XMPP Council - 2019-01-23

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  62. dwd Secretary, list all the polls please
  63. Secretary dwd, I am not sure what you want (what is 'please' supposed to mean?).
  64. dwd Secretary, I shall refrain from politeness now.
  65. Secretary dwd, sorry, I did not understand that.
  66. dwd Secretary, please list all the polls
  67. Secretary dwd, there are 2 open polls Accept "Cryptographic Hash Function Recommendations for XMPP" to Experimental: https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/hash-recommendations.html (due in 1 week, on 2019-02-01) Accept "Some dummy XEP" to Experimental: https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/dummy-recommendations.html (due in 1 week, on 2019-02-01)
  68. jonas’ dwd, I have a patch thing where it parses protoxep, PR and standards@ urls into nicer things, but I don’t think it’s deployed on the server just yet
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  70. dwd jonas’, Sweet. Want to spin it up? I was thinking we'd try it on the meeting this afternoon. I've even managed an agenda.
  71. jonas’ dwd, I’ll do it before the meeting
  72. jonas’ I’ll clear the data once more, since those polls are stale anyways
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  86. jonas’ Secretary, delete poll on some dummy xep
  87. Secretary jonas’, sorry, I do not know which poll you’re referring to
  88. jonas’ Secretary, delete poll on some dummy xep to experimental
  89. Secretary jonas’, deleted poll on Accept "Some dummy XEP" to Experimental: https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/dummy-recommendations.html
  90. dwd My current meeting started 20 minutes late - it's a video call, so I'll be able to chip in, but unless it finishes really early I'm not going to be able to chair - can someone else? (Should be a matter of nipping through the agenda at least).
  91. Kev jonas’: Secretary doesn't do agenda-driving yet, does she?
  92. jonas’ Kev, not yet
  93. Kev K
  94. Kev dwd: I can.
  95. dwd Not sure it's a she either.
  96. dwd Kev, Thanks.
  97. Kev I thought boats were always shes?
  98. dwd :-)
  99. dwd Please don't make me giggle in the middle of a video-call interview.
  100. Kev It was worth it, though.
  101. jonas’ dwd, I can’t promise that
  102. jonas’ I have a gif stashed which made me laugh while I was in a small (<20p) audience of a talk. don’t ask me why I even clicked that link, but it made me realize that in-line display of stuff in chat windows isn’t always a good thing.
  103. jonas’ re agenda: this should be added if possible https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/745#issuecomment-456598472
  104. Kev Isn't that premature without the associated schema updates?
  105. Kev 'tis time.
  106. Kev 1) Who's a bap?
  107. Ge0rG Phew. Just in time
  108. Kev dwd is, I assume, still here?
  109. jonas’ Kev, the schema updates are just editorial work in the end
  110. Kev Link Mauve?
  111. jonas’ we need to figure out whether to NS bump or note
  112. Link Mauve Hi, I’m here but not fully in mind.
  113. jonas’ we need to figure out whether to NS bump or not
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  116. Link Mauve My father had an infarctus last week and I’ve been quite affected.
  117. dwd I am still here. Just.
  118. Kev 3) LC https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0355.html
  119. jonas’ Link Mauve, my condolences.
  120. Link Mauve He’s ok-ish currently, so no worries. :)
  121. Kev No idea what an infarctus is, but oh dear.
  122. jonas’ then hope he gets better then
  123. jonas’ and stays healthy
  124. jonas’ I’m not good at th is :)
  125. jonas’ I’m not good at this :)
  126. Kev I don't see a reason not to LC, so +1.
  127. jonas’ who requested it, if I may ask?
  128. jonas’ or where was it requested?
  129. Kev Dave put it on the Agenda.
  130. Link Mauve infarct* apparently.
  131. jonas’ is this a mixup with the request for LC of XEP-0335 by MattJ?
  132. jonas’ yes it is
  133. jonas’ https://github.com/xsf/xeps/issues/733 the XEP-0355 is from here, but MattJ actually asked for XEP-0335 on the list
  134. Ge0rG Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2019 13:09:28 +0000 From: Matthew Wild <mwild1@gmail.com> To: XMPP Standards <standards@xmpp.org> Subject: [Standards] [XEP-0335] Request for Last Call
  135. jonas’ thanks, Ge0rG
  136. Kev Ok, so cancelling #3 then.
  137. Ge0rG And Dave responded with a link to https://github.com/xsf/xeps/issues/733
  138. Kev 4) https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/743 Add CORS to 156
  139. jonas’ Kev, can we s/355/335/ and have the vote?
