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Ge0rG
Is it that time again?
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Kev
It is.
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Kev
I don't think we have either an Agenda or a Dave, having just seen his message to standards@
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Kev
So I guess it'll be short
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Kev
1) Baps
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Kev
I'm here
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daniel
hi
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Ge0rG
πππ
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Kev
Well, that's quorum.
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Kev
2) Agenda bashing
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Ge0rG
Something something compression
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Ge0rG
Something something compression
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Kev
That's quite eloquent, but would you like to TL;DR?
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Ge0rG
I think we need to revise the exact reasons for why Stream Compression is considered insecure and how to make it great again, then fix the XEP.
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Kev
Is that a Council voting item?
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Ge0rG
LZW is due for deprecation because of lack of security in compression
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Ge0rG
Or were there additional reasons against LZW specifically?
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daniel
no i donβt think so
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Kev
Only that it's probably unused so we can deprecate that one more easily and make *some* progress.
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Ge0rG
Why did we have LZW in the first place? Better compression ratio?
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Ge0rG
Maybe we should add lzma or brotli then?
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Zash
zstandard?
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Kev
Ge0rG: What is your specific Council voting action here?
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Ge0rG
Kev: I'm looking for the reasons behind the currently pending vote
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Kev
If it's whether to deprecate or not, we did that last week and decided not to, but could do so again.
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Ge0rG
Kev: I missed last week.
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Kev
Tedd replied on list with the reasons he put the vote in the agenda.
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Ge0rG
Yes. I've read those.
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Ge0rG
I even vaguely remembered the initial call for feedback discussion, and that we considered all compression as flawed
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Ge0rG
But then there's some discussion on standards about how useful compression is to have, so maybe we need to actually address the security issues. And then maybe LZW doesn't need to be killed?
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Ge0rG
Which is why I'm asking all these questions now.
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SamWhited
Sorry, I'm here now too.
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Kev
I think this is roughly repeating what we said last week, which was that compression is useful and we should fix it.
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Kev
But I don't think 'fixing it' is a Council voting item.
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Kev
Hi Sam.
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Ge0rG
Kev: under this premise, does it still make sense to get rid of LZW?
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Kev
Probably not.
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Ge0rG
Is LZW a widely deployed compression method on the Jabber network?
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Kev
NAFAIK
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Zash
Mebbe CFE it? // the floor
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Ge0rG
Now I actually don't remember what we decided last time.
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Ge0rG
Did we CFE?
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Kev
I think we should (not now) go ahead and fix compression, and then reconsider what to do about this.
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Kev
Which is the same thing I thought last week.
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Ge0rG
Great, let's do that.
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Ge0rG
So I vote not to change anything right now.
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Kev
Excellent, so that's nothing on the agenda then.
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Kev
3) Date of next SBTSBC and Dave should be here next week?
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SamWhited
WFM
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Ge0rG
As good as this week for me.
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daniel
i might be on a train or tram or something. but i'll try to make
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Kev
4) AOB?
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Ge0rG
Pending votes?
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Kev
You can give pending votes here if you want, or just on-list them.
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Ge0rG
I might miss the two week deadline, by a short margin.
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Ge0rG
But yes, on list is more practical
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Kev
I think we're done then unless anyone shouts imminently?
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Ge0rG
π
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Kev
Right, thanks all.
- Kev ganbs the vagel
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Ge0rG
But please don't bagg the navel.