KevAlex should have added you after the elections.
jonas’haven’t been added, afaict
KevIf you mail me, I'm probably capable of doing the magic.
jonas’I have two things which look like they may be email addresses of yours
jonas’let’s just do IM over email!
jonas’(oh somebody already did ;-))
dwdOh, it's time for a meeting!
KevIt's not IM over email, it's TODO list over email :)
dwd1) Roll Call
KevI'm here. I think.
Link Mauveis here too.
dwdI'm here too. Apologies for last week.
dwd2) Agenda Bashing
jonas’same, I was caught up in house cleaning and totally forgot about day of week and time of day
dwdDid I forget anything?
jonas’I can’t tell, I haven’t seen the agenda
dwdjonas’, Have you not?
Ge0rGprobably we should split 6a (PR #727) into individual LCs for process' sake
jonas’no, I’m not on council@ as we discussed just now
jonas’Kev will take care
jonas’but I’ll just shout in AOB if something is missing or so
dwdOh. Whoops. I normally cc it to standards as well.
Ge0rGalso just bounced the Agenda mail to jonas’, just in case.
dwdMy mistake, anyway.
dwd3) Items for voting:
a) Proposed XMPP Extension: Order-By
This specification allows to change order of items retrieval in a
Pubsub or MAM query
Ge0rGIs that a vote or discussion first?
dwdThat's a vote for adoption, I believe.
Ge0rGI tend to -1, because it's a very specific use case, and it defines two hard-coded properties to order by. A clean approach would allow ordering by any field of the items, using some XSLT magic or something.
jonas’I’m on-list in any case, I want to discuss with goffi a bit, because I’m pretty sure that I’m right about the points I raised ;-)
jonas’Ge0rG, note, it defines properties which live *outside* the items, determined by the server
jonas’it could easily be extended to support XPath or anything like that though
KevI'm not keen on it, but it clears my bar-of-incompetence for Experimental. So +1.
Ge0rGjonas’: yes. But is there any reason not to embed those properties in the items?
dwdGe0rG, Yeah, this is indeed ordering by metadata external to the item payload.
jonas’Ge0rG, yes, the server shalt not modify the items
Ge0rGjonas’: what's wrong with the client adding the respective stamps?
jonas’Ge0rG, goffi doesn’t find that correct (which I disagree with), because it can be "spoofed"
jonas’see the discussion on-list for that
Ge0rGoh, didn't catch-up on that.
Ge0rGSo I'm on-list, with fallback to -1.
jonas’what’s your rationale for your fallback -1?
Ge0rGAt least this needs to be renamed "PubSub MAM retrieval ordered by creation or modification"
Link MauveI’m on list on that, I haven’t caught up with anything yet.
dwdI did notice this applies to MAM, too, but doesn't disucss it, and presumably has quite an impact on RSM, but doesn't mention that.
Link Mauve(I’ll try to get better soon!)
jonas’(OT: Subject: Welcome to the "Council" mailing list. Thanks Kev)
jonas’dwd, it doesn’t have an impact on RSM, it happens before RSM even comes into play.
jonas’although, the server might have to use different identifiers in RSM to make it work with RSM
dwdjonas’, I think that needs mentioning. Or thinking about.
KevIt does have an interaction with RSM, at least. Whether 'impact' or not is up to linguists :)
jonas’dwd, I agree
KevI wouldn't be unhappy to see this have more work on it before it's published, but I couldn't find a reason to veto it using my usual criteria.
jonas’afaict, all except Kev are on-list?
Ge0rGjonas’: my rationale is that it's only adressing a very specific use case, and requires changes to multiple other XEPs, like PubSub (for storing metadata). However, I suppose that's not an appropriate reason for rejecting a proto-XEP
jonas’no, dwd hasn’t said anything yet
dwdYeah, I'll go with +0.
jonas’it doesn’t require changes to XEPs
dwd(Though I reserve the right to change that while others are still on-list).
Ge0rGjonas’: it implies changes to their implementation.
jonas’but those are two different things
jonas’(kinda important when one of the affected XEPs is Draft)
dwdOK, moving on.
dwd4) Outstanding Votes
dwdI don't think we have any, do we? I can't imagine we do anyway.
dwd5) Next Meeting
Ge0rGI can't remember any, but maybe this is the right time to remind about the Spreadsheet of Doom?