  140. Ge0rG Kev: could you treat it as a typo and vote?
  141. jonas’ it should’ve been on last week’s agenda already
  142. Kev I was going to shove it on the end as a new item.
  143. jonas’ ah, that’s fine by me
  144. Kev I'm +1 on #4
  145. Link Mauve Secretary, I’m +1 for #4.
  146. Secretary Link Mauve, sorry, I did not understand that.
  147. jonas’ Secretary, create poll on https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/743
  148. Secretary jonas’, created poll on [PR#743] XEP-0156: Add implementation notes suggesting CORS Expires: 2019-02-06 Tag: PR#743 URL: https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/743 Adding `Access-Control-Allow-Origin: *` header allows web clients hosted on different domains access connection settings for target servers. This change adds similar suggestion that is already present in [XEP-0363 HTTP Upload][0]. See: https://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/standards/2019-January/035645.…
  149. jonas’ !+1
  150. Secretary jonas’, I recorded your vote of +1 on [PR#743] XEP-0156: Add implementation notes suggesting CORS: (no comment)
  151. Link Mauve !+1
  152. Secretary Link Mauve, I recorded your vote of +1 on [PR#743] XEP-0156: Add implementation notes suggesting CORS: (no comment)
  153. Ge0rG I'm on-list, because CORS headers are a Security, and because just allowing * is probably a dumb idea.
  154. Kev Ge0rG: Yes, but for 156 * seems fine to me. I could be wrong.
  155. jonas’ hm, it only says that in an example, but you’re probably right that everyone will be oding the example thing.
  156. jonas’ Kev, if they do it globally on their http host by accident..?
  157. Link Mauve Ge0rG, it doesn’t require *, it says the exact headers and their value are out of scope for this document, but CORS should be considered.
  158. Ge0rG Kev: what jonas’ said
  159. jonas’ although, it says explicitly that it should be done for the metadata files only.
  160. Ge0rG Link Mauve: but the example!
  161. Link Mauve Right. ^^
  162. Link Mauve Access-Control-Allow-Methods should also be added to the example AIUI, with a value of GET.
  163. Kev Moving on, then.
  164. Ge0rG > caption="Example header allowing all sites to read host metadata" I'd make a FAT BOLD warning in that place.
  165. Kev 5) https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0412.html LC (compliance 2019)
  166. Wiktor Ge0rG: what's the risk of exposing metadata through a browser you're thinking of?
  167. Kev I thought this was LCd already, I'm losing track, but +1.
  168. Ge0rG Kev: calling for last-call?
  169. Ge0rG +1
  170. jonas’ +1 on #5
  171. Link Mauve Secretary, create poll on https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0412.html
  172. Secretary Link Mauve, created poll on https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0412.html Expires: 2019-02-06
  173. Ge0rG Wiktor: the risk is of inadvertently setting this header on the whole vhost
  174. jonas’ Link Mauve, LMC that to include that it is about an LC for that XEP
  175. Wiktor Ge0rG: got it
  176. Wiktor That'd be a bad idea indeed :)
  177. Link Mauve Secretary, create poll on last call for https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0412.html
  178. Kev The bot is cute, but can we quit playing with it until it's ready to use, please? It's just flooding the backlog at the moment and making it hard for me to keep track.
  179. Secretary Link Mauve, created poll on last call for https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0412.html Expires: 2019-02-06
  180. Kev At least during meetings.
  181. Link Mauve !+1, we need community input on what should be included for 2019, and advance it asap.
  182. Secretary Link Mauve, sorry, I do not know which poll you mean.
  183. jonas’ Kev, okay, whatever works for you. I was assuming we’re giving it a shot since dwd proposed that, but I guess he’s not the chair now :)
  184. Link Mauve !+1 for last call for https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0412.html, we need community input on what should be included for 2019, and advance it asap.
