XMPP Council - 2019-03-27

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  9. Kev Hopefully the last week of silliness, but I'm probably going to be unavailable at Council time again.
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  22. Ge0rG I'm there today, and I'm very sorry for missing the last ones.
  23. dwd Afternoon all - I'm having a catastrophic day, so I'd be very grateful if we could skip this week.
  24. Ge0rG Looks like we are missing two already.
  25. jonas’ I think we should get the vote on '412 started to stop people from flaming to the list
  26. Ge0rG I'd absolutely love to have a formal vote on 0412
  27. Ge0rG even if it's the only agenda item and everybody is on-list
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  29. Ge0rG I'm willing to chair through such a mini-agenda.
  30. jonas’ I’d be very ok with that
  31. dwd Do you have a Link Mauve?
  32. jonas’ he was around in another MUC a minute ago
  33. Link Mauve I am here yes.
  34. Ge0rG There is also ATT in the inbox.
  35. dwd Link Mauve, Opinion?
  36. jonas’ so we have 3/5 and we could get the vote on '412 and that protoxep started
  37. jonas’ with my editor hat on, I’d like to get the protoxep started, too, because it was lingering in the inbox for quite a while
  38. Link Mauve Sounds sensible.
  39. dwd If you guys want to vote on those two, I can go along with that.
  40. Ge0rG dwd: would you like somebody else (me?) to chair that?
  41. dwd Ge0rG, I'll take you up on that, it means I can pay less attention, and I confess my mind is on other things today.
  42. Ge0rG 1) Alright. Welcome everybody, roll call!
  43. jonas’ is here
  44. dwd here (but distracted)
  45. Ge0rG Kev sent apologies. Link Mauve?
  46. Link Mauve Yup.
  47. Ge0rG Awesome.
  48. jonas’ 3.5/5, let’s roll
  49. Ge0rG 2) Agenda Bashing. I've got XEP-0412 for Draft and ATT from inbox
  50. Ge0rG Anything else?
  51. jonas’ there is a needs council PR open
  52. Ge0rG Thanks go to Tedd Sterr, the shoe fixing elf.
  53. jonas’ https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/764
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  55. Ge0rG I'm on a data capped connection, so I'll let that load in the background for now.
  56. jonas’ > XEP-0308: Clarify correcting a message multiple times
  57. Link Mauve Ugh, that’ll break existing clients which correct based on the previous id.
  58. Ge0rG 3a) Item for Vote: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0412.html for Draft
  59. jonas’ Link Mauve, rightfully so!!!
  60. jonas’ I’m +1 on 3a
  61. Link Mauve Ge0rG, +1 for me, your changes are good and we really should move on with that one.
  62. Ge0rG +1 obviously
  63. Ge0rG Alright, let's assume dwd being distracted and on-list and move on.
  64. Ge0rG 3b) Proposal of https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/automatic-trust-transfer.html
  65. Link Mauve On list.
  66. dwd Mea culpa. I am on-list, but I did wonder if we should consider a last call once more given the change of author?
  67. jonas’ on list
  68. dwd (that of 412)
  69. dwd I'm on-list for ATT as well.
  70. Ge0rG dwd: what would be your rationale for that? I can see an LC regarding my content changes, but I'd rather revert those and vote on Draft now, with a later changes-related Council vote then.
  71. Ge0rG On list for ATT.
  72. Ge0rG 3c) https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/764 "XEP-0308: Clarify correcting a message multiple times"
  73. dwd Ge0rG, Mostly in the hope we'd hear at least some useful comments from the standards list, I admit.
  74. jonas’ I’m +1 on 3c
  75. dwd on-list for 3c.
  76. jonas’ it is, in my opinion, the obvious reading of the XEP. I know that others have other obvious readings, but should definitely pick one official obvious reading
  77. Ge0rG -1. The XEP is in dire need of clarification, but the PR does a change into the wrong direction. It's more logical to correct the _last_ message and not the _first_ one, e.g. when fetching partial MUC history.
