XMPP Council - 2019-10-02

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  12. jonas’ heads up, I’ll have a hard deadline on 15:30 UTC
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  20. jonas’ anyone?
  21. jonas’ Ge0rG, Kev, Link Mauve, dwd (?)
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  23. dwd I'm only vaguely around (in an IETF MLS WG Interim)
  24. Link Mauve Hi, I’m here.
  25. jonas’ can we count dwd for quorum?
  26. Ge0rG is roughly there
  27. jonas’ that’s 0.5 + 0.5 + 1.0 + 1.0, so I guess it’s quorum
  28. jonas’ if nobody objects I’ll take the chair
  29. Ge0rG sit down, please
  30. Link Mauve agrees.
  31. jonas’ right
  32. jonas’ let’s begin
  33. jonas’ 1) Roll Call
  34. dwd You can't count me for Quorum I'm afraid, I'm only here to track, not to participate.
  35. Ge0rG fully materializes
  36. jonas’ Link Mauve still there?
  37. Link Mauve Yes of course.
  38. jonas’ good
  39. jonas’ 2) Agenda Bashing
  40. jonas’ Tedd was so kind to post an agenda.
  41. jonas’ A quick check hasn’t revealed anything he’s missed, which would mean no items for a vote.
  42. jonas’ Does anyone disagree?
  43. Ge0rG No
  44. dwd JC said his docs were ready, but they've not been announced by the Editor.
  45. jonas’ did I forget to send an email?
  46. dwd If you didn't, then his docs - retraction? - are due a vote.
  47. jonas’ ah, someone else than me merged them
  48. Kev Sorry, here now. One of those days.
  49. jonas’ and something is off about them, I’ll have to check closely, cannot do it right now.
  50. jonas’ there’s this: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Message Moderation
  51. jonas’ that has been announced after the previous meeting
  52. jonas’ so I’ll add it to the agenda
  53. jonas’ anyways
  54. jonas’ 3) Items for a vote
  55. jonas’ 3a) Proposed XMPP Extension: Message Moderation
  56. jonas’ https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/message-moderation.html
  57. jonas’ (this is incorrectly marked as Experimental, which is also why things break in my tooling)
  58. jonas’ I haven’t looked at all into it yet, so on-list.
  59. Link Mauve Me neither, so on list.
  60. Ge0rG on-list it is
  61. jonas’ Kev, dwd?
  62. Link Mauve jonas’, neither of them are here.
  63. Kev On-list.
  64. Link Mauve Oh?
  65. jonas’ Link Mauve, kev said he is :)
  66. Kev I hadn't even noticed the announcement.
  67. Link Mauve Oh, I missed Kev’s message. :D
  68. Kev Bad me.
  69. jonas’ okay, going to skip dave
  70. jonas’ AFAIK those are all items we have for a vote
  71. jonas’ 4) Activiyt Summary
  72. Ge0rG did anything time out?
  73. jonas’ There have been updates to XEPs according to Tedd: Updated: XEP-0060 (Publish-Subscribe), and XEP-0280 (Message Carbons) New: XEP-0422 (Message Fastening), and XEP-0423 (XMPP Compliance Suites 2020)
  74. jonas’ 5) Outstanding Votes
  75. jonas’ PR #824 https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/824
  76. jonas’ everyone is on-list, so we’re all to blame
  77. jonas’ Proposed XMPP Extension: Authorization Tokens - https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/auth-tokens.html is missing votes by Ge0rG, Link Mauve and me (and Kev who defaults to -1)
  78. jonas’ does anyone want to cast votes now?
  79. jonas’ (they are not expiring until next week)
  80. Link Mauve Still on list for me, I haven’t had the time to look at it in Sweden.
  81. jonas’ understandable
  82. Ge0rG still on-list
  83. jonas’ moving on
  84. jonas’ 6) Date of Next
  85. jonas’ +1w wfm
  86. Ge0rG I have a travel day in +1W, but I hope to not be moving and be available at Meeting Time
  87. jonas’ noted
  88. pep. I'll send a note for the agenda next time I publish a XEP sorry
  89. pep. /merge
  90. jonas’ Link Mauve, Kev?
