XMPP Council - 2019-03-20

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15:51:29 Ge0rG I'm sorry for missing last week (I was sick), and I'm sorry for most probably missing this week (just entering a very much delayed workshop so probably won't be able to follow along in here)
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15:58:45 dwd Afternoon all.
15:58:59 jonas’ .
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15:59:16 dwd Ge0rG, No problem. Got some motions to vote on, mind.
15:59:40 dwd Important Announcement: I have Eton Mess fudge, and it's very nice.
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16:00:42 dwd 1) Roll Call
16:01:05 dwd I'm hoping it's not just jonas’ and I.
16:01:16 jonas’ Link Mauve maybe?
16:01:18 dwd Kev, Link Mauve?
16:01:23 jonas’ Kev sent apolgies
16:01:27 jonas’ 00:00:00 Day changed to 2019-03-18 15:31:39 Kev> Sorry, I'm not going to be around for this week again.
16:01:32 Link Mauve Hi, I am here too.
16:01:50 dwd Ah, I didn't see that.
16:02:05 dwd OK, so only three, which is the bare minimum unfortunately.
16:02:36 dwd SO it seem Tedd Sterr even did an agenda this week.
16:02:43 dwd 2) Agenda Bashing
16:03:03 dwd I'm beginning to think Tedd Sterr is like one of those elves which fix shoes in the night.
16:03:11 Link Mauve ^^
16:03:26 Link Mauve He’s done some very good work all this time. :)
16:03:55 dwd Quite.
16:04:48 dwd So anyway, is there anything beyond what he put on the agenda?
16:04:58 jonas’ not to my knowledge
16:05:40 dwd OK.
16:05:47 dwd 3) Items for voting:
16:05:48 Link Mauve Neither to mine.
16:05:59 dwd Let's just go through the motions.
16:06:07 dwd (Chairman joke)
16:06:16 dwd a) Advance to Draft: XEP-0412 XMPP (Compliance Suites 2019) - https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0412.html
16:06:37 jonas’ did we even have an LC?
16:06:48 dwd I confess I've lost track of where this one is myself.
16:06:57 jonas’ we apparently did
16:07:10 dwd I do vaguely remember a rather quiet Last Call.
16:07:16 jonas’ apparently
16:07:28 jonas’ so, for various reasons I currently don’t have the energy to maintain that one anymore
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16:07:45 jonas’ as might’ve been apparent by my silence on-list, but I thought I’d state it for the record here
16:08:06 dwd OK. So we really need to find another volunteer.
16:08:15 jonas’ off-the-record I’d like to mention that it’s partially because of private stuff going on and partially because of the very negative atmosphere around the CS-2019; the combination of which is too draining for me at the moment.
16:08:20 dwd jonas’, Can you ask on the list for a victim/volunteer?
16:08:35 jonas’ I can probably do that
16:08:38 Ge0rG I'd volunteer that for 2019
16:08:52 jonas’ Ge0rG, so you’ll take over '412?
16:08:55 Ge0rG But don't blame me for pushing forward an agenda
16:08:59 dwd jonas’, You know that saying something in a meeting in a logged chatroom is about as on-the-record as you can get, right? :-)
16:09:01 jonas’ I won’t, I promise.
16:09:03 Ge0rG jonas’: yes
16:09:07 jonas’ dwd, "oops"
16:09:21 jonas’ that’s fine by me, we can patch Ge0rG in as the author
16:09:25 dwd jonas’, OK, nobody mention the negative atmosphere.
16:10:17 jonas’ I think there was some discussion around it which I haven’t caught up to, which is why I can’t really vote on advancement right now
16:10:19 dwd ~~I'm going to suggest we don't advance to Draft until Ge0rG has had a change to implement his agenda.~~ ✎
16:10:24 jonas’ that sounds good
16:10:31 dwd I'm going to suggest we don't advance to Draft until Ge0rG has had a chance to implement his agenda. ✏
16:10:39 dwd OK. Moving on, then.
16:10:47 dwd b) Last Call: XEP-0353 (Jingle Message Initiation) - https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0353.html
16:11:08 dwd I'm fine with a Last Call here.
16:11:23 dwd So +1
16:11:26 jonas’ +1
16:11:39 Link Mauve Same, ralphm’s previous team had some comments on it, and Andrew Nenakhov’s team too.
16:11:48 Link Mauve So that’ll make a nice last call at least. :)
16:11:58 dwd I'm actually surprised it wasn't already Draft - it's pretty straightforward and came about as the result of practical experience.
16:12:06 Link Mauve Yeah.
16:12:08 dwd Link Mauve, Also a few of Fippo's contacts.
16:12:21 dwd Link Mauve, That was a +1, right?
16:12:40 dwd 4) Outstanding Votes See latest voting summary: https://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/standards/2019-March/035910.html
16:12:51 Link Mauve Yes, +1.
16:13:33 dwd jonas’, You owe for eax-cir and dox, Link Mauve you owe for eax-cir.
16:13:33 jonas’ I’m -0 on DoX
16:13:55 dwd Ge0rG, Also both if you're around.
16:14:08 jonas’ I came to the conclusion that my own personal distaste for weird things like DoH shouldn’t stand in the way. Technically it’s as sensible as DoH.
16:14:13 Link Mauve I haven’t had the time to review eax-cir yet, I’m still on list.
16:15:36 dwd OK.
16:15:47 dwd 5) Next Meeting
16:15:56 jonas’ +1w wfm
16:17:48 dwd +1
16:17:51 dwd 6) AOB
16:18:18 dwd Anyone?
16:18:21 jonas’ not from me
16:18:38 dwd In that case:
16:18:38 jonas’ Ge0rG, process wise, I suggest you do the changes for '412 and change the author while you’re at it
16:18:51 dwd 7) Ite, Meeting Est.
16:18:56 dwd jonas’, That sounds sensible.
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17:05:58 moparisthebest dwd, re: "Dave: +1 (will be pushing hard for Security Considerations in place about privacy)" when is the proper time to put in a PR about that, now, or after Ge0rG and Kev vote?
17:06:14 dwd moparisthebest, After adoption is fine.
17:06:29 dwd moparisthebest, That is, after it's been published as a XEP is fine.
17:06:48 moparisthebest assuming 1 of them vote +1 I guess :)
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20:12:52 moparisthebest Kev, Ge0rG , not to influence your vote or anything, but a wild DoX prosody module appears https://gist.github.com/wiktor-k/e363d789fd8f062f9613e4de0af3f98d :D
20:17:43 Ge0rG It's not wild if it's not by mwild
20:20:28 moparisthebest wicked?
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23:06:51 dwd moparisthebest, And if nobody votes -1. I can think of reasons for doing so.
23:11:48 moparisthebest dwd: but it has to be a majority +1 right? 2 +1 and 3 0s mean no xep right?
23:12:22 dwd moparisthebest, Yes, you need at least 3 +1's, and also no -1's.
23:16:38 moparisthebest Ok cool thanks
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