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Ge0rG
My calendar reminded me.
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Kev
Well done Ge0rG's calendar.
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SamWhited
I appear to actually be in the room this week
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Dave
Even I'm here.
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jonasw
I’m, too!
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Ge0rG
!ping SamWhited
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SamWhited
oh wow, I sent that and there was a *lot* of lag, briefly thought it wasn't working after all.
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Ge0rG
I'll have to translocate starting in 20mins, but maybe my crappy mobile client app will suffice for after that.
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jonasw
!summon Dave✎ -
jonasw
!summon daniel ✏
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daniel
Hi
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Ge0rG
council@muc.xmpp.org/SamWhited responded to ping after 0.6988s
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daniel
My lag is fine
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jonasw
"I’m not 15 minutes late, my lag is just high"
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SamWhited
Ge0rG: second message was fine, so no idea what that was about
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SamWhited
and that one
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jonasw
s2s establishment probably?
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Ge0rG
Are we part of the establishment?
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jonasw
... didn’t check the clock and was wondering why everyone is here but not talking
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jonasw
and was about to check whether *my* link to this muc was broken
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Ge0rG
Somebody should write a self-ping XEP.
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Ge0rG
Oh, wait. That's on my TODO already.
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Dave
16:00, golly.
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Ge0rG
Dave: you were 9 seconds too early.
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Dave
Pfft.
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Dave
1) Role Call
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Kev
Yma
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Dave
Kev, Diolch.
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SamWhited
Here
- Ge0rG
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daniel
Here
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Dave
Cool.
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Dave
2) Agenda Fiddling
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Ge0rG
Whoops, there is an agenda today. I totally missed that.
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Dave
Any suggestions? Otherwise I'll go along with what Tedd Sterr has provided, since it seems OK.
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Kev
No bashing here.
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SamWhited
SGTM
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Dave
3) PR #664 - XEP-0045: Add implementation note about {jabber:x:conference}x payload - https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/664
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Kev
Other than the typo, I don't think this is harmful (but do agree it should have gone to Council vote).
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Kev
+1 sans typo
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Ge0rG
There is a typo in that patch. "there still exist*s* server implementations"
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Ge0rG
+1 sans typo from me as well
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daniel
+1
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SamWhited
+1
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Dave
+1
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Dave
4) PR #672 - XEP-0059: Add 'exact(-index)' attribute to RSM's <count/> and <first/> - https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/672
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Kev
I've missed the context on this - anyone got the subject line from standards@ to look at?
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Kev
I'm -1 regardless, but I'd like to see the discussion that prompted it.
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jonasw
I think the discussion was in xsf@
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Dave
I think I have to be on-list for this, I've not seen the discussion and it seems non-trivial.
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Kev
I think the presence of an optional attribute that has no default in case it's missing is enough for me to -1 it in current form, regardless of intent.
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Ge0rG
I think it's overdoing. Add complexity for a very specific corner-case. Not that I'm not guilty of that myself.
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jonasw
Kev, huh, why?
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SamWhited
I'm on list as well, but am leaning towards -1. I need to reread 0059 again first though.
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Dave
Kev, Hmmm. Surely the absence means unspecified, as is the case now?
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jonasw
absence signals "server doesn’t know, doesn’t want to, or does not support this"
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jonasw
I don’t see anything wrong with that conceptually
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Kev
It is currently not unspecified, it's currently specified that it may be inexact, and therefore anyone receiving it has to treat it as inexact.
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Kev
i.e. the current is default exact=false.
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Ge0rG
the current default is exact=maybe.
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Dave
Kev, Ah... Interesting. I see your logic there.
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Dave
daniel, Anything to say/vote before we move on?
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Kev
Regardless, adding a SHOULD for new protocol to a Draft XEP seems like it needs to be done carefully.
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daniel
I don't really have an opinion yet
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daniel
On list
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Ge0rG
on list from me as well
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Dave
5) Stagnant Votes
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flow
I'd like to note that the commit message tries to provide a motivation
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Kev
Am I the only one who thinks that thanking yourself in your own patch is terribly bad form too?
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Ge0rG
flow: "may use an optimized algorithm" is a rather weak motivation.
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Dave
I think at least a few of my votes have expired due to my absence, and I've no idea what else might be outstanding.
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Kev
I still owe a vote on HTTP Upload, which may have expired, but I think there's unaddressed feedback on list that I'd like to see discussed before it advances.
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Dave
I'll commit to updating the Spreadsheet Of Doom over the next couple of days.
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Ge0rG
Kev: yes it is, but we don't have a better way to add contributors to an XEP, or do we?
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Kev
I see comments from Goffi without a response, at least.
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Kev
Ge0rG: I would expect the author or Editor to add a thanks in that case.
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Dave
6) AOB
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Ge0rG
Kev: I haven't seen that happen in practice, yet.
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daniel
> Am I the only one who thinks that thanking yourself in your own patch is terribly bad form too? Yes. But I get where this is coming from and we don't have a good alternative for being listed as a conttubor
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Kev
I have NAOB.
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SamWhited
git blame will list you as a contributor if it's terribly important to you
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Ge0rG
Maybe we need to add it to the XEP Editor README
- Ge0rG begins translocation now.
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Dave
So apologies for my extended absence - I've had a collision of things (including a new treasurer appeared and then vanishing on me across an accounts deadline for a charity I help with).
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Kev
We coped, mostly.
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Dave
On the plus side, I taught myself double-entry ledger book-keeping, which is something.
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Dave
But in any case, I'll commit to being more around as from now.
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Ge0rG
That's a bold commitment
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Dave
7) Next Meeting
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Dave
Normal time next week?
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Kev
WFM
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daniel
Wfm
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SamWhited
WFM
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Ge0rG
Should be fine
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Dave
I'll actually be on a train, but it should be OK.
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Dave
8) Ite, Meeting Est.
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Dave
Thank all.✎ -
Kev
Thanks all.
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Dave
Thanks all. ✏
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flow
Ge0rG, would it help if I'd elaborate the algorithm for the exact=true case?
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Ge0rG
flow: it sounds like you should do that, on standards@
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flow
I dunno, appears the thing already got -1'ed
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Dave
flow, It'd be more useful if there were some concrete cases where exactitude was essential.
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jonasw
flow, modify the PR, re-submit to council, new vote
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Dave
flow, Well. -1 means "do not advance", and not "never advance".
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Ge0rG
flow: it seems nobody in the council quite grasped why the extension is needed.
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Ge0rG
So providing a deeper motivation on the list will probably increase your chances, or at least shift the feedback from "lack of understanding" to practical / formal issues