XMPP Council - 2019-10-02

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  12. jonas’

    heads up, I’ll have a hard deadline on 15:30 UTC

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  21. jonas’

    Ge0rG, Kev, Link Mauve, dwd (?)

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  23. dwd

    I'm only vaguely around (in an IETF MLS WG Interim)

  24. Link Mauve

    Hi, I’m here.

  25. jonas’

    can we count dwd for quorum?

  26. Ge0rG is roughly there

  27. jonas’

    that’s 0.5 + 0.5 + 1.0 + 1.0, so I guess it’s quorum

  28. jonas’

    if nobody objects I’ll take the chair

  29. Ge0rG

    sit down, please

  30. Link Mauve agrees.

  31. jonas’


  32. jonas’

    let’s begin

  33. jonas’

    1) Roll Call

  34. dwd

    You can't count me for Quorum I'm afraid, I'm only here to track, not to participate.

  35. Ge0rG fully materializes

  36. jonas’

    Link Mauve still there?

  37. Link Mauve

    Yes of course.

  38. jonas’


  39. jonas’

    2) Agenda Bashing

  40. jonas’

    Tedd was so kind to post an agenda.

  41. jonas’

    A quick check hasn’t revealed anything he’s missed, which would mean no items for a vote.

  42. jonas’

    Does anyone disagree?

  43. Ge0rG


  44. dwd

    JC said his docs were ready, but they've not been announced by the Editor.

  45. jonas’

    did I forget to send an email?

  46. dwd

    If you didn't, then his docs - retraction? - are due a vote.

  47. jonas’

    ah, someone else than me merged them

  48. Kev

    Sorry, here now. One of those days.

  49. jonas’

    and something is off about them, I’ll have to check closely, cannot do it right now.

  50. jonas’

    there’s this: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Message Moderation

  51. jonas’

    that has been announced after the previous meeting

  52. jonas’

    so I’ll add it to the agenda

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  54. jonas’

    3) Items for a vote

  55. jonas’

    3a) Proposed XMPP Extension: Message Moderation

  56. jonas’


  57. jonas’

    (this is incorrectly marked as Experimental, which is also why things break in my tooling)

  58. jonas’

    I haven’t looked at all into it yet, so on-list.

  59. Link Mauve

    Me neither, so on list.

  60. Ge0rG

    on-list it is

  61. jonas’

    Kev, dwd?

  62. Link Mauve

    jonas’, neither of them are here.

  63. Kev


  64. Link Mauve


  65. jonas’

    Link Mauve, kev said he is :)

  66. Kev

    I hadn't even noticed the announcement.

  67. Link Mauve

    Oh, I missed Kev’s message. :D

  68. Kev

    Bad me.

  69. jonas’

    okay, going to skip dave

  70. jonas’

    AFAIK those are all items we have for a vote

  71. jonas’

    4) Activiyt Summary

  72. Ge0rG

    did anything time out?

  73. jonas’

    There have been updates to XEPs according to Tedd: Updated: XEP-0060 (Publish-Subscribe), and XEP-0280 (Message Carbons) New: XEP-0422 (Message Fastening), and XEP-0423 (XMPP Compliance Suites 2020)

  74. jonas’

    5) Outstanding Votes

  75. jonas’

    PR #824 https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/824

  76. jonas’

    everyone is on-list, so we’re all to blame

  77. jonas’

    Proposed XMPP Extension: Authorization Tokens - https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/auth-tokens.html is missing votes by Ge0rG, Link Mauve and me (and Kev who defaults to -1)

  78. jonas’

    does anyone want to cast votes now?

  79. jonas’

    (they are not expiring until next week)

  80. Link Mauve

    Still on list for me, I haven’t had the time to look at it in Sweden.

  81. jonas’


  82. Ge0rG

    still on-list

  83. jonas’

    moving on

  84. jonas’

    6) Date of Next

  85. jonas’

    +1w wfm

  86. Ge0rG

    I have a travel day in +1W, but I hope to not be moving and be available at Meeting Time

  87. jonas’


  88. pep.

