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Ge0rG
looks around, then hides under a large rock
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dwd
has seen.
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jonas’
too
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dwd
OK.
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jonas’
ok?
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jonas’
itym OOK.
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dwd
It's meeting time, is what I actually meant.
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jonas’
now it is
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Kev
Except it wasn't.
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Kev
But now is.
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jonas’
there we go
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jonas’
flips the rock under which Ge0rG is hiding over to uncover him
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dwd
1) Who is here?
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jonas’
I am
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Ge0rG
Hey!
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dwd
Sorry for the late start.
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Kev
I is here.
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Ge0rG
How is it late if you stated 5 seconds early?
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dwd
Link Mauve ?
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Kev
He won't know the answer to that, surely?
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dwd
Kev, Apparently not.
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dwd
2) Agenda Tcshing
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dwd
Anyone got anything more than was already on the agenda?
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dwd
If not...
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dwd
3) Items for votings:
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dwd
a) https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/690
XEP-0184: Make the schema require @id in <received/>
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Kev
I've left a comment there just moments ago.
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Kev
https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/690/files
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dwd
As noted, this is an old PR that's been rejected, but has since been reopened.
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jonas’
I agree with Kevs comment
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Ge0rG
+1, ideally including the Kev wording change
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jonas’
I was confused there too for a second
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dwd
Kev, Is that a veto, but accepting it in advance with that note?
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Kev
I guess technically yes? But really it's "yes, and" rather than "No!".
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jonas’
I follow Kev on this one
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Kev
I really view it as approval given that Link Mauve would presumably update the text before the end of the voting period :)
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Kev
But regardless, +1 if that tweak gets merged, -0 otherwise.
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dwd
OK - so... Votes... Is that everyone with a bizarre conditional +1, then?
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Ge0rG
But we'd have to have a new vote after the update
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dwd
Ge0rG, Not if you all veto and change it when Link Mauve updates.
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Kev
Ge0rG: I'm not convinced we really do. Nothing says that the change we vote on has to be in github.
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dwd
Kev, This is also true.
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Ge0rG
dwd: we miss your vote
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jonas’
I think council can just bring in their own changes anyways
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Kev
A proposed change that we approve being "Link Mauve's change plus Kev's text" can be approved AFAICS.
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jonas’
so if we say "yeah, we want that change, Editor, do that when you merge" that’s what’s going to happen
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dwd
Ge0rG, Good point. I'm +1 on the change including Kev's proposal.
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dwd
Moving on...
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dwd
b) https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/750
XEP-0300: remove content which has been moved to XEP-0414
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Kev
I think events have overtaken this.
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jonas’
do they? ✎
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Kev
As an Author already okayed it.
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jonas’
have they? ✏
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dwd
Have they?
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jonas’
ah, that
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jonas’
probably
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dwd
In that case, do we want to consider Last Call - I feel we should probably wait until this is merged.
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Ge0rG
Can't we make a last call with a bizarre precondition?
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jonas’
it’s all about bizarre conditions today
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dwd
Ge0rG, Our powers are without limitation, it seems.
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dwd
But no, we'll await a merge, I think.
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jonas’
dwd, I think Board might have a word on that ;)
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Ge0rG
dwd: we might need an author or a shepherd for the last call.
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dwd
4) Outstanding Votes
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Ge0rG
A membership vote is open.
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dwd
When I wrote the agenda, we had none. Now we have one from Link Mauve...
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dwd
5) AOB
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dwd
No, wait.
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dwd
5) Next Meeting
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dwd
2019-05-29 OK for everyone?
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Ge0rG
Most probably yes
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jonas’
you’re making me do arithmetics in my head
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jonas’
I don’t like that
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Kev
I don't immediately have a problem with it :)
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jonas’
wfm
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dwd
6) AOB
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jonas’
none from me
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Kev
Nope.
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dwd
I do, vaguely - does anyone have pointers to the "Inbox" discussions from the various summits?
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Ge0rG
I don't have any breaking changes to XEPs to offer on short notice.
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jonas’
I’d expect Kev to have some
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jonas’
but surely we have minutes?
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dwd
I ask because I'm considering knocking out a candidate design, and I'm curious to see how it matches what has been discussed.
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jonas’
there’s something on smart mam here which might relate slightly to that: https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Minutes_of_the_2019_Summit:_Day_one
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dwd
But no matter, I'm sure I can probably find the minutes etc.
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Kev
I don't have pointers to them, but I have considerable interest in the area, and also opinions ;)
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dwd
Kev, Opinions? How unlike you.
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Kev
In as much as I think it can be driven pretty much entirely through smart use of the archive currently referred to as MAM.
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jonas’
dwd, there’s also this: https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Minutes_of_the_2018_Summit:_Day_one#1.4_Inbox_.28Open_Chats.29
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dwd
Kev, I agree up to a point.
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dwd
jonas’, Thanks.
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Kev
dwd: I'm up for a quick chat about it, at least. Before or after a strawman or more appears.
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Ge0rG
I remember a discussion in Düsseldorf that resulted in the realization that just using MAM, smartly or not, is not sufficient.
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Kev
No, MAM is not sufficient.
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dwd
Kev, Cool, I'll organise a timeslot.
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Kev
But I think it makes sense to be using data heavily tied to the archive that is currently presented over MAM.
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jonas’
I’d like to at least listen in to those discussions
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dwd
Kev, Yes, with you there.
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dwd
jonas’, I'll organise a timeslot with a chatroom attached.
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jonas’
that sounds great
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jonas’
unless it’s a webex ;)
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dwd
jonas’, Oh, you want video too?
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jonas’
nooo
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jonas’
doesn’t work anyways
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dwd
(I';m actually fine with that, but...)
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Ge0rG
It MUST be using XMPP. No Experimental XEPs, though.
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dwd
Ge0rG, :-)
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Kev
I was assuming video, because bandwidth.
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dwd
Right, anyway, I think we're drifting into:
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Kev
Thanks all.
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dwd
7) Ite, Meeting Est.
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jonas’
I don’t like the acausality of today’s meeting.
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jonas’
thanks, dwd & all
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dwd
jonas’, Cause and effect, but not necessarily in that order.
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Ge0rG
jonas’: I'm pretty sure that people haven't yet digested the fallout of the preceding meetings, that resulted in a peak of editor activity recently.
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jonas’
for certain definitions of "recently"
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jonas’
I did most of the stuff last week and simply forget to send the emails :-X
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Ge0rG
jonas’: I'm sure that all the people who are using website change notification services to watch for XEP changes noticed.
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