jonas’flips the rock under which Ge0rG is hiding over to uncover him
dwd1) Who is here?
jonas’I am
Ge0rGHey!
dwdSorry for the late start.
KevI is here.
Ge0rGHow is it late if you stated 5 seconds early?
dwdLink Mauve ?
KevHe won't know the answer to that, surely?
dwdKev, Apparently not.
dwd2) Agenda Tcshing
dwdAnyone got anything more than was already on the agenda?
dwdIf not...
dwd3) Items for votings:
dwda) https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/690
XEP-0184: Make the schema require @id in <received/>
KevI've left a comment there just moments ago.
Kevhttps://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/690/files
dwdAs noted, this is an old PR that's been rejected, but has since been reopened.
jonas’I agree with Kevs comment
Ge0rG+1, ideally including the Kev wording change
jonas’I was confused there too for a second
dwdKev, Is that a veto, but accepting it in advance with that note?
KevI guess technically yes? But really it's "yes, and" rather than "No!".
jonas’I follow Kev on this one
KevI really view it as approval given that Link Mauve would presumably update the text before the end of the voting period :)
KevBut regardless, +1 if that tweak gets merged, -0 otherwise.
dwdOK - so... Votes... Is that everyone with a bizarre conditional +1, then?
Ge0rGBut we'd have to have a new vote after the update
dwdGe0rG, Not if you all veto and change it when Link Mauve updates.
KevGe0rG: I'm not convinced we really do. Nothing says that the change we vote on has to be in github.
dwdKev, This is also true.
Ge0rGdwd: we miss your vote
jonas’I think council can just bring in their own changes anyways
KevA proposed change that we approve being "Link Mauve's change plus Kev's text" can be approved AFAICS.
jonas’so if we say "yeah, we want that change, Editor, do that when you merge" that’s what’s going to happen
dwdGe0rG, Good point. I'm +1 on the change including Kev's proposal.
dwdMoving on...
dwdb) https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/750
XEP-0300: remove content which has been moved to XEP-0414
KevI think events have overtaken this.
jonas’do they?
KevAs an Author already okayed it.
jonas’have they?
dwdHave they?
jonas’ah, that
jonas’probably
dwdIn that case, do we want to consider Last Call - I feel we should probably wait until this is merged.
Ge0rGCan't we make a last call with a bizarre precondition?
jonas’it’s all about bizarre conditions today
dwdGe0rG, Our powers are without limitation, it seems.
dwdBut no, we'll await a merge, I think.
jonas’dwd, I think Board might have a word on that ;)
Ge0rGdwd: we might need an author or a shepherd for the last call.
dwd4) Outstanding Votes
Ge0rGA membership vote is open.
dwdWhen I wrote the agenda, we had none. Now we have one from Link Mauve...
dwd5) AOB
dwdNo, wait.
dwd5) Next Meeting
dwd2019-05-29 OK for everyone?
Ge0rGMost probably yes
jonas’you’re making me do arithmetics in my head
jonas’I don’t like that
KevI don't immediately have a problem with it :)
jonas’wfm
dwd6) AOB
jonas’none from me
KevNope.
dwdI do, vaguely - does anyone have pointers to the "Inbox" discussions from the various summits?
Ge0rGI don't have any breaking changes to XEPs to offer on short notice.
jonas’I’d expect Kev to have some
jonas’but surely we have minutes?
dwdI ask because I'm considering knocking out a candidate design, and I'm curious to see how it matches what has been discussed.
jonas’there’s something on smart mam here which might relate slightly to that: https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Minutes_of_the_2019_Summit:_Day_one
dwdBut no matter, I'm sure I can probably find the minutes etc.
KevI don't have pointers to them, but I have considerable interest in the area, and also opinions ;)
dwdKev, Opinions? How unlike you.
KevIn as much as I think it can be driven pretty much entirely through smart use of the archive currently referred to as MAM.
jonas’dwd, there’s also this: https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Minutes_of_the_2018_Summit:_Day_one#1.4_Inbox_.28Open_Chats.29
dwdKev, I agree up to a point.
dwdjonas’, Thanks.
Kevdwd: I'm up for a quick chat about it, at least. Before or after a strawman or more appears.
Ge0rGI remember a discussion in Düsseldorf that resulted in the realization that just using MAM, smartly or not, is not sufficient.
KevNo, MAM is not sufficient.
dwdKev, Cool, I'll organise a timeslot.
KevBut I think it makes sense to be using data heavily tied to the archive that is currently presented over MAM.
jonas’I’d like to at least listen in to those discussions
dwdKev, Yes, with you there.
dwdjonas’, I'll organise a timeslot with a chatroom attached.
jonas’that sounds great
jonas’unless it’s a webex ;)
dwdjonas’, Oh, you want video too?
jonas’nooo
jonas’doesn’t work anyways
dwd(I';m actually fine with that, but...)
Ge0rGIt MUST be using XMPP. No Experimental XEPs, though.
dwdGe0rG, :-)
KevI was assuming video, because bandwidth.
dwdRight, anyway, I think we're drifting into:
KevThanks all.
dwd7) Ite, Meeting Est.
jonas’I don’t like the acausality of today’s meeting.
jonas’thanks, dwd & all
dwdjonas’, Cause and effect, but not necessarily in that order.
Ge0rGjonas’: I'm pretty sure that people haven't yet digested the fallout of the preceding meetings, that resulted in a peak of editor activity recently.
jonas’for certain definitions of "recently"
jonas’I did most of the stuff last week and simply forget to send the emails :-X
Ge0rGjonas’: I'm sure that all the people who are using website change notification services to watch for XEP changes noticed.
XMPP Council - 2019-05-22