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Ge0rG
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Is it that time again?
Kev
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It is.
Kev
15:01:10
I don't think we have either an Agenda or a Dave, having just seen his message to standards@
Kev
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So I guess it'll be short
Kev
15:01:21
1) Baps
Kev
15:01:24
I'm here
daniel
15:01:27
hi
Ge0rG
15:01:35
πππ
Kev
15:02:06
Well, that's quorum.
Kev
15:02:12
2) Agenda bashing
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Ge0rG
15:02:23
Something something compression
Ge0rG
15:02:23
Something something compression
Kev
15:02:39
That's quite eloquent, but would you like to TL;DR?
Ge0rG
15:03:25
I think we need to revise the exact reasons for why Stream Compression is considered insecure and how to make it great again, then fix the XEP.
Kev
15:03:42
Is that a Council voting item?
Ge0rG
15:04:02
LZW is due for deprecation because of lack of security in compression
Ge0rG
15:04:22
Or were there additional reasons against LZW specifically?
daniel
15:04:48
no i donβt think so
Kev
15:04:51
Only that it's probably unused so we can deprecate that one more easily and make *some* progress.
Ge0rG
15:05:39
Why did we have LZW in the first place? Better compression ratio?
Ge0rG
15:05:58
Maybe we should add lzma or brotli then?
Zash
15:06:15
zstandard?
Kev
15:07:55
Ge0rG: What is your specific Council voting action here?
Ge0rG
15:08:24
Kev: I'm looking for the reasons behind the currently pending vote
Kev
15:08:28
If it's whether to deprecate or not, we did that last week and decided not to, but could do so again.
Ge0rG
15:08:45
Kev: I missed last week.
Kev
15:08:56
Tedd replied on list with the reasons he put the vote in the agenda.
Ge0rG
15:09:07
Yes. I've read those.
Ge0rG
15:09:58
I even vaguely remembered the initial call for feedback discussion, and that we considered all compression as flawed
Ge0rG
15:10:55
But then there's some discussion on standards about how useful compression is to have, so maybe we need to actually address the security issues. And then maybe LZW doesn't need to be killed?
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Ge0rG
15:11:27
Which is why I'm asking all these questions now.
SamWhited
15:11:28
Sorry, I'm here now too.
Kev
15:11:40
I think this is roughly repeating what we said last week, which was that compression is useful and we should fix it.
Kev
15:11:51
But I don't think 'fixing it' is a Council voting item.
Kev
15:11:52
Hi Sam.
Ge0rG
15:12:36
Kev: under this premise, does it still make sense to get rid of LZW?
Kev
15:12:58
Probably not.
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Ge0rG
15:13:49
Is LZW a widely deployed compression method on the Jabber network?
Kev
15:14:38
NAFAIK
Zash
15:15:04
Mebbe CFE it? // the floor
Ge0rG
15:15:40
Now I actually don't remember what we decided last time.
Ge0rG
15:15:51
Did we CFE?
Kev
15:16:03
I think we should (not now) go ahead and fix compression, and then reconsider what to do about this.
Kev
15:16:09
Which is the same thing I thought last week.
Ge0rG
15:16:40
Great, let's do that.
Ge0rG
15:16:59
So I vote not to change anything right now.
Kev
15:17:02
Excellent, so that's nothing on the agenda then.
Kev
15:17:15
3) Date of next
SBTSBC and Dave should be here next week?
SamWhited
15:17:22
WFM
Ge0rG
15:17:54
As good as this week for me.
daniel
15:18:22
i might be on a train or tram or something. but i'll try to make
Kev
15:18:31
4) AOB?
Ge0rG
15:18:39
Pending votes?
Kev
15:19:00
You can give pending votes here if you want, or just on-list them.
Ge0rG
15:19:43
I might miss the two week deadline, by a short margin.
Ge0rG
15:20:07
But yes, on list is more practical
Kev
15:20:21
I think we're done then unless anyone shouts imminently?
Ge0rG
15:20:30
π
Kev
15:20:38
Right, thanks all.
Kev
ganbs the vagel
15:20:49
Ge0rG
15:22:27
But please don't bagg the navel.
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