It's not perfect and I'm not 100% happy with the IBR extension format. But it's a pragmatic way forward
daniel
on list
Dave
I *think* IBR supports forms, in principle. Doesn't it?
Zash
Yes
Dave
So this should be using those. I'm assuming we can change that after we give it a number though.
Ge0rG
Dave: we don't want to use them because forms are a reaction to the inital IBR request from the client, not something initiated by the client
Dave
So despite that I'll +1.
Dave
Ge0rG, OK. But I suppose my point is that this is a problem we want to solve, and it'll be roughly this shape.
Ge0rG
Dave: yes.
Dave
SamWhited, ?
Dave
Oh, wait, I see you already said on-list.
Dave
4) I see XEP-0286 is on the agenda, this is pending a Last Call? Or has had a Last Call? Or what?
SamWhited
It has had a last call and I have been trying to get the council to vote on it for quite some time
Dave
OK, looks like Kev added it and I've been skipping it. Right, vote to advance, then?
SamWhited
+1
Ge0rG
It was last-called in November, and there was not much feedback. +1 from me
daniel
+1
Dave
+1.
Dave
So just waiting for Kev on list.
Ge0rG
Is there a network outage or are we literally waiting for Kev on list? :D
Dave
5) I have "Approve text change suggested last year to 48".
Dave
That's https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/554
Dave
Ge0rG, I'm frantically looking things up. :-)
Ge0rG
Dave: ah, nevermind then :
Ge0rG
:)
daniel
+1
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Dave
+1 on this change.
Ge0rG
+1
SamWhited
on list; I forgot about this one and am no longer sure how I feel about it.
Ge0rG
it's a pretty minor wording change, documenting the status quo
Dave
OK.
Dave
6) XEP-0060 changes.
Dave
So the first of these, the publish-options change[s] that Daniel has proposed, we went back to the list and got nothing. So I think at this point we just take the view of the Council.
Dave
My impression is that we're generally agreed on the third option?
SamWhited
Define 'third option'?
Dave
https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/554 <-- this one.
daniel
https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/557
Dave
Argh. copy/paste error.
Dave
557 indeed.
Ge0rG
+1 to #557, as apparently nobody in the wider community cares enough or understands the problem.
daniel: will you pull them back or do we need to vote them into oblivion?
daniel
i would like to revote on 555 in case 557 doesn't get approved
Dave
I'm happy with #557 too. I feel more comfortable implementing preconditions than I do overrides.
daniel
so i would rather you not -1 #555 before 557 gets approved
daniel
but yes
Ge0rG
Great!
Dave
7) XEP-0387
Dave
Given that Kev has pending comments and a PR here, I don't know whether a vote is worthwhile, but I'm happy to take one.
Dave
So I suppose I'm asking for a vote on advancement to Draft *without* applying Kev's outstanding PR (and therefore without addressing his comments).
daniel
+1
SamWhited
+1 (with the note that I will address Kev's concerns immediately in the 2019 ones which I will start as soon as we finally do something with the 2018 ones)
Ge0rG
+1 either with or without #569 applied. I want to get this resolved ASAP.
SamWhited
Also with the note that these do not have to cover everything; they just have to reasonably tell clients what they need to do to implement a modern client (but do not have to cover every single thing under the sun, just offer some basic guidance which we can always improve next year)
Ge0rG
One day, the compliance suite will be the Gold Standard for measuring client XMPPness.
Dave
I'm abstaining on this one. I don't understand why you're refusing to even discuss this feedback, and I very much doubt Kev will allow it through without, but I'll leave that decision to Kev.
Dave
8) Outstanding votes
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Dave
Ge0rG, I think you owe a vote on pep-vcard-conversion, and totp-2fa, and possibly others.
jonasw
Dave, did you get/process the email I sent you yesterday?
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Dave
daniel, You have totp-2fa and client-key outstanding.
daniel
ack
Ge0rG
Dave: I'm pretty sure I voted everything from last week some days ago
Dave
jonasw, Yes/no.
jonasw
Dave, okay
Ge0rG
Dave: sent to council@ on Sat, 13 Jan 2018 18:48:17 +0100
Dave
Ge0rG, Ah, mea culpa.
jonasw
hm, maybe vote publicly on standards@ instead?
Ge0rG
Dave: no offense taken.
jonasw
that’s how people’ve been doing it for a while now
Ge0rG
I wasn't sure.
Ge0rG
But I can bounce that mail over to standards@
Ge0rG
done.
Ge0rG
Dave: I'm interested in your feedback on my feedback on TOTP-2FA, but that doesn't need to happen within this meeting.
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Ge0rG
daniel: do you want another clarifying follow-up from me on PEP Avatar to vCard conversion?
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daniel
Ge0rG: my understanding is that we agreed on putting sensible access control in front of vCard and leave the xep as is. If that's wrong then please do respond on list
Ge0rG
daniel: that makes the new xep depend on a change to a historical XEP.
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Dave
Sorry, my broadband just dropped. Ooops.
Ge0rG
Dave: are you missing any history?
daniel
Ge0rG: I know. I still belive that vCard deserves that. And ultimately that's the right thing to do
Dave
Ge0rG, Nope. And yes, I'll respond to your comments.
daniel
If we want to keep using vCards at all that is
Dave
I think we're about done here anyway, sorry for the overrun and lack of agenda this week. Normal service resumed next week.
SamWhited
I'm not sure we should be messing with vcard anymore, but we can probably discuss afterwards unless this is critical to someones vote and it can't be done on list?
daniel
And looks like kev even wants to put it in the compliance suite
Dave
So:
Dave
9) Next Meeting
Dave
Same time next week?
SamWhited
WFM
Dave
Anyone missing?
Ge0rG
+1W WFM
daniel
Yes sorry. Postponing this until after the meeting
daniel
+1w wfm
Dave
10) AOB
Dave
Anyone?
daniel
Nope
Dave
11) Ite, Meeting Est
Dave
But feel ffree to continue chatting of course. I just don't want to minute it anymore. :-)