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Dave
14:22:00
I've spent the last 24 hours, it seems in meetings (last one last night finished at 10pm), and I have more to go - I'm sadly going to miss this week again.
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Kev
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So, without Dave, who've we got?
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Ge0rG
!
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Kev
15:02:42
That's two. Anyone else?
jonasw
15:03:12
daniel, SamWhited?
daniel
15:03:26
I'm. Here
SamWhited
15:03:42
oops, partially here.
SamWhited
15:03:50
heading to my desk now.
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Not that we have agenda, but, you know, quorum :)
Kev
15:04:24
1) Roll call
I think we've done this
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Kev
15:05:00
I can't see anything obvious on the mailing list either.
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has the xep-0050 debate been resolveds
Kev
15:05:16
So
2) Date of next
Next Wed?
jonasw
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*resolved?
SamWhited
15:05:34
WFM
Kev
15:05:38
jonasw: Not exactly, but it's that neither of the curretn patches are getting merged.
Kev
15:05:52
And I think you've skipped to AOB early ;)
jonasw
15:06:09
Kev, I thought it’s AOB -> Date of next, not Date of next -> AOB, sorry :)
Ge0rG
15:06:14
I'd like to discuss 0050 some more indeed.
Kev
15:06:43
Anyway, no-one's complaining about SBTSBC, so
Kev
15:06:45
3) AOB
Ge0rG
15:07:03
I'm pretty sure I won't be able to attend next week
Kev
15:09:47
No other AOB?
Ge0rG
15:09:53
Re 0050: the original design of having both an action and an attribute for what is the default action is sub-optimal.
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daniel
15:09:53
none from my side
Kev
15:10:12
Ge0rG: Yes, that's why Dave's suggested, and I've agreed with, nuking it.
Ge0rG
15:10:24
Kev: nuking the default action, you mean?
Kev
15:10:34
If no-one here's disagreeing, I think we just need to move ahead and someone write words.
Ge0rG
15:10:40
it was brought up that it would be a breaking change.
Kev
15:10:54
All options are a breaking change at this point.
Ge0rG
15:11:04
And also that the <execute> action is still needed for initiating the flow
Kev
15:11:05
Becuase the current text is broken.
Kev
15:11:08
Yes.
Kev
15:11:17
So you'd have <execute> as the initiator, and not afterwards.
Ge0rG
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I suppose I could live with that.
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The current text is broken, but maybe there are already in-the-wild workarounds around its brokenness, which we would be breaking.
Kev
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I think we can easily leave a note explaining what the old text said about <execute/> as a non-initiator, so implementations can be aware and do what they want to deal with that.
Ge0rG
15:13:03
great!
Kev
15:13:05
But this whole thread was started by the observation that things are broken in the wild because of the current text, so I think we do need to fix something.
Ge0rG
15:13:16
Yeah.
Kev
15:14:45
Anyone else for anything else?
Kev
15:15:34
I'll take that as a "no". Thanks all.
Ge0rG
15:15:42
Thanks Kev
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