  91. Link Mauve I shouldn’t have any issue on that day.
  92. jonas’ moving on for the sake of having a few minutes for AOB
  93. jonas’ 7) AOB
  94. jonas’ (I don’t have any)
  95. jonas’ oh, I do
  96. Ge0rG I have a bag of AOBs
  97. jonas’ wanted to note that I had a meeting with MattJ regarding the registries
  98. Ge0rG Tell us more!
  99. jonas’ we have figured out a way forward, I just need to collect the motivation to do it
  100. jonas’ it’ll be similar to the xeps repository with docker and whatnot
  101. jonas’ I’ll try to get around to do this the next few days, I was mostly busy with search.jabber.network in the past week
  102. jonas’ end of my AOB
  103. jonas’ hands the mic to Ge0rG
  104. jonas’ (with a friendly reminder of my hard deadline at 15:30Z)
  105. Ge0rG I am still seeking inputs for CS-2020
  106. Ge0rG I know that Council technically is required to contribute, but it would be great nevertheless
  107. jonas’ (is there a "not" missing in that sentence? ;) )
  108. Ge0rG I am still seeking responses to the "Persisting Message Errors" thread
  109. Ge0rG jonas’: yes
  110. jonas’ Ge0rG, can you summarize real quick what’s missing for CS-2020?
  111. Ge0rG jonas’: new XEPs to mandate; a better intro text; real content for the Future section
  112. jonas’ right
  113. Ge0rG detected that it's missing XEP-0245, which we should mandate for basic IM
  114. jonas’ I’ll have to look at the draft to reply to this
  115. jonas’ which I can’t reasonably do right now
  116. Ge0rG XEP-0286 makes *some* sense for Mobile.
  117. Ge0rG jonas’: you could provide opinion on whether XEP-0300 should be somewhere in the CS
  118. jonas’ given that time is pressing on this matter, I suggest that all council members will take a look at CS-2020 material give Ge0rG the input he needs.
  119. jonas’ Ge0rG, I don’t think that XEP-0300 on its own makes sense to have in CS. It’s a building block for other XEPs.
  120. Ge0rG jonas’: great!
  121. Ge0rG removes 0300 from his todo list
  122. jonas’ any remaining AOB which fits in the next 5min?
  123. Ge0rG No.
  124. Ge0rG Oh, wait.
  125. jonas’ okay. sorry for that.
  126. jonas’ 8) Ite Meeting Est
  127. jonas’ thanks all
  128. jonas’ sorry for rushing it a bit
  129. Ge0rG I want to make CS2020 active before the Christmas holidays.
  130. Ge0rG Not sure whether to make it the last vote in current council or the first vote in 2020 council
  131. dwd jonas’, Thanks!
  132. Kev Thanks all.
  133. Kev Sorry I'm both busy today, and ill, again.
  134. dwd Ge0rG, I'd aim for this one, if we can.
  135. Kev I'll be back on normal noisy form at some point.
  136. Ge0rG dwd: Council election is on 2019-11-21, which means we have to vote on November 6th latest, to not get problems from expiring Council members.
  137. jonas’ Kev, get better soon :)
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  139. Kev Ta. It's just a cold, which I thought I was over and then went for a run today and the cold decided it Would Not Go Quietly Into The Night, so now ... you don't need details.
  140. jonas’ fun, I have a similar story sitting next to me on the sofa. so yeah.
  141. jcbrand Hi, I'd just like to mention that the message retractions protoXEP was announced something like 2 or 3 years ago, so you wouldn't have noticed that recently. The message moderation protoXEP *was* announced last week.
  142. Kev "I didn't notice" doesn't imply the needful wasn't done.
  143. jcbrand Yep, just clarifying
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