XMPP Council - 2019-03-20

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  20. Ge0rG

    I'm sorry for missing last week (I was sick), and I'm sorry for most probably missing this week (just entering a very much delayed workshop so probably won't be able to follow along in here)

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  23. dwd

    Afternoon all.

  24. jonas’


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  26. dwd

    Ge0rG, No problem. Got some motions to vote on, mind.

  27. dwd

    Important Announcement: I have Eton Mess fudge, and it's very nice.

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  29. dwd

    1) Roll Call

  30. dwd

    I'm hoping it's not just jonas’ and I.

  31. jonas’

    Link Mauve maybe?

  32. dwd

    Kev, Link Mauve?

  33. jonas’

    Kev sent apolgies

  34. jonas’

    00:00:00 Day changed to 2019-03-18 15:31:39 Kev> Sorry, I'm not going to be around for this week again.

  35. Link Mauve

    Hi, I am here too.

  36. dwd

    Ah, I didn't see that.

  37. dwd

    OK, so only three, which is the bare minimum unfortunately.

  38. dwd

    SO it seem Tedd Sterr even did an agenda this week.

  39. dwd

    2) Agenda Bashing

  40. dwd

    I'm beginning to think Tedd Sterr is like one of those elves which fix shoes in the night.

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  42. Link Mauve

    He’s done some very good work all this time. :)

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  44. dwd

    So anyway, is there anything beyond what he put on the agenda?

  45. jonas’

    not to my knowledge

  46. dwd


  47. dwd

    3) Items for voting:

  48. Link Mauve

    Neither to mine.

  49. dwd

    Let's just go through the motions.

  50. dwd

    (Chairman joke)

  51. dwd

    a) Advance to Draft: XEP-0412 XMPP (Compliance Suites 2019) - https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0412.html

  52. jonas’

    did we even have an LC?

  53. dwd

    I confess I've lost track of where this one is myself.

  54. jonas’

    we apparently did

  55. dwd

    I do vaguely remember a rather quiet Last Call.

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  57. jonas’

    so, for various reasons I currently don’t have the energy to maintain that one anymore

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  59. jonas’

    as might’ve been apparent by my silence on-list, but I thought I’d state it for the record here

  60. dwd

    OK. So we really need to find another volunteer.

  61. jonas’

    off-the-record I’d like to mention that it’s partially because of private stuff going on and partially because of the very negative atmosphere around the CS-2019; the combination of which is too draining for me at the moment.

  62. dwd

    jonas’, Can you ask on the list for a victim/volunteer?

  63. jonas’

    I can probably do that

  64. Ge0rG

    I'd volunteer that for 2019

  65. jonas’

    Ge0rG, so you’ll take over '412?

  66. Ge0rG

    But don't blame me for pushing forward an agenda

  67. dwd

    jonas’, You know that saying something in a meeting in a logged chatroom is about as on-the-record as you can get, right? :-)

  68. jonas’

    I won’t, I promise.

  69. Ge0rG

    jonas’: yes

  70. jonas’

    dwd, "oops"

  71. jonas’

    that’s fine by me, we can patch Ge0rG in as the author

  72. dwd

    jonas’, OK, nobody mention the negative atmosphere.

  73. jonas’

    I think there was some discussion around it which I haven’t caught up to, which is why I can’t really vote on advancement right now

  74. dwd

    I'm going to suggest we don't advance to Draft until Ge0rG has had a change to implement his agenda.

  75. jonas’

    that sounds good

  76. dwd

    I'm going to suggest we don't advance to Draft until Ge0rG has had a chance to implement his agenda.

  77. dwd

    OK. Moving on, then.

  78. dwd

    b) Last Call: XEP-0353 (Jingle Message Initiation) - https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0353.html

  79. dwd

    I'm fine with a Last Call here.

  80. dwd

    So +1

  81. jonas’


  82. Link Mauve

    Same, ralphm’s previous team had some comments on it, and Andrew Nenakhov’s team too.

  83. Link Mauve

    So that’ll make a nice last call at least. :)

  84. dwd

    I'm actually surprised it wasn't already Draft - it's pretty straightforward and came about as the result of practical experience.

  85. Link Mauve


  86. dwd

    Link Mauve, Also a few of Fippo's contacts.

  87. dwd

    Link Mauve, That was a +1, right?

  88. dwd

    4) Outstanding Votes See latest voting summary: https://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/standards/2019-March/035910.html

  89. Link Mauve

    Yes, +1.

  90. dwd

    jonas’, You owe for eax-cir and dox, Link Mauve you owe for eax-cir.

  91. jonas’

    I’m -0 on DoX

  92. dwd

    Ge0rG, Also both if you're around.

  93. jonas’

    I came to the conclusion that my own personal distaste for weird things like DoH shouldn’t stand in the way. Technically it’s as sensible as DoH.

  94. Link Mauve

    I haven’t had the time to review eax-cir yet, I’m still on list.

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  96. dwd

    5) Next Meeting

  97. jonas’

    +1w wfm

  98. dwd


  99. dwd

    6) AOB

  100. dwd


  101. jonas’

    not from me

  102. dwd

    In that case:

  103. jonas’

    Ge0rG, process wise, I suggest you do the changes for '412 and change the author while you’re at it

  104. dwd

    7) Ite, Meeting Est.

  105. dwd

    jonas’, That sounds sensible.

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  107. moparisthebest

    dwd, re: "Dave: +1 (will be pushing hard for Security Considerations in place about privacy)" when is the proper time to put in a PR about that, now, or after Ge0rG and Kev vote?

  108. dwd

    moparisthebest, After adoption is fine.

  109. dwd

    moparisthebest, That is, after it's been published as a XEP is fine.

  110. moparisthebest

    assuming 1 of them vote +1 I guess :)

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  113. moparisthebest

    Kev, Ge0rG , not to influence your vote or anything, but a wild DoX prosody module appears https://gist.github.com/wiktor-k/e363d789fd8f062f9613e4de0af3f98d :D

  114. Ge0rG

    It's not wild if it's not by mwild

  115. moparisthebest


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  121. dwd

    moparisthebest, And if nobody votes -1. I can think of reasons for doing so.

  122. moparisthebest

    dwd: but it has to be a majority +1 right? 2 +1 and 3 0s mean no xep right?

  123. dwd

    moparisthebest, Yes, you need at least 3 +1's, and also no -1's.

  124. moparisthebest

    Ok cool thanks

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