  185. Secretary Link Mauve, I recorded your vote of +1 on last call for https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0412.html: //xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0412.html, we need community input on what should be included for 2019, and advance it asap.
  186. Link Mauve Oh, : and not ,.
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  188. jonas’ (that should do it for now)
  189. jonas’ so to summarize: +1 on #5 (LC for suites) from me
  190. jonas’ and I change my +1 on #4 to on-list, because what Ge0rG said
  191. Kev Ge0rG?
  192. Ge0rG Kev: +1
  193. Kev 6) LC for https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0292.html (vcard4)
  194. jonas’ +1 on #6
  195. Link Mauve +1 on #6.
  196. Ge0rG +1 on #6, no need to block an LC
  197. Kev This isn't ready to advance, I think, but no objection to an LC. +0
  198. Kev 7) https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0335.html LC
  199. Kev (JSON Containers)
  200. Ge0rG +1 on LC
  201. Link Mauve +1 on #7.
  202. jonas’ +1 on #7
  203. Kev +1
  204. Kev 8) Outstanding votes Anyone want to vote on anything?
  205. Kev I'm +1 on harsh recommendations.
  206. Ge0rG I've changed my vote on the ORDER BY protoXEP to +1
  207. jonas’ I voted +1 on ORDER BY, too, on list
  208. Kev 9) Date of next
  209. Link Mauve Kev, yes, I’d like to vote +1 on ORDER BY and +1 on the spin-off of XEP-0300.
  210. Ge0rG Link Mauve: are you still pending on harsh recommendations?
  211. Ge0rG Ah.
  212. Link Mauve I did review both in the half hour before the meeting, but didn’t send an email yet.
  213. Kev Next week is clashing with summit travel for people, I would assume?
  214. Ge0rG +1W is the night before Summit.
  215. Ge0rG Also somebody was organizing a Sprint.
  216. Kev +2W?
  217. Ge0rG I'm not attending.
  218. Link Mauve It will clash with UX Sprint for me, so +1 for +2W.
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  220. jonas’ I can do either
  221. Ge0rG either +1W or +2W works for me.
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  223. Kev +2W then.
  224. Ge0rG during summit would work as well, but only if we hold it here and not via video
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  226. Kev 10) AOB.
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  228. Ge0rG something-something Carbons?
  229. jonas’ https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/745#issuecomment-456843291 this one?
  230. Ge0rG Technically, the LC of 0410 is over
  231. Link Mauve jonas’, for this one (#745), I’d really like to review the changes I made to this XEP when I became an author, IIRC I did fix this kind of issue.
  232. Kev I need to look at PR#745 in detail to be able to comment on it.
  233. Ge0rG So we could vote on https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/739
  234. Link Mauve So I’m on list anyway.
  235. Kev Ge0rG: Let's shove it on the agenda for the next meeting, then. I'm not a fan of shoving substantive votes under AOB.
  236. jonas’ Kev, +1
  237. Ge0rG Kev: sure thing.
  238. Kev (And the same for 745, really)
  239. dwd is back. My part of the interview was very badly timed.
  240. Kev AOAOB?
  241. Ge0rG AOAOB: let dwd vote really fast :D
  242. dwd I'll vote on list, sorry. But it'll be tonight anyway.
  243. Kev I think we're done, then. Thanks all.
  244. Kev gangs the vabel.
  245. Kev jonas’: Maybe it is ready for use, in which case we should probably train whoever's chairing in how to use it to drive the meeting.
  246. jonas’ Kev, I think for voting it actually is
  247. Kev I find the "Ok, I took your vote" messages more distracting than useful, FWIW, when trying to follow the flow of things.
  248. jonas’ agenda driving is on my list for the next week
  249. jonas’ Kev, a no-message-is-a-good-message approach would probably work too, I need to make sure that when race conditions occur, it is clear on which thing one voted
  250. jonas’ i.e. when somebody creates a poll and you vote with the shorthand, it should be made clear what you voted on
  251. Kev With agenda driving that's probably less of an issue with the appropriate not-completely-shorthand.
  252. Kev e.g. if we always vote with "+1 on (7)" or something.
  253. jonas’ mmm using the number of the agendum as shorthand seems like a good plan :)
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