XMPP Council - 2017-11-01

It’s about time.

daniel, SamWhited, dwd, ping.

1) Roll call

Seems like there is no quorum yet. :(

Ah. TZ shift.

Here but on phone

And in PST today :)

This time won't work for me I'm afraid, I have a regular meeting at this time.

This meeting has always been defined in UTC. :)

dwd, oh, should we shift it some other place?

Or maybe leave that decision to the next council?

Council minutes have always (in the past) been defined in terms of UK time.

For this reason :)

Kev, for the entire term we’ve decided to do UTC.

But we can choose to postpone it by one hour, it will conflict with board but that might be better, if we are only two.

That's why I said "in the past".

I'm happy to postpone by one hour

Let’s do that then.

I forgot that I have a meeting at the time we rescheduled for. Should be a quick one and I can passively follow in the beginning though.

Ok so, let’s start?

1) Roll call

dwd, SamWhited, daniel.

partially here

will be fully here shortly

i'm here

Great, we have quorum then!

2) Minute taker, anyone?

o/

Thanks jcbrand. :)

Here, sorry.

3) 0146 is still marked as active.

Should we ping editor to fix that?

I looked for the meeting in which we voted for it, but couldn’t find it.

It was in a weird place on the editors trello, I moved it to the right column

so it probably just didn't show up

that explains probably

Oh.

Thanks then.

4) The MAM LC has ended, should we do anything about it?

From what I’ve seen, the main criticism has been the policy section.

LC has ended already? I meant to respond to that.

I find the suggestion to move it into a separate informational XEP quite fair, but probably won’t have any time soon to do it myself.

Kev, it said the 30th.

Me too

extend it?

(Btw, I find this two weeks period way too short in general.)

Two weeks seems fine as a starting point, but this is a big one, a one week extension (and then we can reconsider again) seems reasonable.

Nothing says it has to only be 2 week.

Just that it's never allowed to be less than that.

At least IIRC.

Oh, so when Editor sends the email it can possibly be longer than that already?

I don’t see a reason why not

It can be as long as 'we' want, I think, yes.

So, 5) vote on extending the MAM LC of one week.

+1

make it 2 more weeks

give me an end date :)

I’m also fine with two weeks, still +1.

(2017-11-15 maybe?)

either way seems fine to me; do we expect to get lots more feedback other than kev and zash?

(WFM)

because "two weeks" is ambiguous: two weeks from now, or two weeks from the original end?

SamWhited, it is a widely deployed XEP. we can *hope* for more feedback

+1 for november 15th

dwd, ^

WFM +1

Alright, I’ll assume the other two will vote on list.

6) AOB?

at least two other last calls ended

Do we even need a full vote to extend a LC? That just seems like something the editor can do

jonasw, oh, I missed them too then. :x

XEP-0286 and XEP-0352, oh and XEP-0387

although I note that XEP-0286 has an invalid end date

it should’ve been 2017-11-03

so that hasn’t ended yet

Shall we vote on those?

"If necessary, the XMPP Extensions Editor may, at his discretion and in consultation with the Approving Body, extend the Last Call or issue a new Last Call if the XEP requires further discussion. "

These three have had exactly no feedback during LC. :/ ✏

Great, so Editor, consider having had our agreement.

I'll send some feedback on all of these anyway, so we might generate a discussion then.

Link Mauve, k, will do that soon

Let's let the editor extend those too then

Seems sensible.

And yes, extend all the LCs.

all to 2017-11-15?

Seems fine.

sure

6-bis) AOB?

I’ll take that as a no.

7) Date of next

2017-11-08T15:00:00Z as it’s been for the past year?

Hmm no, we should move one hour later to accomodate dwd, 16:00Z?

Well, it would place it at the same local time it's been for most of the year for everyone.

I have a meeting at that time, but it's normally just a quick standup so that WFM

SamWhited, Which time?

dwd, all of my meetings got moved one hour earlier this week, so I assumed it was the case for everyone else.

Ok, so 16:00Z next week, as it has been somewhat fine for almost one year.

✏

Thanks everyone!

BTW, I don't have access to the editors trello board. jonasw: could you help?

jcbrand, I’m not sure. Your trello name is? ( SamWhited or Kev should definitely be able to help)

jcbrand

jcbrand: added you, sorry, I thought I got both of you

Thanks SamWhited :)

I do not have the power to add you to the XSF team though; not sure if it matters.

2017-11-15 wasn’t a clever choice.

it’s the day of the council meeting

oops

but we could define "close of business" as "beginning of the council meeting" and call it a day :)

sounds reasonable

council may clarify that on-list as appropriate, I’m just gonna write "until 2017-11-15" in the emails, leaving it vague.

yah, doesn't matter all that much

We can make it work.

sent the emails, the XEPs themselves should update soon-ish