Ge0rGSorry for delaying the whole thing for a week, but now I have a less-worse feeling about it.
SamWhitedAh yes, thanks. Third in terms of GitHub ID, gotcha.
Ge0rGSo I suppose this implies -1 to #555 and #556?
daniel+1 to #557
danielGe0rG, those are mutually exclusive
Ge0rGdaniel: will you pull them back or do we need to vote them into oblivion?
danieli would like to revote on 555 in case 557 doesn't get approved
DaveI'm happy with #557 too. I feel more comfortable implementing preconditions than I do overrides.
danielso i would rather you not -1 #555 before 557 gets approved
DaveGiven that Kev has pending comments and a PR here, I don't know whether a vote is worthwhile, but I'm happy to take one.
DaveSo I suppose I'm asking for a vote on advancement to Draft *without* applying Kev's outstanding PR (and therefore without addressing his comments).
SamWhited+1 (with the note that I will address Kev's concerns immediately in the 2019 ones which I will start as soon as we finally do something with the 2018 ones)
Ge0rG+1 either with or without #569 applied. I want to get this resolved ASAP.
SamWhitedAlso with the note that these do not have to cover everything; they just have to reasonably tell clients what they need to do to implement a modern client (but do not have to cover every single thing under the sun, just offer some basic guidance which we can always improve next year)
Ge0rGOne day, the compliance suite will be the Gold Standard for measuring client XMPPness.
DaveI'm abstaining on this one. I don't understand why you're refusing to even discuss this feedback, and I very much doubt Kev will allow it through without, but I'll leave that decision to Kev.
Dave8) Outstanding votes
DaveGe0rG, I think you owe a vote on pep-vcard-conversion, and totp-2fa, and possibly others.
jonaswDave, did you get/process the email I sent you yesterday?
Davedaniel, You have totp-2fa and client-key outstanding.
Ge0rGDave: I'm pretty sure I voted everything from last week some days ago
Ge0rGDave: sent to council@ on Sat, 13 Jan 2018 18:48:17 +0100
DaveGe0rG, Ah, mea culpa.
jonaswhm, maybe vote publicly on standards@ instead?
Ge0rGDave: no offense taken.
jonaswthat’s how people’ve been doing it for a while now
Ge0rGI wasn't sure.
Ge0rGBut I can bounce that mail over to standards@
Ge0rGDave: I'm interested in your feedback on my feedback on TOTP-2FA, but that doesn't need to happen within this meeting.
Ge0rGdaniel: do you want another clarifying follow-up from me on PEP Avatar to vCard conversion?
danielGe0rG: my understanding is that we agreed on putting sensible access control in front of vCard and leave the xep as is. If that's wrong then please do respond on list
Ge0rGdaniel: that makes the new xep depend on a change to a historical XEP.
DaveSorry, my broadband just dropped. Ooops.
Ge0rGDave: are you missing any history?
danielGe0rG: I know. I still belive that vCard deserves that. And ultimately that's the right thing to do
DaveGe0rG, Nope. And yes, I'll respond to your comments.
danielIf we want to keep using vCards at all that is
DaveI think we're about done here anyway, sorry for the overrun and lack of agenda this week. Normal service resumed next week.
SamWhitedI'm not sure we should be messing with vcard anymore, but we can probably discuss afterwards unless this is critical to someones vote and it can't be done on list?
danielAnd looks like kev even wants to put it in the compliance suite
Dave9) Next Meeting
DaveSame time next week?
danielYes sorry. Postponing this until after the meeting
Dave11) Ite, Meeting Est
DaveBut feel ffree to continue chatting of course. I just don't want to minute it anymore. :-)