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Kev
Just 122 and 92 ending their CfE?
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Ge0rG
Is it this time of the week again?
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Dave
Hiya folks.
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Dave
So:
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Dave
a) I was off sick much fo the week (and in meetings solidly all day) so I failed to prepare an agenda.
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Dave
b) The meeting is at quarter past the hour (in about ten minutes).
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Dave
c) It is, AFAIK, just 122 and 92 for Advancement to Final, as far as I'm aware.
- SamWhited quickly goes to make a pot of coffee, but will be back in time hopefully
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Kev
Quarter past we agreed on.
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Kev
Ah, what Dave said.
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SamWhited
Oh, although, I wasn't sure yet at the time, but I am now working from home so I can do on the hour now if people would prefer.
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SamWhited
No more bus into the office at this time.
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Dave
Oh, that's good. I prefer on the hour - mostly because it's easier to block out the time.
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Kev
Same.
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Ge0rG
I'm indifferent to that
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Dave
So, shall we?
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Dave
Oh, thirty seconds early...
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Kev
Her.✎ -
Kev
Here. ✏
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Dave
1) Role Call:
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daniel
here
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SamWhited
o/
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Dave
Ge0rG, for the record?
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Ge0rG
🙋
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Dave
2) Minutes
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Dave
I'll do these this week.
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Dave
3) Agenda Bashing
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Dave
I think we just have the Advancement of XEP-0092 and XEP-0122, plus any outstanding votes from last week.
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Dave
Any objections to that?
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SamWhited
No objection
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Kev
Newp
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Ge0rG
Let's go
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Dave
4) XEP-0122: Data Forms Validation
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Dave
https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0122.html
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Kev
Following my review of this this morning, I kinda feel like it's close to being ready, but not quite.
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Dave
It's not actually clear to me it has the implementations. I know of only the one. Was another mentioned in the CFE?
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Kev
Twas, yes. Let me check my cfe folder
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daniel
another besides smacks?
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Ge0rG
Multiple, but I would have wished for more details than just the name of the software
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Kev
Smack. The one you mentioned. eyeCU/Vacuum-IM
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Ge0rG
> At least in [1]eyeCU and [2]Vacuum-IM.
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Dave
Ah, cool.
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Dave
Oh, the one I'm thinking of might actually just be using Smack then.
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SamWhited
This one seems too complicated to me, I wouldn't block it from going to final on those grounds I don't think, since it's not likely to get simpler, but I probably would never implement it.
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Kev
But looking at my comments, I suspected that the existing implementations are probably non-compliant because of a silly SHOULD in there.
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Kev
Incidentally, I think 'implemented in a library but not used in a project' likely shouldn't count as an implementation, for our purposes.
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SamWhited
Given the list discussion I'm with Kev: it's not ready yet.
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Dave
So I'm feeling like a 0 here. I wouldn't actively support its Advancement, but I wouldn't block.
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Dave
Anyone else with a vote?
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SamWhited
… wait for it… wait for it…
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SamWhited
I think we should deprecate it.
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Dave
SamWhited, I'm quite fiercly against that. Actively used, and it's seeing value. Besides, we're not voting on that. :-)
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daniel
I'm leaning towards +1
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daniel
probably clean up the thing Kev mentions
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Dave
Kev, Ge0rG SamWhited - votes, please.
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Kev
I think we should advance it, but I think it should have another edit pass first. At least we should confirm whether any of the implementations are actually compliant with the probably-daft SHOULD.
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SamWhited
-0
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Kev
So I'm -1 right now, noting that's a current-state rather than principle vote.
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Ge0rG
+0 because of what Kev said
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Ge0rG
I probably should ask Konstantin how exactly it is used in eyeCU
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Dave
5) XEP-0092: Software Version
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Dave
https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0092.html
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Kev
I'm not sure this has the implementations...
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Kev
+1
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Ge0rG
+1
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Dave
Kev, :-P
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Kev
(Letting Dave block himself for his security concern, which seems reasonable)
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SamWhited
+1, this one seems relatively straight forward and I know I've used it before and found it strictly "good enough"
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daniel
+1
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Dave
Indeed, I'm vetoing for security concerns. Interestingly, Matthew Miller told me that Cisco's implementation is very strict in how (and if) it responds.
