XMPP Council - 2018-06-27

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15:00:50 Ge0rG Is it that time again?
15:00:56 Kev It is.
15:01:10 Kev I don't think we have either an Agenda or a Dave, having just seen his message to standards@
15:01:17 Kev So I guess it'll be short
15:01:21 Kev 1) Baps
15:01:24 Kev I'm here
15:01:27 daniel hi
15:01:35 Ge0rG 🙊🙉🙈
15:02:06 Kev Well, that's quorum.
15:02:12 Kev 2) Agenda bashing
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15:02:23 Ge0rG Something something compression
15:02:23 Ge0rG Something something compression
15:02:39 Kev That's quite eloquent, but would you like to TL;DR?
15:03:25 Ge0rG I think we need to revise the exact reasons for why Stream Compression is considered insecure and how to make it great again, then fix the XEP.
15:03:42 Kev Is that a Council voting item?
15:04:02 Ge0rG LZW is due for deprecation because of lack of security in compression
15:04:22 Ge0rG Or were there additional reasons against LZW specifically?
15:04:48 daniel no i don’t think so
15:04:51 Kev Only that it's probably unused so we can deprecate that one more easily and make *some* progress.
15:05:39 Ge0rG Why did we have LZW in the first place? Better compression ratio?
15:05:58 Ge0rG Maybe we should add lzma or brotli then?
15:06:15 Zash zstandard?
15:07:55 Kev Ge0rG: What is your specific Council voting action here?
15:08:24 Ge0rG Kev: I'm looking for the reasons behind the currently pending vote
15:08:28 Kev If it's whether to deprecate or not, we did that last week and decided not to, but could do so again.
15:08:45 Ge0rG Kev: I missed last week.
15:08:56 Kev Tedd replied on list with the reasons he put the vote in the agenda.
15:09:07 Ge0rG Yes. I've read those.
15:09:58 Ge0rG I even vaguely remembered the initial call for feedback discussion, and that we considered all compression as flawed
15:10:55 Ge0rG But then there's some discussion on standards about how useful compression is to have, so maybe we need to actually address the security issues. And then maybe LZW doesn't need to be killed?
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15:11:27 Ge0rG Which is why I'm asking all these questions now.
15:11:28 SamWhited Sorry, I'm here now too.
15:11:40 Kev I think this is roughly repeating what we said last week, which was that compression is useful and we should fix it.
15:11:51 Kev But I don't think 'fixing it' is a Council voting item.
15:11:52 Kev Hi Sam.
15:12:36 Ge0rG Kev: under this premise, does it still make sense to get rid of LZW?
15:12:58 Kev Probably not.
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15:13:49 Ge0rG Is LZW a widely deployed compression method on the Jabber network?
15:14:38 Kev NAFAIK
15:15:04 Zash Mebbe CFE it? // the floor
15:15:40 Ge0rG Now I actually don't remember what we decided last time.
15:15:51 Ge0rG Did we CFE?
15:16:03 Kev I think we should (not now) go ahead and fix compression, and then reconsider what to do about this.
15:16:09 Kev Which is the same thing I thought last week.
15:16:40 Ge0rG Great, let's do that.
15:16:59 Ge0rG So I vote not to change anything right now.
15:17:02 Kev Excellent, so that's nothing on the agenda then.
15:17:15 Kev 3) Date of next SBTSBC and Dave should be here next week?
15:17:22 SamWhited WFM
15:17:54 Ge0rG As good as this week for me.
15:18:22 daniel i might be on a train or tram or something. but i'll try to make
15:18:31 Kev 4) AOB?
15:18:39 Ge0rG Pending votes?
15:19:00 Kev You can give pending votes here if you want, or just on-list them.
15:19:43 Ge0rG I might miss the two week deadline, by a short margin.
15:20:07 Ge0rG But yes, on list is more practical
15:20:21 Kev I think we're done then unless anyone shouts imminently?
15:20:30 Ge0rG 🙊
15:20:38 Kev Right, thanks all.
15:20:49 Kev ganbs the vagel
15:22:27 Ge0rG But please don't bagg the navel.
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