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Ge0rG
14:49:26
It looks like this day of the week again, and I'm more gone than here.
SamWhited
14:51:26
I'm more gone than here, but I just started a cup of coffee so I should be here in the next 9 minutes
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Ge0rG
14:58:37
SamWhited: your timing is awesome. I don't have coffee, so nothing is going to change with my situation.
SamWhited
14:59:04
For once, it's spot on
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Kev
15:01:22
Here.
Kev
15:01:33
dwd?
daniel
15:02:00
Here as well
SamWhited
15:03:33
o/
Kev
15:03:54
That's quorum, but not a Chair, maybe.
Kev
15:03:58
Let me dig out the agenda.
Kev
15:04:10
1) Roll call
Kev
15:04:21
Me, Daniel, Sam. Ge0rG more not here than here.
Kev
15:04:30
2) Agenda bashing.
Kev
15:05:04
Cool
Kev
15:05:10
3) https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/bookmarks-conversion.html
Kev
15:05:59
I'm not sure about the implication in the intro that BM2 isn't widely adopted, but that PEP BMs are.
Kev
15:06:17
(But that's not a blocking comment, naturally)
Ge0rG
15:06:28
On list
Zash
15:06:32
I think there are 3 client implementations actually.
daniel
15:06:54
+1
Kev
15:06:55
I'll be inclined to go straight to BM2, rather than ever implementing BM/PEP in Swift.
daniel
15:07:14
Kev: I have so many issues with BM2...
Kev
15:07:16
But I'm not blocking the protoXEP.
Kev
15:07:20
(+1)
daniel
15:07:31
But that's probably a discussion for another day
Kev
15:07:31
daniel: I don't necessarily mean BM2 as-written, so that might be fair.
SamWhited
15:07:33
+1
Kev
15:07:52
4) LC on 359 (stanza IDs)
Kev
15:08:22
I see no harm in issuing LCs in general, so +1.
SamWhited
15:08:27
+1 for LC
daniel
15:08:44
+1
Kev
15:09:25
5) LC on 357 (push).
Kev
15:09:37
Again, I see no harm in an LC (even if I don't think it's ready for advancement)
Kev
15:09:38
+1
daniel
15:09:40
I don't think it will make it
daniel
15:09:46
But yeah we can issue it
Ge0rG
15:09:49
+1 for both LCs
Kev
15:10:12
The main reason not to is if we're convinced Council is going to -1 advancement, and we can save the Editor some work, I think.
Kev
15:10:33
I suspect, rather than am convinced, that that's the case.
Kev
15:10:48
SamWhited?
Dave
15:10:53
Hiya, sorry - things a little hectic. :-(
SamWhited
15:11:04
err, sorry +1 on LC for 357 too
daniel
15:11:15
I'm fairly convinced that push will be -1 after the lc
daniel
15:11:26
But still +1 for the lc
Kev
15:11:29
k
SamWhited
15:11:30
If nothing else it will help flush out feedback from the community, which isn't necessarily bad
Kev
15:11:38
6) Date of next.
Kev
15:11:45
(Sam: Indeed)
Kev
15:11:50
SBTSBC?
SamWhited
15:12:04
WFM
Kev
15:12:14
7) AOB?
Link Mauve
15:13:30
AOB from the floor: what is still missing for the MUC avatars conversion ProtoXEP? ✎
Link Mauve
15:13:36
AOB from the floor: what is still missing for the MUC avatars ProtoXEP? ✏
Kev
15:13:59
I fear I missed that one while I was on my nearly-a-month holiday of bliss :)
Kev
15:14:18
(So I don't know)
Kev
15:14:20
Anyone else?
Kev
15:15:07
AFAICs, that had three +1s, and two on-lists a month ago.
Kev
15:15:16
So unless someone vetod on-list, it's ready to publish.
Kev
15:15:19
Let's see...
Kev
15:15:30
Ah, Sam vetod.
SamWhited
15:15:41
Do you have a link to that email? I'm struggling to find it
Kev
15:15:55
"Re: [Standards] XMPP Council Meeting 2018-09-05" if that helps.
Kev
15:16:05
It's the one in which you start by saying it's a great protoxep, and that you're vetoing it :)
SamWhited
15:16:20
Found it, thanks
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SamWhited
15:17:06
ah yah, that's why, yup, I agree with myself still.
Kev
15:18:03
FWIW, I think delaying things that make life a little bit better with avatars, in the hope that some day everything gets sorted out, is probably not the best way here.
Kev
15:18:24
If people are doing this stuff anyway, interop is better than not, and provides a clear spec to deprecate later.
Link Mauve
15:18:58
That was my reason for not going full on PEP and postpone this even more.
SamWhited
15:18:58
I think it's as simple as mentioning that it can be done in one of the other avatar specs instead of completely re-hashing all of vcard-temp
Kev
15:19:17
I'd rather, I think, we could say at some point in the future "Here are all the ways people do it already. We're now deprecating them all in favour of the One True Ring" than "Here are some of the ways, we're deprecating those, but lots of people did other things and we can't say anything about those".
Link Mauve
15:19:25
SamWhited, so basically I should remove the examples, and only leave the disco and notification parts?
SamWhited
15:19:41
Link Mauve: I don't think it should be a separate XEP at all
Dave
15:20:07
I rather liked edhelas's suggestions for expanding this in such a way that it can do pubsub nodes and all sorts, personally.
SamWhited
15:20:15
Having 4 or 5 different avatar specs already, I don't think adding another reduces that confusion.
Link Mauve
15:20:29
You’d be in favour of adding discovery and MUC-specific notifications to e.g. XEP-0153?
Link Mauve
15:20:42
Dave, so moving discovery to another XEP-0128 dataform?
Kev
15:21:04
I think we've moved beyond Council discussion here and I'm inclined to close the meeting. Any objections?
Link Mauve
15:21:09
None from me.
SamWhited
15:21:12
Link Mauve: I'm not sure where the best place is; 0153 might be it. Or MUC itself.
SamWhited
15:21:30
Kev: oops, one more AOB
SamWhited
15:21:42
Is this a matter for council? https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/706
SamWhited
15:22:14
There was some confusion about this a few weeks ago, updating to the new language would have fixed it and we've been doing it this way anyways
Kev
15:22:57
I think that should be an agenda item, yes. For the next meeting.
SamWhited
15:23:02
WFM, thanks.
Kev
15:23:11
AOAOAOB?
Kev
15:23:37
Right, we're done then. Thanks all!
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