    I'll send a note for the agenda next time I publish a XEP sorry

  89. pep.


  90. jonas’

    Link Mauve, Kev?

  91. Link Mauve

    I shouldn’t have any issue on that day.

  92. jonas’

    moving on for the sake of having a few minutes for AOB

  93. jonas’

    7) AOB

  94. jonas’

    (I don’t have any)

  95. jonas’

    oh, I do

  96. Ge0rG

    I have a bag of AOBs

  97. jonas’

    wanted to note that I had a meeting with MattJ regarding the registries

  98. Ge0rG

    Tell us more!

  99. jonas’

    we have figured out a way forward, I just need to collect the motivation to do it

  100. jonas’

    it’ll be similar to the xeps repository with docker and whatnot

  101. jonas’

    I’ll try to get around to do this the next few days, I was mostly busy with search.jabber.network in the past week

  102. jonas’

    end of my AOB

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  104. jonas’

    (with a friendly reminder of my hard deadline at 15:30Z)

  105. Ge0rG

    I am still seeking inputs for CS-2020

  106. Ge0rG

    I know that Council technically is required to contribute, but it would be great nevertheless

  107. jonas’

    (is there a "not" missing in that sentence? ;) )

  108. Ge0rG

    I am still seeking responses to the "Persisting Message Errors" thread

  109. Ge0rG

    jonas’: yes

  110. jonas’

    Ge0rG, can you summarize real quick what’s missing for CS-2020?

  111. Ge0rG

    jonas’: new XEPs to mandate; a better intro text; real content for the Future section

  112. jonas’


  113. Ge0rG detected that it's missing XEP-0245, which we should mandate for basic IM

  114. jonas’

    I’ll have to look at the draft to reply to this

  115. jonas’

    which I can’t reasonably do right now

  116. Ge0rG

    XEP-0286 makes *some* sense for Mobile.

  117. Ge0rG

    jonas’: you could provide opinion on whether XEP-0300 should be somewhere in the CS

  118. jonas’

    given that time is pressing on this matter, I suggest that all council members will take a look at CS-2020 material give Ge0rG the input he needs.

  119. jonas’

    Ge0rG, I don’t think that XEP-0300 on its own makes sense to have in CS. It’s a building block for other XEPs.

  120. Ge0rG

    jonas’: great!

  121. Ge0rG removes 0300 from his todo list

  122. jonas’

    any remaining AOB which fits in the next 5min?

  123. Ge0rG


  124. Ge0rG

    Oh, wait.

  125. jonas’

    okay. sorry for that.

  126. jonas’

    8) Ite Meeting Est

  127. jonas’

    thanks all

  128. jonas’

    sorry for rushing it a bit

  129. Ge0rG

    I want to make CS2020 active before the Christmas holidays.

  130. Ge0rG

    Not sure whether to make it the last vote in current council or the first vote in 2020 council

  131. dwd

    jonas’, Thanks!

  132. Kev

    Thanks all.

  133. Kev

    Sorry I'm both busy today, and ill, again.

  134. dwd

    Ge0rG, I'd aim for this one, if we can.

  135. Kev

    I'll be back on normal noisy form at some point.

  136. Ge0rG

    dwd: Council election is on 2019-11-21, which means we have to vote on November 6th latest, to not get problems from expiring Council members.

  137. jonas’

    Kev, get better soon :)

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  139. Kev

    Ta. It's just a cold, which I thought I was over and then went for a run today and the cold decided it Would Not Go Quietly Into The Night, so now ... you don't need details.

  140. jonas’

    fun, I have a similar story sitting next to me on the sofa. so yeah.

  141. jcbrand

    Hi, I'd just like to mention that the message retractions protoXEP was announced something like 2 or 3 years ago, so you wouldn't have noticed that recently. The message moderation protoXEP *was* announced last week.

  142. Kev

    "I didn't notice" doesn't imply the needful wasn't done.

  143. jcbrand

    Yep, just clarifying

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