably confusing that with something else, can't find it in my mail

A Liaison to IEEE's IoT group? Not that I know of.

but yeah, I will talk with the people from our IoT SIG about that

also will reply to Sam's mail later today

5) AOB

There are still outstanding votes for some things

Editor hat reminder about outstanding votes

Yah, that. Tobias ++

Probably lots of mine. I'll look.

yeah...have a look at trello https://trello.com/b/ww7zWMlI/xmpp-council-agenda , reply to the corresponding meeting minutes with your votes, ta

further AOB from anyone?

I've lost track of what's in LC and what ends when again; I'll ping ralph and try to get a trello again during the board meeting.

And then try to clean that up.

Only that implementing MIX is suggesting it's not nearly as complete as we might have hoped. :-/

Dave Cridland, well..p1 implemented it too, not?

Tobias, They implementing grouchat over pubsub; not quite the same thing.

misread mikael mail then probably

seems there's no further AOB

6) Date of next

same day of week, next week, same time of day

?

Sounds good.

WFM

great

Although if Wednesday is causing problems, I'm open to changes.

thanks everybody

Dave Cridland, please reply to my upcoming meeting minutes with more ideal alternatives and we'll see what works for everybody

Wednesday is fine for me.

Haven't followed the meeting, but: > Only that implementing MIX is suggesting it's not nearly as complete as we might have hoped. :-/ This is why we have experimental, and why I've been keen people try to implement it because I wasn't at all convinced we'd solve everything spec-only.

Oh, it's not unexpected.

I've not read the list post yet either, but I'm not at all surprised to find things that are incomplete, or just outright stupid or wrong.

na...it's now implemented everywhere, we can't change it anymore. Let's move it to draft, nah..it has issues that should be fixed first....

Just I'd been honestly thinking we were much closer than we actually are. My misinterpretation.

We have, though, switched from using MUC in our app to using MIX.

I thought we were close.

I still do, although I might change my mind once I've seen your mail.

I thought we were close until I saw Steve's reply...

I've not reviewed the spec in months. It might be approaching the point I need to, but it's grown somewhat in length beyond what I expected to be necessary and I'm struggling to find the multiple days I need!

Well, this is more or less where we are as well - hence we're reviewing by tripping over things as we come to them.

I truly thought I was going to get to write some code today. But nope, now I need to catch up on this. *sigh*