can anyone shed light on those:
XEP-0234 (Jingle File Transfer), LC ends: 2017-12-12; https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0234.html
XEP-0352 (Client State Indication), LC ends: 2017-12-21; https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0352.html
XEP-0359 (Unique and Stable Stanza IDs), LC ends: 2018-11-03; https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0359.html
XEP-0186 (Invisible Command), LC ends: 2017-12-21; https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0186.html
XEP-0280 (Message Carbons), LC ends: 2018-02-22; https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0280.html
XEP-0381 (Internet of Things Special Interest Group (IoT SIG)), LC ends: 2017-03-14; https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0381.html
XEP-0363 (HTTP File Upload), LC ends: 2018-06-18; https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0363.html
jonas’
they have open LCs, some for nearly a year now
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They fall into this wedge state of Proposed, mostly, I think. We did mean to do something about that problem. But XEP-0359, at least, is OK - that we can just vote on for Draft once its LC ends, can't we?
jonas’
oh, I meant to elide that from the list
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jonas’, see also: https://github.com/xsf/xeps/issues/577
Berk
I recall a decision to push them back to experimental
jonas’reads minutes from that meeting
dwd
I can't even rememebr if we did vote to advance-or-not. But we cannot, under XEP-0001, push them back to Experimental unfortunately. I can't recall if we decided we probably could as long as nobody looked / we squinted / we bribed someone.
jonas’
commit f196f9196183695aecc64279b1fb48281915daf4 (HEAD -> master)
Author: Jonas Schäfer <j.wielicki@sotecware.net>
Date: Wed Oct 31 16:54:36 2018 +0100
XEP-0352: move back to Experimental
Concil vote from 2018-02-07.
jonas’
no need to bribe
jonas’
the process is clearly broken
dwd
Yeah. Technically counter to XEP-0001, though.
jonas’
I suggest to ignore the process here and put fixing of hte process on the agenda
dwd
Actually, anyone can fix the process, but Board needs to approve the fix.
jonas’
council might wanna think about what we want
jonas’
also, don’t you even have a meeting in 5min?
dwd
We do indeed.
dwd
Although I didn't do an agenda because... well, I was on a train yesterday during my "Council Prep" slot, actually.
dwd
Tick... Tick...
Kev
Tock
dwd
1) Is There Anybody Out There?
daniel
Hi
jonas’is, but nobody cares :)
dwd
I care. :-)
jonas’
well, not the roll call and quorum check
peter
I'm confused. We've always just moved things back to Experimental.
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By fire and by brimstone, I call upon SamWhited.
Ge0rG
Good morning everyone!
peter
But I'll leave that up to the Board and Council to decide, I'm just an interloper at this point. ;-)
dwd
peter, Well, possibly we have. But according to XEP-0001...
Kev
peter: We always have. Our process says we can't, but we always have.
petergoes back to $dayjob stuff
jonas’points at peter and shouts "Interloper!"
SamWhited
oops, here
dwd
Ge0rG, Morning?
dwd
OK, full house.
Ge0rG
dwd: it's morning in UGT
dwd
2) Items for a vote.
dwd
I don't *think* we have any, but I confess I didn't do much prep for this meeting as I was on leave yesterday and Monday.
Ge0rG
Somebody ought to sort out the Spreadsheet of Doom to determine the actually expired votes and to put them up for re-election
dwd
Yes, that's very much on me to do.
Ge0rG
dwd: is it also on your todo?
dwd
Ge0rG, It's on my to do list to put it on my todo list, yes.
dwd
But in the absence of anything to actually vote on:
Ge0rG
...to put it on the Agenda.
dwd
4) AOB
dwd
Wait.
dwd
3) AOB
dwd
I lost count.
Ge0rG
There are Council elections upcoming.
Kev
AOB: Decison on number systems to use for counting agendums.
dwd
Yes, and currently candidates are... sparse.
jonas’
AOB: reminder of the currently in progress and not yet expired LC
Ge0rG
Actually, the next Council meeting will be after the closing of the Council election candidate submission deadline.
Ge0rG, That;'s a good point. So anyone wishing to stand for next year's Council really should do the Wiki thing and stand soon.
dwd
jonas’, Thanks, so noted.
Kev
That ... is sparse, yes.
dwd
I actually have no idea what happens if Council and/or Board are undermanned - I think Council and Board are empowered to co-opt, at that point. Not something I really want to have to deal with.
Ge0rG
What happens if there are not enough candidates? Total breakdown or will we be "volunteered" for another year of service?
Kev
It's up-to the number.
Kev
From memory.
Kev
Although a Council of Just Dave would probably be a bad thing.
jonas’
it would be Dave and Link Mauve
dwd
In any case, do stand if you can, and encourage others to stand.
jonas’
what about the current council members? nobody wanna re-run except Dave?
Kev
I don't think Link Mauve has written an application yet.
Ge0rG
I'll volunteer, however I didn't want to just copy last years page.
dwd
Kev, Indeed, he technically hasn't actually stood.
Ge0rG
Also no stickers nor banners yet.
jonas’
he strongly intends to
dwd
Anyway - AOAOB?
Link Mauve
Kev, I started writing one at least.
Kev
None here.
dwd
OK, so:
dwd
N+1) Next Meeting
Link Mauve
I’m four full days early!
jonas’
Link Mauve, why do you always have to keep the suspense up
Kev
SBTSBC?
dwd
I cannot actually make this time next week; for some reason I've had a meeting plonked on top of it.
SamWhited
WFM
Kev
Someone poke me shortly before the deadline if we're still short of candidates and I'll think seriously whether I can afford the time.
dwd
So if we do next week, someone else will need to herd the cats.
dwd
Kev, *poke*
jonas’
DST change in US?
Kev
Actually, I can't next week either, just realised. I shall be in the car, I think.
dwd
Kev, Mobile XMPP?
Ge0rG
Don't chat and drive!
Kev
Probably unwise while driving, I think.
Ge0rG
Or use yaxim with Android Auto.
dwd
Kev, Speech to text? "I vote plus one. Shit, you idiot, who taught you to drive."
dwd
Anyway, are the remainder happy to meet, or should we skip next week?
Kev
When is the last meeting of term?
Kev
Not until the week after that, I think?
dwd
2018-11-21 I make it.
Kev
Week+1 then, works for me.
daniel
i’m fine with next week
dwd
We have three Wednesdays remaining until the end of the world.
daniel
but i can’t do the one after that
SamWhited
Me: "Send: 'I vote plus one'", STT: "We sent: 'I vape Klause for fun'"
daniel
so i'd rather not skip next week
dwd
OK, let's assume next week is on, then.
dwd
So that's 2018-11-07 16:00 UTC.
dwd
N+1) Ite, Meeting Est
dwd
Thanks all.
Kev
Thanks.
Ge0rG
Thanks!
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pep.
"jonas’> Link Mauve, why do you always have to keep the suspense up" haha, this