SamWhitedFYI: I have a meeting that got rescheduled for 1630z today, so I might dissapear half way through the council meeting or somewhere thereabouts.
danielI won't make it today
Tobiasok..thanks for letting us know
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Tobiassounds it's about time
Tobias1) roll call
SamWhitedhere
TobiasDave Cridland, Link Mauve?
Tobiashmm..let's see if we can be more than two people for our meeting today :)
Tobiasplays jeopardy jingle
Dave CridlandI am here, sorry
Dave CridlandJust finishing off a phone call. Blame Phil.
TobiasI think Link Mauve is planning to do a review and come up with a migration plan. Any news on that?
Dave CridlandTobias, I thought Jonas had come up with a replacement XEP-0115 that solves all these things, at least in this case?
Tobiasright...I was planning to review that...might as well do it this evening, with other github PRs
TobiasDave Cridland, it was just that the trello card mentioned Link Mauve https://trello.com/c/IUXIWOdC/170-https-mail-jabber-org-pipermail-standards-2017-february-032328-html
Dave CridlandFairy Nuff.
SamWhitedI think Link Mauve was going to come up with a general deprecation policy / audit existing usages
Dave CridlandThat would be useful.
Tobiasso nothing actionable for us here it seems, other than reviewing Jonas' XEP
TobiasDave Cridland, you suggested we appoint a liason as a first step?
SamWhitedI sent out an email; no response.
Dave CridlandYeah...
Dave CridlandSamWhited, I totally missed that.
TobiasSamWhited, yeah...just read it, haven't replied to it yet
Tobiasmaybe the council should have a meeting together with our IoT SIG?
Dave CridlandThat sounds sane.
SamWhitedI would prefer to not be a part of that, but will be there if people feel strongly that we should.
Dave CridlandI was thinking a formal liaison because most SDOs - like IEEE and ITU, as well as IETF - actually have processes for these.
TobiasDave Cridland, do we (XSF) have processes for that?
Dave CridlandSo they can be allowed into all the meetings, etc.
Dave CridlandTobias, Yes, sorta. Council picks a person, Board ratifies, and "it happens". Somehow.
Dave CridlandTobias, Undocumented process, probably. But we needed it for ... erm, something. UPnP, I think.
Tobiasdidn't we vote on that already?
Tobiasprobably confusing that with something else, can't find it in my mail
Dave CridlandA Liaison to IEEE's IoT group? Not that I know of.
Tobiasbut yeah, I will talk with the people from our IoT SIG about that
Tobiasalso will reply to Sam's mail later today
Tobias5) AOB
TobiasThere are still outstanding votes for some things
SamWhitedEditor hat reminder about outstanding votes
SamWhitedYah, that. Tobias ++
Dave CridlandProbably lots of mine. I'll look.
Tobiasyeah...have a look at trello https://trello.com/b/ww7zWMlI/xmpp-council-agenda , reply to the corresponding meeting minutes with your votes, ta
Tobiasfurther AOB from anyone?
SamWhitedI've lost track of what's in LC and what ends when again; I'll ping ralph and try to get a trello again during the board meeting.
SamWhitedAnd then try to clean that up.
Dave CridlandOnly that implementing MIX is suggesting it's not nearly as complete as we might have hoped. :-/
TobiasDave Cridland, well..p1 implemented it too, not?
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Dave CridlandTobias, They implementing grouchat over pubsub; not quite the same thing.
Tobiasmisread mikael mail then probably
Tobiasseems there's no further AOB
Tobias6) Date of next
Tobiassame day of week, next week, same time of day
Tobias?
Dave CridlandSounds good.
SamWhitedWFM
Tobiasgreat
Tobiasbangs the gavel
Dave CridlandAlthough if Wednesday is causing problems, I'm open to changes.
Tobiasthanks everybody
TobiasDave Cridland, please reply to my upcoming meeting minutes with more ideal alternatives and we'll see what works for everybody
Dave CridlandWednesday is fine for me.
KevHaven't followed the meeting, but:
> Only that implementing MIX is suggesting it's not nearly as complete as we might have hoped. :-/
This is why we have experimental, and why I've been keen people try to implement it because I wasn't at all convinced we'd solve everything spec-only.
Dave CridlandOh, it's not unexpected.
KevI've not read the list post yet either, but I'm not at all surprised to find things that are incomplete, or just outright stupid or wrong.
Tobiasna...it's now implemented everywhere, we can't change it anymore. Let's move it to draft, nah..it has issues that should be fixed first....
Dave CridlandJust I'd been honestly thinking we were much closer than we actually are. My misinterpretation.
Dave CridlandWe have, though, switched from using MUC in our app to using MIX.
KevI thought we were close.
KevI still do, although I might change my mind once I've seen your mail.
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Dave CridlandI thought we were close until I saw Steve's reply...
KevI've not reviewed the spec in months. It might be approaching the point I need to, but it's grown somewhat in length beyond what I expected to be necessary and I'm struggling to find the multiple days I need!
Dave CridlandWell, this is more or less where we are as well - hence we're reviewing by tripping over things as we come to them.
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KevI truly thought I was going to get to write some code today. But nope, now I need to catch up on this. *sigh*
XMPP Council - 2017-03-15