XMPP Council - 2018-05-23

  1. Kev

    Do we have a meeting now?

  2. Zash

    You gotta ask yourself, "Do I feel lucky ^W^W have a meeting now?"

  3. Dave

    Ooops. Yes.

  4. Kev

    Something like that, yes.

  5. Dave

    1) Roll Call

  6. Kev

    I don't think we've got agendums, mind, although I might have missed them in the post-holiday-inbox-landslide

  7. Dave

    daniel, SamWhited

  8. Kev

    I'm here.

  9. Dave

    Kev, No, we don't - I deliberately stalled yesterday knowing there was the GDPR and TOS Proposals coming, but by the time they came I had my evening things to do, and today has been a nightmare.

  10. Dave

    Um. We may not be having a meeting after all.

  11. Ge0rG


  12. Dave


  13. Dave

    So it seems to be just the three of us, which is probably my fault for not having done the agenda.

  14. Dave

    Rather than call it off entirely, the GDPR XEP - do we want to bounce that to Board?

  15. Kev

    I think this is a Board decision, even if the approving body needs to be Council for process's sake.

  16. Dave

    (I'm somewhat convinced that's where it should go, process or no process, because of the legal implications).

  17. Kev

    Council seems entirely unqualified as a body to be assessing legal situations, or the advice we give in response to them.

  18. Dave

    Ge0rG, If you agree, I'll flag it to Board now and let them "advise" us.

  19. daniel

    Ah sorry I'm here

  20. Kev

    I would far far prefer to see an update to XEP1 that allowed us to have an Informational Board XEP here.

  21. Kev

    I'm very grateful for the work people are putting into this, but I think it'd be irresponsible for Council to be the approving body here.

  22. Dave

    Kev, I'm inclined to agree.

  23. Dave

    I'm just going to go ahead and flag this one to Board, and call this meeting a bust.

  24. Ge0rG

    I'm not quite sure what the board is supposed to be more competent about than we are

  25. daniel

    Yes. While I'm also glad the information is available I don't think a xep is the right place for this

  26. Kev

    Ge0rG: Board are responsible for legal matters of the XSF.

  27. Dave

    Ge0rG, Well, it's their duty to be more competent about it than we are.

  28. Kev

    Ge0rG: Council are selected for their technical leadership.

  29. daniel

    I don't think either board or council this the necessary qualifications

  30. daniel

    But if Board wants to vote it and it's on them

  31. Kev

    daniel: If Board feel that they don't have the qualifications, and don't want to find someone who has to advise them, that's also 'ok'.

  32. daniel


  33. Ge0rG

    I haven't had the time to read the GDPR XEP yet, does it appear to contain legal advice we don't feel competent about?

  34. Dave

    Ge0rG, It's trying to avoid being legal advice. But any legal advice might be problematic.

  35. Kev

    Ge0rG: It doesn't say anything at the moment, which is also a problem.

  36. Kev

    Because publishing something with legal advice to be filling in later also seems irresponsible.

  37. daniel

    Whether or not it's _technically_ legal advice I'm not sure a xep is the right place for it. I might even go so far to argue that the xsf in general is the right place. Although if Board has a different opinion that's fine with me

  38. Ge0rG

    So we are voting now about delegating a XEP to Board that doesn't contain anything and that's supposed to contain advice in the future, with that advice being of apparently legal nature, without actually being of legal nature?

  39. Kev

    It's certainly advice of a legal nature (it's advice about the GDPR, which is law), but whether it's legal advice is another matter.

  40. Kev

    But yes, I think we should just kick it up to Board, and they can decide what the appropriate thing to do is.

  41. Zash

    Meta-question: Does XEP-0001 not have process for XEPs owned by Board? (Feel free to defer until end of meeting.)

  42. Kev

    Zash: Yes, but only Procedural

  43. Ge0rG

    Do we need a Legal Council now?

  44. Kev

    That would be Board.

  45. Dave

    Who can also get a Legal Counsel should they wish.

  46. Kev

    Meeting done? SBTSBC? AOB?

  47. daniel

    I guess so

  48. jonasw

    Council, I’d like to add IBR integration into the ToS ProtoXEP until the next meeting since you didn’t vote on it this time. Is that level of change fine with you?

  49. Kev

    I don't much care what happens before voting :)

  50. jonasw

    even if I update 10 minutes before the meeting? ;-)

  51. Kev

    Before it's on the agenda then, perhaps.

  52. Kev

    I really mean 'before I review it' :)

  53. jonasw

    I guessed that, so I might implicitly asking for your review timeline :)

  54. Kev

    Once it's on the Agenda.