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jonas’
can anyone shed light on those: XEP-0234 (Jingle File Transfer), LC ends: 2017-12-12; https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0234.html XEP-0352 (Client State Indication), LC ends: 2017-12-21; https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0352.html XEP-0359 (Unique and Stable Stanza IDs), LC ends: 2018-11-03; https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0359.html XEP-0186 (Invisible Command), LC ends: 2017-12-21; https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0186.html XEP-0280 (Message Carbons), LC ends: 2018-02-22; https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0280.html XEP-0381 (Internet of Things Special Interest Group (IoT SIG)), LC ends: 2017-03-14; https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0381.html XEP-0363 (HTTP File Upload), LC ends: 2018-06-18; https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0363.html
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jonas’
they have open LCs, some for nearly a year now
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dwd
They fall into this wedge state of Proposed, mostly, I think. We did mean to do something about that problem. But XEP-0359, at least, is OK - that we can just vote on for Draft once its LC ends, can't we?
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jonas’
oh, I meant to elide that from the list
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Berk
jonas’, see also: https://github.com/xsf/xeps/issues/577
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Berk
I recall a decision to push them back to experimental
- jonas’ reads minutes from that meeting
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dwd
I can't even rememebr if we did vote to advance-or-not. But we cannot, under XEP-0001, push them back to Experimental unfortunately. I can't recall if we decided we probably could as long as nobody looked / we squinted / we bribed someone.
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jonas’
commit f196f9196183695aecc64279b1fb48281915daf4 (HEAD -> master) Author: Jonas Schäfer <j.wielicki@sotecware.net> Date: Wed Oct 31 16:54:36 2018 +0100 XEP-0352: move back to Experimental Concil vote from 2018-02-07.
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jonas’
no need to bribe
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jonas’
the process is clearly broken
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dwd
Yeah. Technically counter to XEP-0001, though.
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jonas’
I suggest to ignore the process here and put fixing of hte process on the agenda
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dwd
Actually, anyone can fix the process, but Board needs to approve the fix.
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jonas’
council might wanna think about what we want
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jonas’
also, don’t you even have a meeting in 5min?
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dwd
We do indeed.
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dwd
Although I didn't do an agenda because... well, I was on a train yesterday during my "Council Prep" slot, actually.
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dwd
Tick... Tick...
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Kev
Tock
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dwd
1) Is There Anybody Out There?
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daniel
Hi
- jonas’ is, but nobody cares :)
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dwd
I care. :-)
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jonas’
well, not the roll call and quorum check
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peter
I'm confused. We've always just moved things back to Experimental.
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dwd
By fire and by brimstone, I call upon SamWhited.
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Ge0rG
Good morning everyone!
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peter
But I'll leave that up to the Board and Council to decide, I'm just an interloper at this point. ;-)
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dwd
peter, Well, possibly we have. But according to XEP-0001...
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Kev
peter: We always have. Our process says we can't, but we always have.
- peter goes back to $dayjob stuff
- jonas’ points at peter and shouts "Interloper!"
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SamWhited
oops, here
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dwd
Ge0rG, Morning?
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dwd
OK, full house.
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Ge0rG
dwd: it's morning in UGT
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dwd
2) Items for a vote.
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dwd
I don't *think* we have any, but I confess I didn't do much prep for this meeting as I was on leave yesterday and Monday.
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Ge0rG
Somebody ought to sort out the Spreadsheet of Doom to determine the actually expired votes and to put them up for re-election
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dwd
Yes, that's very much on me to do.
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Ge0rG
dwd: is it also on your todo?
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dwd
Ge0rG, It's on my to do list to put it on my todo list, yes.
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dwd
But in the absence of anything to actually vote on:
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Ge0rG
...to put it on the Agenda.
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dwd
4) AOB
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dwd
Wait.
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dwd
3) AOB
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dwd
I lost count.
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Ge0rG
There are Council elections upcoming.
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Kev
AOB: Decison on number systems to use for counting agendums.
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dwd
Yes, and currently candidates are... sparse.
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jonas’
AOB: reminder of the currently in progress and not yet expired LC
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Ge0rG
Actually, the next Council meeting will be after the closing of the Council election candidate submission deadline.
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jonas’
specifically: XEP-0357 (Push Notifications), LC ends: 2018-11-03; https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0357.html XEP-0359 (Unique and Stable Stanza IDs), LC ends: 2018-11-03; https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0359.html
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dwd
Ge0rG, That;'s a good point. So anyone wishing to stand for next year's Council really should do the Wiki thing and stand soon.
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dwd
jonas’, Thanks, so noted.
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Kev
That ... is sparse, yes.
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dwd
I actually have no idea what happens if Council and/or Board are undermanned - I think Council and Board are empowered to co-opt, at that point. Not something I really want to have to deal with.
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Ge0rG
What happens if there are not enough candidates? Total breakdown or will we be "volunteered" for another year of service?
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Kev
It's up-to the number.
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Kev
From memory.
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Kev
Although a Council of Just Dave would probably be a bad thing.
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jonas’
it would be Dave and Link Mauve
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dwd
In any case, do stand if you can, and encourage others to stand.
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jonas’
what about the current council members? nobody wanna re-run except Dave?
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Kev
I don't think Link Mauve has written an application yet.
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Ge0rG
I'll volunteer, however I didn't want to just copy last years page.
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dwd
Kev, Indeed, he technically hasn't actually stood.
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Ge0rG
Also no stickers nor banners yet.
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jonas’
he strongly intends to
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dwd
Anyway - AOAOB?
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Link Mauve
Kev, I started writing one at least.
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Kev
None here.
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dwd
OK, so:
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dwd
N+1) Next Meeting
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Link Mauve
I’m four full days early!
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jonas’
Link Mauve, why do you always have to keep the suspense up
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Kev
SBTSBC?
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dwd
I cannot actually make this time next week; for some reason I've had a meeting plonked on top of it.
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SamWhited
WFM
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Kev
Someone poke me shortly before the deadline if we're still short of candidates and I'll think seriously whether I can afford the time.
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dwd
So if we do next week, someone else will need to herd the cats.
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dwd
Kev, *poke*
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jonas’
DST change in US?
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Kev
Actually, I can't next week either, just realised. I shall be in the car, I think.
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dwd
Kev, Mobile XMPP?
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Ge0rG
Don't chat and drive!
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Kev
Probably unwise while driving, I think.
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Ge0rG
Or use yaxim with Android Auto.
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dwd
Kev, Speech to text? "I vote plus one. Shit, you idiot, who taught you to drive."
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dwd
Anyway, are the remainder happy to meet, or should we skip next week?
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Kev
When is the last meeting of term?
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Kev
Not until the week after that, I think?
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dwd
2018-11-21 I make it.
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Kev
Week+1 then, works for me.
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daniel
i’m fine with next week
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dwd
We have three Wednesdays remaining until the end of the world.
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daniel
but i can’t do the one after that
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SamWhited
Me: "Send: 'I vote plus one'", STT: "We sent: 'I vape Klause for fun'"
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daniel
so i'd rather not skip next week
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dwd
OK, let's assume next week is on, then.
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dwd
So that's 2018-11-07 16:00 UTC.
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dwd
N+1) Ite, Meeting Est
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dwd
Thanks all.
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Kev
Thanks.
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Ge0rG
Thanks!
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pep.
"jonas’> Link Mauve, why do you always have to keep the suspense up" haha, this