XMPP Council - 2018-10-31

can anyone shed light on those: XEP-0234 (Jingle File Transfer), LC ends: 2017-12-12; https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0234.html XEP-0352 (Client State Indication), LC ends: 2017-12-21; https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0352.html XEP-0359 (Unique and Stable Stanza IDs), LC ends: 2018-11-03; https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0359.html XEP-0186 (Invisible Command), LC ends: 2017-12-21; https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0186.html XEP-0280 (Message Carbons), LC ends: 2018-02-22; https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0280.html XEP-0381 (Internet of Things Special Interest Group (IoT SIG)), LC ends: 2017-03-14; https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0381.html XEP-0363 (HTTP File Upload), LC ends: 2018-06-18; https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0363.html

they have open LCs, some for nearly a year now

They fall into this wedge state of Proposed, mostly, I think. We did mean to do something about that problem. But XEP-0359, at least, is OK - that we can just vote on for Draft once its LC ends, can't we?

oh, I meant to elide that from the list

jonas’, see also: https://github.com/xsf/xeps/issues/577

I recall a decision to push them back to experimental

I can't even rememebr if we did vote to advance-or-not. But we cannot, under XEP-0001, push them back to Experimental unfortunately. I can't recall if we decided we probably could as long as nobody looked / we squinted / we bribed someone.

commit f196f9196183695aecc64279b1fb48281915daf4 (HEAD -> master) Author: Jonas Schäfer <j.wielicki@sotecware.net> Date: Wed Oct 31 16:54:36 2018 +0100 XEP-0352: move back to Experimental Concil vote from 2018-02-07.

no need to bribe

the process is clearly broken

Yeah. Technically counter to XEP-0001, though.

I suggest to ignore the process here and put fixing of hte process on the agenda

Actually, anyone can fix the process, but Board needs to approve the fix.

council might wanna think about what we want

also, don’t you even have a meeting in 5min?

We do indeed.

Although I didn't do an agenda because... well, I was on a train yesterday during my "Council Prep" slot, actually.

Tick... Tick...

Tock

1) Is There Anybody Out There?

Hi

I care. :-)

well, not the roll call and quorum check

I'm confused. We've always just moved things back to Experimental.

By fire and by brimstone, I call upon SamWhited.

Good morning everyone!

But I'll leave that up to the Board and Council to decide, I'm just an interloper at this point. ;-)

peter, Well, possibly we have. But according to XEP-0001...

peter: We always have. Our process says we can't, but we always have.

oops, here

Ge0rG, Morning?

OK, full house.

dwd: it's morning in UGT

2) Items for a vote.

I don't *think* we have any, but I confess I didn't do much prep for this meeting as I was on leave yesterday and Monday.

Somebody ought to sort out the Spreadsheet of Doom to determine the actually expired votes and to put them up for re-election

Yes, that's very much on me to do.

dwd: is it also on your todo?

Ge0rG, It's on my to do list to put it on my todo list, yes.

But in the absence of anything to actually vote on:

...to put it on the Agenda.

4) AOB

Wait.

3) AOB

I lost count.

There are Council elections upcoming.

AOB: Decison on number systems to use for counting agendums.

Yes, and currently candidates are... sparse.

AOB: reminder of the currently in progress and not yet expired LC

Actually, the next Council meeting will be after the closing of the Council election candidate submission deadline.

specifically: XEP-0357 (Push Notifications), LC ends: 2018-11-03; https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0357.html XEP-0359 (Unique and Stable Stanza IDs), LC ends: 2018-11-03; https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0359.html

Ge0rG, That;'s a good point. So anyone wishing to stand for next year's Council really should do the Wiki thing and stand soon.

jonas’, Thanks, so noted.

That ... is sparse, yes.

I actually have no idea what happens if Council and/or Board are undermanned - I think Council and Board are empowered to co-opt, at that point. Not something I really want to have to deal with.

What happens if there are not enough candidates? Total breakdown or will we be "volunteered" for another year of service?

It's up-to the number.

From memory.

Although a Council of Just Dave would probably be a bad thing.

it would be Dave and Link Mauve

In any case, do stand if you can, and encourage others to stand.

what about the current council members? nobody wanna re-run except Dave?

I don't think Link Mauve has written an application yet.

I'll volunteer, however I didn't want to just copy last years page.

Kev, Indeed, he technically hasn't actually stood.

Also no stickers nor banners yet.

he strongly intends to

Anyway - AOAOB?

Kev, I started writing one at least.

None here.

OK, so:

N+1) Next Meeting

I’m four full days early!

Link Mauve, why do you always have to keep the suspense up

SBTSBC?

I cannot actually make this time next week; for some reason I've had a meeting plonked on top of it.

WFM

Someone poke me shortly before the deadline if we're still short of candidates and I'll think seriously whether I can afford the time.

So if we do next week, someone else will need to herd the cats.

Kev, *poke*

DST change in US?

Actually, I can't next week either, just realised. I shall be in the car, I think.

Kev, Mobile XMPP?

Don't chat and drive!

Probably unwise while driving, I think.

Or use yaxim with Android Auto.

Kev, Speech to text? "I vote plus one. Shit, you idiot, who taught you to drive."

Anyway, are the remainder happy to meet, or should we skip next week?

When is the last meeting of term?

Not until the week after that, I think?

2018-11-21 I make it.

Week+1 then, works for me.

i’m fine with next week

We have three Wednesdays remaining until the end of the world.

but i can’t do the one after that

Me: "Send: 'I vote plus one'", STT: "We sent: 'I vape Klause for fun'"

so i'd rather not skip next week

OK, let's assume next week is on, then.

So that's 2018-11-07 16:00 UTC.

N+1) Ite, Meeting Est

Thanks all.

Thanks.

Thanks!

"jonas’> Link Mauve, why do you always have to keep the suspense up" haha, this