XMPP Council - 2017-11-01

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  109. Link Mauve It’s about time.
  110. Link Mauve daniel, SamWhited, dwd, ping.
  111. Link Mauve 1) Roll call
  112. Link Mauve Seems like there is no quorum yet. :(
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  114. dwd Ah. TZ shift.
  115. SamWhited Here but on phone
  116. SamWhited And in PST today :)
  117. dwd This time won't work for me I'm afraid, I have a regular meeting at this time.
  118. Link Mauve This meeting has always been defined in UTC. :)
  119. Link Mauve dwd, oh, should we shift it some other place?
  120. Link Mauve Or maybe leave that decision to the next council?
  121. Kev Council minutes have always (in the past) been defined in terms of UK time.
  122. Kev For this reason :)
  123. Link Mauve Kev, for the entire term we’ve decided to do UTC.
  124. Link Mauve But we can choose to postpone it by one hour, it will conflict with board but that might be better, if we are only two.
  125. Kev That's why I said "in the past".
  126. SamWhited I'm happy to postpone by one hour
  127. Link Mauve Let’s do that then.
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  132. SamWhited I forgot that I have a meeting at the time we rescheduled for. Should be a quick one and I can passively follow in the beginning though.
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  134. Link Mauve Ok so, let’s start?
  135. Link Mauve 1) Roll call
  136. Link Mauve dwd, SamWhited, daniel.
  137. SamWhited partially here
  138. SamWhited will be fully here shortly
  139. daniel i'm here
  140. Link Mauve Great, we have quorum then!
  141. Link Mauve 2) Minute taker, anyone?
  142. jcbrand o/
  143. Link Mauve Thanks jcbrand. :)
  144. dwd Here, sorry.
  145. Link Mauve 3) 0146 is still marked as active.
  146. Link Mauve Should we ping editor to fix that?
  147. Link Mauve I looked for the meeting in which we voted for it, but couldn’t find it.
  148. jonasw scratches head
  149. SamWhited It was in a weird place on the editors trello, I moved it to the right column
  150. SamWhited so it probably just didn't show up
  151. jonasw that explains probably
  152. Link Mauve Oh.
  153. Link Mauve Thanks then.
  154. Link Mauve 4) The MAM LC has ended, should we do anything about it?
  155. Link Mauve From what I’ve seen, the main criticism has been the policy section.
  156. Kev LC has ended already? I meant to respond to that.
  157. Link Mauve I find the suggestion to move it into a separate informational XEP quite fair, but probably won’t have any time soon to do it myself.
  158. Link Mauve Kev, it said the 30th.
  159. Zash Me too
  160. jonasw extend it?
  161. Link Mauve (Btw, I find this two weeks period way too short in general.)
  162. SamWhited Two weeks seems fine as a starting point, but this is a big one, a one week extension (and then we can reconsider again) seems reasonable.
  163. Kev Nothing says it has to only be 2 week.
  164. Kev Just that it's never allowed to be less than that.
  165. Kev At least IIRC.
  166. Link Mauve Oh, so when Editor sends the email it can possibly be longer than that already?
  167. jonasw I don’t see a reason why not
  168. Kev It can be as long as 'we' want, I think, yes.
  169. Link Mauve So, 5) vote on extending the MAM LC of one week.
  170. Link Mauve +1
  171. daniel make it 2 more weeks
  172. jonasw give me an end date :)
  173. Link Mauve I’m also fine with two weeks, still +1.
  174. jonasw (2017-11-15 maybe?)
  175. SamWhited either way seems fine to me; do we expect to get lots more feedback other than kev and zash?
  176. Link Mauve (WFM)
  177. jonasw because "two weeks" is ambiguous: two weeks from now, or two weeks from the original end?
  178. daniel SamWhited, it is a widely deployed XEP. we can *hope* for more feedback
  179. daniel +1 for november 15th
  180. Link Mauve dwd, ^
  181. SamWhited WFM +1
  182. Link Mauve Alright, I’ll assume the other two will vote on list.
  183. Link Mauve 6) AOB?
  184. jonasw at least two other last calls ended
  185. SamWhited Do we even need a full vote to extend a LC? That just seems like something the editor can do
  186. Link Mauve jonasw, oh, I missed them too then. :x
  187. jonasw XEP-0286 and XEP-0352, oh and XEP-0387
  188. jonasw although I note that XEP-0286 has an invalid end date
  189. jonasw it should’ve been 2017-11-03
  190. jonasw so that hasn’t ended yet
  191. SamWhited Shall we vote on those?
  192. Link Mauve Two of these have had exactly no feedback. :/
  193. Kev "If necessary, the XMPP Extensions Editor may, at his discretion and in consultation with the Approving Body, extend the Last Call or issue a new Last Call if the XEP requires further discussion. "
  194. Link Mauve These three have had exactly no feedback during LC. :/
  195. Link Mauve Great, so Editor, consider having had our agreement.
  196. dwd I'll send some feedback on all of these anyway, so we might generate a discussion then.
  197. jonasw Link Mauve, k, will do that soon
  198. SamWhited Let's let the editor extend those too then
  199. Link Mauve Seems sensible.
  200. dwd And yes, extend all the LCs.
  201. jonasw all to 2017-11-15?
  202. Link Mauve Seems fine.
  203. SamWhited sure
  204. Link Mauve 6-bis) AOB?
  205. Link Mauve I’ll take that as a no.
  206. Link Mauve 7) Date of next
  207. Link Mauve 2017-11-08T15:00:00Z as it’s been for the past year?
  208. Link Mauve Hmm no, we should move one hour later to accomodate dwd, 16:00Z?
  209. dwd Well, it would place it at the same local time it's been for most of the year for everyone.
  210. SamWhited I have a meeting at that time, but it's normally just a quick standup so that WFM
  211. dwd SamWhited, Which time?
  212. Link Mauve dwd, all of my meetings got moved one hour earlier this week, so I assumed it was the case for everyone else.
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  214. Link Mauve Ok, so 16:00Z next week, as it has been somewhat fine for almost one year.
  215. Link Mauve bangs the gravel
  216. Link Mauve bangs the gravel.
  217. Link Mauve Thanks everyone!
  218. jcbrand BTW, I don't have access to the editors trello board. jonasw: could you help?
  219. jonasw jcbrand, I’m not sure. Your trello name is? ( SamWhited or Kev should definitely be able to help)
  220. jcbrand jcbrand
  221. SamWhited jcbrand: added you, sorry, I thought I got both of you
  222. jcbrand Thanks SamWhited :)
  223. SamWhited I do not have the power to add you to the XSF team though; not sure if it matters.
  224. jonasw 2017-11-15 wasn’t a clever choice.
  225. jonasw it’s the day of the council meeting
  226. jcbrand oops
  227. jonasw but we could define "close of business" as "beginning of the council meeting" and call it a day :)
  228. jcbrand sounds reasonable
  229. jonasw council may clarify that on-list as appropriate, I’m just gonna write "until 2017-11-15" in the emails, leaving it vague.
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  231. SamWhited yah, doesn't matter all that much
  232. SamWhited We can make it work.
  233. jonasw sent the emails, the XEPs themselves should update soon-ish
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