dwdThis time won't work for me I'm afraid, I have a regular meeting at this time.
Link MauveThis meeting has always been defined in UTC. :)
Link Mauvedwd, oh, should we shift it some other place?
Link MauveOr maybe leave that decision to the next council?
KevCouncil minutes have always (in the past) been defined in terms of UK time.
KevFor this reason :)
Link MauveKev, for the entire term we’ve decided to do UTC.
Link MauveBut we can choose to postpone it by one hour, it will conflict with board but that might be better, if we are only two.
KevThat's why I said "in the past".
SamWhitedI'm happy to postpone by one hour
Link MauveLet’s do that then.
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SamWhitedI forgot that I have a meeting at the time we rescheduled for. Should be a quick one and I can passively follow in the beginning though.
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Link MauveOk so, let’s start?
Link Mauve1) Roll call
Link Mauvedwd, SamWhited, daniel.
SamWhitedpartially here
SamWhitedwill be fully here shortly
danieli'm here
Link MauveGreat, we have quorum then!
Link Mauve2) Minute taker, anyone?
jcbrando/
Link MauveThanks jcbrand. :)
dwdHere, sorry.
Link Mauve3) 0146 is still marked as active.
Link MauveShould we ping editor to fix that?
Link MauveI looked for the meeting in which we voted for it, but couldn’t find it.
jonaswscratches head
SamWhitedIt was in a weird place on the editors trello, I moved it to the right column
SamWhitedso it probably just didn't show up
jonaswthat explains probably
Link MauveOh.
Link MauveThanks then.
Link Mauve4) The MAM LC has ended, should we do anything about it?
Link MauveFrom what I’ve seen, the main criticism has been the policy section.
KevLC has ended already? I meant to respond to that.
Link MauveI find the suggestion to move it into a separate informational XEP quite fair, but probably won’t have any time soon to do it myself.
Link MauveKev, it said the 30th.
ZashMe too
jonaswextend it?
Link Mauve(Btw, I find this two weeks period way too short in general.)
SamWhitedTwo weeks seems fine as a starting point, but this is a big one, a one week extension (and then we can reconsider again) seems reasonable.
KevNothing says it has to only be 2 week.
KevJust that it's never allowed to be less than that.
KevAt least IIRC.
Link MauveOh, so when Editor sends the email it can possibly be longer than that already?
jonaswI don’t see a reason why not
KevIt can be as long as 'we' want, I think, yes.
Link MauveSo, 5) vote on extending the MAM LC of one week.
Link Mauve+1
danielmake it 2 more weeks
jonaswgive me an end date :)
Link MauveI’m also fine with two weeks, still +1.
jonasw(2017-11-15 maybe?)
SamWhitedeither way seems fine to me; do we expect to get lots more feedback other than kev and zash?
Link Mauve(WFM)
jonaswbecause "two weeks" is ambiguous: two weeks from now, or two weeks from the original end?
daniel SamWhited, it is a widely deployed XEP. we can *hope* for more feedback
daniel+1 for november 15th
Link Mauvedwd, ^
SamWhitedWFM +1
Link MauveAlright, I’ll assume the other two will vote on list.
Link Mauve6) AOB?
jonaswat least two other last calls ended
SamWhitedDo we even need a full vote to extend a LC? That just seems like something the editor can do
Link Mauvejonasw, oh, I missed them too then. :x
jonaswXEP-0286 and XEP-0352, oh and XEP-0387
jonaswalthough I note that XEP-0286 has an invalid end date
jonaswit should’ve been 2017-11-03
jonaswso that hasn’t ended yet
SamWhitedShall we vote on those?
Link MauveTwo of these have had exactly no feedback. :/
Kev"If necessary, the XMPP Extensions Editor may, at his discretion and in consultation with the Approving Body, extend the Last Call or issue a new Last Call if the XEP requires further discussion.
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Link MauveThese three have had exactly no feedback during LC. :/
Link MauveGreat, so Editor, consider having had our agreement.
dwdI'll send some feedback on all of these anyway, so we might generate a discussion then.
jonaswLink Mauve, k, will do that soon
SamWhitedLet's let the editor extend those too then
Link MauveSeems sensible.
dwdAnd yes, extend all the LCs.
jonaswall to 2017-11-15?
Link MauveSeems fine.
SamWhitedsure
Link Mauve6-bis) AOB?
Link MauveI’ll take that as a no.
Link Mauve7) Date of next
Link Mauve2017-11-08T15:00:00Z as it’s been for the past year?
Link MauveHmm no, we should move one hour later to accomodate dwd, 16:00Z?
dwdWell, it would place it at the same local time it's been for most of the year for everyone.
SamWhitedI have a meeting at that time, but it's normally just a quick standup so that WFM
dwdSamWhited, Which time?
Link Mauvedwd, all of my meetings got moved one hour earlier this week, so I assumed it was the case for everyone else.
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Link MauveOk, so 16:00Z next week, as it has been somewhat fine for almost one year.
Link Mauvebangs the gravel
Link Mauvebangs the gravel.
Link MauveThanks everyone!
jcbrandBTW, I don't have access to the editors trello board. jonasw: could you help?
jonaswjcbrand, I’m not sure. Your trello name is? ( SamWhited or Kev should definitely be able to help)
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SamWhitedjcbrand: added you, sorry, I thought I got both of you
jcbrandThanks SamWhited :)
SamWhitedI do not have the power to add you to the XSF team though; not sure if it matters.
jonasw2017-11-15 wasn’t a clever choice.
jonaswit’s the day of the council meeting
jcbrandoops
jonaswbut we could define "close of business" as "beginning of the council meeting" and call it a day :)
jcbrandsounds reasonable
jonaswcouncil may clarify that on-list as appropriate, I’m just gonna write "until 2017-11-15" in the emails, leaving it vague.
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SamWhitedyah, doesn't matter all that much
SamWhitedWe can make it work.
jonaswsent the emails, the XEPs themselves should update soon-ish
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