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Dave
I'm guessing I'll need to do a patch myself with the wording, mind.
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jonasw
Dave, what would be needed to fix that? make <version/> etc. non-required?
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Ge0rG
wouldn't "if" violate the RFC?
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Dave
jonasw, No, just note that it might give sensitive information, so implementations might choose not to respond.
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jonasw
Dave, "not to respond" should be "respond with an error"
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Dave
Ge0rG, No, it responds with service-unavailable I assume.
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Ge0rG
Dave: that'd be sane
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moparisthebest
web servers usually let you set something custom there, or skip sending version
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moparisthebest
both of which could be done in existing XEP
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Dave
6) Outstanding Votes
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Dave
So, looking at the Spreadsheet Of Doom: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AZ-Sna6OiRG--b-mJMKv3XXfrn3Nehm0kAtlyJvImL0/edit
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Dave
daniel, Any votes here for last week's items?
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daniel
no will have to do that on list
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Dave
SamWhited, Ge0rG : I think you were unsure which, if any, of the XEP-0050 item to do?
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Dave
daniel, OK.
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SamWhited
I thought I had something, but my tab is empty so I still haven't done it, sorry about that.
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Dave
SamWhited, Always possible I missed something, I can check logs.
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Dave
7) AOB
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jonasw
Dave, sorry, I haven’t gotten around processing XEP-0050
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Dave
Anyone got anything?
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jonasw
no wait, I’m confusing that with the pubsub thing, nevermind
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Kev
Nope. I submitted IM-NG this afternoon, but it's not hit the inbox yet (only a few minutes ago)
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Ge0rG
Dave: I 'onlist'ed because Kev wanted to sort out the PRs.
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Dave
Kev, I was really hoping jonasw wouldn't get to that before the meeting.
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SamWhited
ahh, yah, I had the same things as Ge0rG
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Kev
I have yet to sort out the xep50 stuff.
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Dave
Right. Makes sense.
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Dave
Assuming no further AOB.
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Kev
But everyone was encouraged to go read and understand the issue.
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Dave
8) Next meeting
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Kev
15:00Z?
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Dave
1500UTC Next Wednesday?
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SamWhited
+1w - 15m WFM
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Kev
WFM
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Dave
Ge0rG, daniel - OK with you?
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daniel
yes
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Ge0rG
OK
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Dave
9) Ite, Meeting Est.
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Dave
Thanks all.
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Kev
You know, Jonas had merged IM-NG before the end of the meeting... :)
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jonasw
Kev, but it’s not on the website yet
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Kev
I know :)
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jonasw
that’ll take another hour
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jonasw
:)
- Zash cries over all the CPU cycles
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jonasw
Zash, rightfully so.
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guus.der.kinderen
Could someone adjust the calendar item for the council meetings please? It currently is scheduled for now.
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Zash
Timezones! DST! YAY!!!
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Dave
https://github.com/xsf/xeps/issues/616 by the way, jonasw.
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jonasw
Dave, <3
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jonasw
I’d merge the PR from JC before accepting the ProtoXEP if that’s fine with everyone?
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jonasw
that would address daniels concerns
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jonasw
cc @ Ge0rG, SamWhited, daniel, Kev
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Dave
jonasw, Whichever - he's an author so it can be done whenever's cnvenient.
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jonasw
Dave, I suspected that much
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Dave
jonasw, I suppose I'd marginally prefer to publish the original and then publish the change immediately afterward to maintain the history, but it's not a hill to die on.
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jonasw
Dave, I was thinking of doing that, but eliding the first email
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daniel
as long as we don’t publish and the forget about it i'm fine with both
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jonasw
so it’ll be NEW, but with 0.1.1
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jonasw
Dave, I don’t know how reliable github notifications are for you, so pinging you here too: https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/608/commits/e18bb0387c3c13fe776ff6c96189bf41a0f12e62
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jonasw
(updated my XEP-0223 PR)