  78. Link Mauve I’m ±0 on 3c, it will break clients, but the other way will probably break the other set of clients anyway although it seems more logical to me.
  79. Link Mauve Ge0rG, right.
  80. Ge0rG I need some damn good rationale (better than in the XEP change block) to get me convinced.
  81. Ge0rG 4) Outstanding Votes
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  83. Ge0rG Proposed XMPP Extension: E2E Authentication in XMPP: Certificate Issuance and Revocation - https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/eax-cir.html
  84. Ge0rG is expiring today. Not sure if there are still open votes on that
  85. Ge0rG Proposed XMPP Extension: DNS Queries over XMPP (DoX) - https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/dox.html as well
  86. jonas’ I’m still on list :/
  87. jonas’ Link Mauve, do you have an opinion on eax-cir?
  88. Link Mauve 4a I’m still on list too. :x
  89. moparisthebest iirc DoX is only missing a vote from Kev and passes unless he -1's it
  90. jonas’ +1 to eax-cir
  91. Ge0rG did jonas’ change to -0 on DoX?
  92. jonas’ Ge0rG, yes
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  94. Ge0rG looks like eax-cir is going to pass with a slight minority then as well.
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  96. Ge0rG 5) Next Meeting
  97. Link Mauve +1W.
  98. Ge0rG +1W sounds like it works for Kev as well
  99. Ge0rG +1W WFM
  100. Ge0rG Well. Let's just try it and see what happens.
  101. Ge0rG 6) AOB
  102. Link Mauve Yes, I have an AOB for the editors, there are a few linging PRs still marked as Needs Council while our votes are expired, such as https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/747
  103. Link Mauve Please do the needful. :)
  104. Ge0rG Looks like the active subset of our editors just vanished. Let's hope they read the Minutes.
  105. Ge0rG It also never hurts to mention that there is always one more place for volunteer editors.
  106. Link Mauve mathieui, IIRC you were interested.
  107. Ge0rG 6B) AOAOB?
  108. Ge0rG looks like we are done here.
  109. Ge0rG 7) Incomprehensible Latin Words
  110. dwd "Ite, Meeting Est". A paraphrase of the latin Catholic order of service, which is a phrase in such arcane Latin that nobody actually knows its literal meaning.
  111. dwd Also, thanks Ge0rG.
  112. Ge0rG Thanks everyone.
  113. moparisthebest so... who do I have to bribe to publish DoX on monday morning...
  114. Ge0rG moparisthebest: we are looking for volunteer editors!
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  117. SouL You could bribe yourself, how cool is that
  118. Ge0rG moparisthebest: apply today, get approved tomorrow in Board.
  119. moparisthebest hmmmmmm interesting
  120. SouL We made a call for editors not long ago
  121. Ge0rG and hope that iteam will give you the required permissions until then.
  122. pep. "Ge0rG> -1. The XEP is in dire need of clarification, but the PR does a change into the wrong direction. It's more logical to correct the _last_ message and not the _first_ one, e.g. when fetching partial MUC history.", I also think it should be the other way, but tbh I don't mind as long as it's clear. What guarantees do we have that the other way it not going to be vetoed either? :(
  123. jonas’ FWIW, I won’t veto it, that’d be silly, I don’t even maintain an implementation.
  124. jonas’ (yet)
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  126. Link Mauve I wouldn’t veto it either, but it indeed would be much better to get a good rationale for the change, either way it goes.
  127. jonas’ pep., I also think that council is better than getting in a change-veto-loop
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  131. pep. As it was mentioned here, I'd like to see more documentation for what I can do without any rights for the editors. I am soon going to have a bit more time and I hope I can help with that. If it's "you need powers" I'm also happy to be knighted if necessary, assuming I know the things to do
  132. jonas’ "without any rights" not much
  133. jonas’ with github powers you can already do a lot
  134. jonas’ which I also outlined in my mail to members@
  135. pep. jonas’, ok so I need to be knighted in any case if I want in right
  136. jonas’ I think so
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